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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

I wonder if there's just no proper archived comments from Sonic fans or influencers and this causes the fanbase to never be up to date with statements in a lasting manner.
I was honestly thinking a bit of it must come from willful ignorance, but that is also a plausible idea. It doesn't seem like there are many "archivers" for the Sonic fandom like you see in certain others (such as Dragon Ball).
 
It's surprising finding out that, among Tier 2 characters, Sonic has quite a lot of feats done in base form:
  • defeating Erazor Dijin;
  • surviving his cosmology getting nuked out of existence;
  • affecting entire timelines with sheer speed;
  • defeating Perfect Chaos;
  • enduring the literal creation of a small multiverse;
  • being comparable to the "baseline" of a Super Form due to his AD (and Ivo trying to keep up through tech improvement).
Did I forget smth?


Meanwhile, you have a certain saiyan with far less feats.
 
It's surprising finding out that, among Tier 2 characters, Sonic has quite a lot of feats done in base form:
  • defeating Erazor Dijin;
  • surviving his cosmology getting nuked out of existence;
  • affecting entire timelines with sheer speed;
  • defeating Perfect Chaos;
  • enduring the literal creation of a small multiverse;
  • being comparable to the "baseline" of a Super Form due to his AD (and Ivo trying to keep up through tech improvement).
Did I forget smth?
Sonic being able to strike and harm Dark Gaia's weak point, (supporting) and later on defeating the Egg Dragoon in base which is charged with Dark Gaia's energy and is Eggman's best creation to date
Being able to fight Infinite and the DER, the latter debatably passively creating galaxies and null space for the funny
Sonic withstanding Dark Queen Merlina's strikes (I think? Probably not useable but supporting ig)

Meanwhile, you have a certain saiyan with far less feats.
At least Goku's feats are more solid and agreed upon. Some of Sonic's tier 2 feats depend on if the baseline of Chaos Emeralds are actually low-multi, which is somewhat shakey ground because of IDW's Starline statement. Erazor Djinn has the whole book world thing and Ian Flynn contributing to that on bumblekast (which downplayers tend to take as 100% fact despite the disclaimer and Ian Flynn's unreliability on powerscaling). And even if it gets past all that, you have to see people saying stuff like "erm,,,, BASE SONIC beat infinite bro!!!"
 
Sonic being able to strike and harm Dark Gaia's weak point, (supporting) and later on defeating the Egg Dragoon in base which is charged with Dark Gaia's energy and is Eggman's best creation to date
Being able to fight Infinite and the DER, the latter debatably passively creating galaxies and null space for the funny
Sonic withstanding Dark Queen Merlina's strikes (I think? Probably not useable but supporting ig)
Completely forgot about the DG feat.
And yeah, the last point is probably only a supporting one (due to how Tier 2 works).


At least Goku's feats are more solid and agreed upon.
Understandable. Reddit has some peculiar takes on the matter.

Some of Sonic's tier 2 feats depend on if the baseline of Chaos Emeralds are actually low-multi,
Blaze, Tails, Ivo & Nega would like to know your location...


Erazor Djinn has the whole book world thing
IIRC, you can travel to some stages of Arabian Nights via Warp Rings in CrossWorlds.
 
Blaze, Tails, Ivo & Nega would like to know your location...
Don't get me wrong I 100% agree the feat in Rush is low-multi, even more so if the Sol Emeralds were actually doing it alone which is pretty likely combined with all the infinite power unlimited energy statements and likely being comparable to the World Rings. But Starline states that the Chaos Emeralds vary in power depending on the situation. I do feel like there's a few counters to that but yk
IIRC, you can travel to some stages of Arabian Nights via Warp Rings in CrossWorlds.
Yeah, you can. It's def evidence for the Arabian Nights being a dimension in the multiverse, tho the big thing is that they're simulations by Dodon Pa so we're not 100% there yet. That being said even if we take what Ian Flynn says about the Arabian Nights, I feel like Sonic would still get tier 3 and 2 scaling bc a star there to him is what a star is to us, and Erazor absorbed all that
Understandable. Reddit has some peculiar takes on the matter.
While it's not just reddit, I've seen some silly takes on there. Like how some people claimed that the Time Eater doesn't actually erase stuff even before the rewrite made that take even slightly understandable.
Also we do not slander Goatku to gas up Goatnic and vice versa > : (
 
