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The Vivre cards state that ACoC is an order or magnitude increase, so shouldn't it be 10 times, instead of 8.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Idk, can you link the source?
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If you can get it officially translated by the proper members on site then there's a good argument to implement it, as long as "order of magnitude" is consistent.
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The text uses Keta Chigai which means an order of magnitude so it should be applicable as long as the source is accepted.
But another thing is in the text it also says its an order of magnitude when compared to only using Armament, and if I understand that correctly it would mean that its an order of magnitude OVER the armament amp.
So if base Luffy is 10 for example, and armament is 2x or 20, then Acoc would be 10 times higher than the armament figure and not his base or 10*20=200.
Need others input to see if this was already rejected before or something.
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it's from the one piece magazine btw
This is true, says it can mean 10 x difference or 100x
Could be right but we need a good translation to grasp what it fully means... It could be saying that it's amps orders of magnitude compared to armament Haki alone
But the most likely interpretation is that it amplifies techniques orders of magnitude greater than armament Haki's amplifier
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Well, we don't really scale Armamentless Luffy, so ACoC would just get a minor increase realistically.
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My bad I got my sources mixed up xdd
It can but 10x would be the minimum for that so thats why I said it. And its not even limited to 100x, it could be 1 million or 1 billion, the floor is only 10x.This is true, says it can mean 10 x difference or 100x
True we need someone to translate it/verify it, but it would still mean you can stack ACOA and ACOC in both cases. So if ACOA is for example 5x and ACOC is 10x, then we can say its 50x using both unless Im missing something.
Why dont I see Kachons post even tho I read it yesterday on my phone. Thats hella weird.
But he mentioned that it could only be used as supporting evidence instead of primary and I was thinking if we could use the fact that Geared Armament attacks were still too shallow for Dragon Kaido while post ACoC base Luffy seemed to be doing way more damage to Hybrid Kaido as justification.
Also I dont know either where the 8x multiplier we currently have is from, but considering its near the same realm, it seems like we should just take the secondary material instead of making numbers up completely. Seems more reliable but I dont know the initial reasoning.
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It would be a minor increase but I just assumed back scaling like if Armament Luffy is X then base luffy is X/whatever the armament multiplier is.
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1 thing tho, is orders of magnitude > order of magnitude?
meaning it would be at least 100x or do they mean the same?
Based on AI it seems to most likely be at least 2 orders of magnitude = 100x
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The Japanese word does not differentiate, it just means a difference in digits.
So if the official english translation uses orders vs order, then you can make that argument otherwise the for the Japanese you would have to go with at least 1 order of magnitude.
But if they did say it someway to imply orders than yes, it would be 100x at least.
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I would love to use orders but realistically it will not be accepted based on the word itself.Yee, AI has been saying that it does imply that
It could be either or, but good luck arguing anything more than 10x here xddd. You'll get crucified.
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W One Peak
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The 2nd Global ONE PIECE Character Popularity Contest
The 2nd Global Popularity Poll is open, where fans around the world choose their No.1 from a total of 1,567 characters!!!
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Voted Luffy 
+ Oda making history, anyone gonna go search for the One Piece secret? 
+ Oda making history, anyone gonna go search for the One Piece secret? 
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One Piece: Verse Page Profiles Pt. 2
Continuation of this. With the new addition of profiles and the massive increase of characters from new arcs, plus the effort to remove certain images and implement new ones, the verse page looks a little messy. But then this came out, and it has perfect images for everybody on the wiki and...
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Hello, I'm currently working on a sandbox for the Devil Fruits page to properly link and list out the abilities they give since I think the current Devil Fruits page is a little dated, so I was hoping if maybe someone could look it over before I start linking things. I did my best to double check the current profiles on here and list the abilities on the profiles that are relevant to DFs specifically, but I'm also including fruits that don't have character profiles on here
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:IbukiDoujisGiantTail/Devil_Fruits_(Sandbox)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:IbukiDoujisGiantTail/Devil_Fruits_(Sandbox)
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I have something pretty similar that you can use as a model. Though this lists out devil fruit abilities for the sake of Haki resistances.