It's surprising finding out that, among Tier 2 characters, Sonic has quite a lot of feats done in base form:
  • defeating Erazor Dijin;
  • surviving his cosmology getting nuked out of existence;
  • affecting entire timelines with sheer speed;
  • defeating Perfect Chaos;
  • enduring the literal creation of a small multiverse;
  • being comparable to the "baseline" of a Super Form due to his AD (and Ivo trying to keep up through tech improvement).
Did I forget smth?


Meanwhile, you have a certain saiyan with far less feats.
Defeating the Ifrit Golem, which had enough fire power to burn the entire Arabian Nights, also beating the Death Egg Robot with the Original Phantom Ruby, which was used by Phantom King to fight Classic Super Sonic
 
I was honestly thinking a bit of it must come from willful ignorance, but that is also a plausible idea. It doesn't seem like there are many "archivers" for the Sonic fandom like you see in certain others (such as Dragon Ball).
Some people also... hate the IDW Comics being canon for some reason? Like... dude, Sonic is an episodic series by nature, no one ever mentioned the battle kukkus or Mecha Sonic MK1 in the series... ARE THEY NON CANON NOW?
 
It's just copium. It will run out eventually.
Press X for doubt.
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G1 blog and Death Battle...
Screw them!
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Defeating the Ifrit Golem, which had enough fire power to burn the entire Arabian Nights
Actually the Ifrit Golem was weakened and had to charge for a long time to do so. But Erazor is there plus you can make the argument that Erazor > Ifrit Golem
also beating the Death Egg Robot with the Original Phantom Ruby, which was used by Phantom King to fight Classic Super Sonic
The best part is that Eggman was overclocking the Phantom Ruby there, such a thing was never stated for Phantom King
 
Defeating the Ifrit Golem, which had enough fire power to burn the entire Arabian Nights, also beating the Death Egg Robot with the Original Phantom Ruby, which was used by Phantom King to fight Classic Super Sonic
Genuine support for 1-C base stuff. Like, this just happens in the game and it isn't debunked by future stuff, either.
 
Trolling through the pages, I think blue wisp having deconstruction should maybe have a more clear source besides linking to the wiki page. It’s hard to tell what is deconstruction about it from that. I assume it’s the Forces base attack of the cube wispon?
 


Well it's an okay sign that they didn't pop off on what stats they are giving Metal Sonic in the episode. Or at least they didn't pop off that much, although they did give more info on Metal Sonic's stats than they did with Cell.

Tbf they barely touched on what Base Metal can do stats wise and focused most of the preview on his copy power and story beats.
 


Well it's an okay sign that they didn't pop off on what stats they are giving Metal Sonic in the episode. Or at least they didn't pop off that much, although they did give more info on Metal Sonic's stats than they did with Cell.

Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
Please be tier 7 again
 


Well it's an okay sign that they didn't pop off on what stats they are giving Metal Sonic in the episode. Or at least they didn't pop off that much, although they did give more info on Metal Sonic's stats than they did with Cell.