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Thanks! I wanted to focus more on just listing out the abilities that DFs grant, and to avoid any confusion on how the abilities work I also listed out the individual users as well with a short description so that there's no confusion
In case it's not obvious im pretty new to html editing so the sandbox is a little simple lol
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The 2nd Global ONE PIECE Character Popularity Contest
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Absolute W choice, haven't fully experienced his story yet but from what I've seen, he's easily become one of my favorites
Also btw the winner of the popularity poll will get a new illustration drawn by Oda, which is cool
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One Piece: Verse Page Profiles Pt. 2
Continuation of this. With the new addition of profiles and the massive increase of characters from new arcs, plus the effort to remove certain images and implement new ones, the verse page looks a little messy. But then this came out, and it has perfect images for everybody on the wiki and...
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So anyone think that recent sbs implied Yamato joins the crew sooner or later?
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What did it say?
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What did it say?
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Yamato cutting out that Oden shit kept em alive
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currently voted for Luffy, Zoro, Kuma and Boa
Might vote Roger, Wb or Shanks next and then some more Luffy, most likely If Luffy wins, he'll draw him in Gear 5 or a possible Pirate king type fit maybe
Might vote Roger, Wb or Shanks next
and then some more Luffy, most likely If Luffy wins, he'll draw him in Gear 5 or a possible Pirate king type fit maybe 
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SBS for volume 114. Interesting information about Gecko Moria there.
Always funny to see that Oda’s still the gooner he’s been since the start of the series lol.
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SBS for volume 114. Interesting information about Gecko Moria there.
Oda wasted the entirety of Wano to talk about the scabbards but the main plotline of the first dude to mention Kaidou got ignored
I hate Oda
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Is this an AM-level hate?
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idk who this is but yes.
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Speaking of Kaido I find it funny how he got hyped for over a decade (if I recall correctly) and then two arcs later a character who's basically just a far, far better version of him was introduced and mogged him immediately.
As for this, I'm going to hope Oda reveals that:
Moria killed Gil Bastar
And Crocodile killed Ganzui
I know that the characters don't know how to steal a fruit from someone like Blackbeard and Big Mom did (at least, nothing suggests that they do?), but there has to have been examples of characters getting extremely lucky and having the fruit of someone they just killed spawn very close to them. It happened with Caesar's pet in Punk Hazard, after all, and it at least would make sense for Moria since he has Gil Bastar's corpse (and it's in pretty good condition for the most part) and Perona just happens to have his fruit as well.
Crocodile killing Ganzui has a high chance of not happening, but, I just personally would like it if both of those were true. It gives the Warlords a lot of hype if they could kill veteran Rocks Pirates (that aren't too strong and notorious like Big Mom or Shiki) and Crocodile killing Ganzui can tie into him being attacked by Whitebeard.
SBS for volume 114. Interesting information about Gecko Moria there.
As for this, I'm going to hope Oda reveals that:
Moria killed Gil Bastar
And Crocodile killed Ganzui
I know that the characters don't know how to steal a fruit from someone like Blackbeard and Big Mom did (at least, nothing suggests that they do?), but there has to have been examples of characters getting extremely lucky and having the fruit of someone they just killed spawn very close to them. It happened with Caesar's pet in Punk Hazard, after all, and it at least would make sense for Moria since he has Gil Bastar's corpse (and it's in pretty good condition for the most part) and Perona just happens to have his fruit as well.
Crocodile killing Ganzui has a high chance of not happening, but, I just personally would like it if both of those were true. It gives the Warlords a lot of hype if they could kill veteran Rocks Pirates (that aren't too strong and notorious like Big Mom or Shiki) and Crocodile killing Ganzui can tie into him being attacked by Whitebeard.