Pity win Metal
 
You know with Bowser vs Eggman my hope was "While they will make Bowser win I'm sure both characters will be treated with respect" (Eggman was not treated with respect in my humble opinion) and now after that episode with Cell vs Metal Sonic it has evolved to "Surely there's no way that Cell wins in a match where 90% of the vs community agrees he should be cooked right". Speaking of Bowser vs Eggman I dug up a ton of my old posts just to see how different the waiting period was for that episode compared to Cell vs Metal Sonic.
My god Yessss! They mentioned the FEB. Eggman is probably still cooked but they're research has improved. Also the calcs are probably better for bowser which is likely why they weren't mentioned.
Called it at the time. Unlike then though I'm not at all sure about Cell vs Metal Sonic. Albiet I should be more confident in Users prediction that Cell is going to be fed to Metal Sonic but that's hard when Death Battle tends to surprise me.
There's a new bowser vs eggman trailer and it looks amazing.
I never knew I'd end up liking the trailer more than the actual episode lol.
I'm unironically going to watch this on a big screen with popcorn and pop.
I actually did that when Bowser vs Eggman came out despite me entirely expecting Eggman's loss. In retrospect the thing I regret most about Bowser vs Eggman was wanting to love the episode only to not be able to when it came out no matter how hard I tried to love it.
I still like the episode it's a solid 8/10 for good voice acting, amazing animation, editing and other technical aspects. But their treatment of Eggman both in the analysis and the animation itself are what drag it down by those two points for me. It also doesn't help that they made the winner obvious by mentioning calcs in only Eggmans trailer and by suspiciously having two death battle casts in a row that featured Sonic characters. That aside Eggman also got bodied in the animation which was surprising since I would expect that such a close match would be portrayed as exactly that but for the most part it wasn't. The Egg Dragoon got stomped in fifteen seconds, then infinite got killed by a thwomp before the phantom ruby was destroyed, then Metal Sonic put in work only to die in a beam clash. From there Bowser mopped up the death egg robot which was the movie version for some reason before tanking the final egg blaster and punching Eggman really hard for the death. The only thing Eggmans efforts amounted to was getting rid of king boos crown, hitting kamek but not killing him, slightly injuring Bowser Jr and inconveniencing Bowser by making him a dry bones, thats it dude didn't even finish off Bowsers random fodder. That said I will give the episode credit for one other thing. That operation cat fish joke was hilarious and it was the most significant damage Eggman inflicted this entire fight.
Me saying at the time that the episode was an 8/10 was absolutely cope on my end from the dissonance of how much I wanted to like it colliding head on with how team Eggman was treated, and from there I proceeded to like the episode less with every viewing.




Anyways that was a lovely trip down memory lane. For all my dooming User is probably right that Death Battle won't make Cell materialize a win out of thin air. But even with that it's kind of a bummer that I have all the excitement for the episode of a corpse due to Death Battles track record even if Cell vs Metal Sonic will most likely be perfectly fine.
 


Well it's an okay sign that they didn't pop off on what stats they are giving Metal Sonic in the episode. Or at least they didn't pop off that much, although they did give more info on Metal Sonic's stats than they did with Cell.

Tier 5 with FTL scaling for base Metal at the very least PLEASEEE
 
Please be tier 7 again
Tier 5 with FTL scaling for base Metal at the very least PLEASEEE
Tier 6 take it or leave it 🙂

I'm joking of course but if nothing else it would be slightly cool to see Death Battles take on the Little Planet chain feat from Sonic CD which they probably would calc at Tier 6. Even if letting base Sonic characters be solidly tier 5 of higher would be cooler.
 
They already are scaling base Metal to the FOE level feat from Bowser vs Eggman.
Base level characters are apparently at least High 4-C on DB scaling to the Egg Mobile tanking that black hole
True but they were slightly weird about it in Bowser vs Eggman with how they felt the need to include "casual" feats namely the Death Egg Robot laser and giant Bowsers castle punch. I'm willing to bet they might have not seen surviving a black hole as a "solid" feat or as quantifiable in any way besides just comparing the black holes solar masses (hence why solar mass was the comparison rather than joules or tons of TNT) but with how they mentioned it in Metal Sonic's trailer you two are probably right that they will give High 4-C stats to base Metal Sonic. Hopefully.
 
since I was talking abt FTL stuff I think I found a similar feat in the same animation as the one here, maybe a little faster?
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First frame nothing special happens, hedgehog just goes under the Hotaro
Second frame has the Hotaro seemingly start firing as Sonic is under it
Third frame Sonic jumps out of the way where it 100% starts firing
Fourth frame just some cool light changes on the Hotaro
Fifth frame has him move at the exact same time the light beam does
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You're only 13?!

Crap, I'm almost twice your age. I've been lurking on this wiki for more than half of your entire life (since late 2017)! Now I feel old as hell and I'm not even that old 😭
Shake you literally sound like the Allstate guy you are ancient
 
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