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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

adding to this, an extremely nerfed Sukuna overpowered awakened Yuji with one hand while on burnout
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Scales to Shinjuku Yuta at worst and made sukuna's CE rise and he went all out (in the current state he was in) and arguably took less damage from sukuna's cleave to the face than Yuta did
You are right except Maki scaling to Ryu 🙄😭
 
First of all there was nowhere stated it was nerfed GB
The chapter where Yuta asks for Ryu's points, he's surprised Uro as alive and then says that his Granité Blast could only be so strong immediately after a Domain Expansion.

True, Maki is superior actually. She shows better durability feats than Yuta who's straight up around Ryu's level in durability during Shinjuku. She takes black flashes and cleaves from Sukuna btw.
Sukuna had lower output VS Maki than VS Yuta, due to the effects of Yuji's punches, Yuta's JL, and Maki putting a hole in his heart.

Not to mention she vanished for a while after the first Black Flash, and then was made unable to fight on after the second.

There is genuinely no line to scale Maki to Ryu.
 
The chapter where Yuta asks for Ryu's points, he's surprised Uro as alive and then says that his Granité Blast could only be so strong immediately after a Domain Expansion.
I'd take narrative statement for his output not being nerfed. Beside his SS despite getting fatally injured had power to one shot Rika so you are wrong about Uro scaling below Yuta in away. She is comparable to him in everyway.
 
I'd take narrative statement for his output not being nerfed.
I have no idea what you're trying to convey with this sentence.

Ryu said that his Granité Blast was weaker immediately following his Domain Expansion, not due to Cursed Technique Burnout. He was not weaker after Uro's defeat, because that was not immediately following the Domain Expansion.
 
I have no idea what you're trying to convey with this sentence.

Ryu said that his Granité Blast was weaker immediately following his Domain Expansion, not due to Cursed Technique Burnout. He was not weaker after Uro's defeat, because that was not immediately following the Domain Expansion.
How would it be weaker than usual if it was not CT burnout messing his CE control. You are just randomly making stuff up. If it's got nerfed then until he regains his CT his CE output would be nerfed no matter what. Additional you keep ignoring she was also gotten nerfed because of Off-guard+CT burnout/sudden output drop after DE+ lost one of her hands.
So your reasoning of she has lesser Durability than Yuta doesn't work here.
When in perfect condition she tanked onslaught from Yuta and Rika. Yuta even had Cursed tool equipped and CS stopping Uro from defending properly.
 
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Sukuna had lower output VS Maki than VS Yuta, due to the effects of Yuji's punches, Yuta's JL, and Maki putting a hole in his heart.
A Sukuna much weaker than the one Maki fought physically overpowering Awakened Yuji and Yuta in Gojo's body, not only once, twice or thrice, but a total of 14 TIMES IN THIS IMAGES:
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Tell me how many showings do you want?

He also said that Awakened Yuji literally wasn't a threat to his life aslong as he could avoid his technique and regain his own by the way. He is very clearly above them all even when even further weakened.

Not to mention she vanished for a while after the first Black Flash, and then was made unable to fight on after the second.
Did you miss the part where she also took cleaves to the chest and face ALONGSIDE the black flash with minimal damages?
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Sukuna himself gets shocked she was able to come back in such a short time from the black flash btw, even tho he knew about Yuji and Yuta's durability/toughness being Ryu level. (Also nice reaction from Yuji who according to you is apparently weaker than her physically lol)

She also proceeds to take ANOTHER black flash from the same Sukuna that was fighting (and overpowering) yuji just some pages ago. Sukuna considers that Black Flash not enough to finish her and proceeds to use dismantles AFTER INCREASING HIS OUTPUT on her aswell which she also takes.
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Her durability feats are way better than both Yuta and Yuji did against the same Sukuna lol. She's very clearly above them.

There is genuinely no line to scale Maki to Ryu.
Maki > Shinjuku Yuta and Yuji
Shinjuku Yuta and Yuji ~(very close)< Ryu, according to Sukuna himself
Therefore Maki is at least comparable him (should be superior if we're being honest)
 
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Oh wow Rod is showing people Maki's dura above Yuji and Yuta because she literally tanks bf from Sukuna, I wonder what bs will be argued to go against tanking bf.
 
Shinjuku Yuta and Yuji ~(very close)< Ryu, according to Sukuna himself
When did he say they were close to Ryu's toughness? He said that the situation (can't deal fatal damage without Cleave) was just like with Ryu, but that they don't surpass his toughness.
 
Maki agenda needs to stop. Sukuna also regained his output at some point better than against Maki's case can't believe here people wanking Maki above Yuta and Yuji
 
I had to use maki glaze to counter Ryu glaze man, you and I both know I think she's a Mach 3 victim who don't scale to no one
At worst, she downscales the goats Yuta and Yuji who Downscale Ryu so she kinda scales anyway.
At best she only downscales with durability, LS and speed, She lacks any AP feats from Shinjuku.
 
When did he say they were close to Ryu's toughness? He said that the situation (can't deal fatal damage without Cleave) was just like with Ryu, but that they don't surpass his toughness.
Let's put our thinking caps on.
Sukuna is physically superior to his own dismantles, which are Ryu's feat. (And said dismantle still harms him alot, he was bleeding to hell from it man)
A - Sukuna's Black Flash
B - Sukuna's physicals
C - Dismantles

A > B > C

Ryu's best feat is downscaling to (C) Dismantles, Maki is downsscaling to (B) Sukuna's physicals and being able to take (A) Sukuna's Black Flash better than Sukuna thought she could DESPITE seeing and analyzing Ryu, Yuta and Yuji's durability.

A special one would be
D - Cleaves

(D) Cleaves is able to one shot Ryu... yet it can't one shot Maki despite Sukuna hitting her in both her torso and face.

Take all of that into account and let's analyze the statement:
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Yuji and Yuta by this point wouldn't take any fatal wounds from dismantles like Ryu would so even if they don't surpass (NOTICE THE WORDING ISN'T THAT THEY DON'T SURPASS NOT DON'T "EQUAL") him in toughness they are indeed comparable, that's the bare minimum for them, they would be around the same tier of dura as Ryu, otherwise they would take fatal wounds as it is with Kusakabe for example who says he would immediatly die to a dismantle if he didn't protect himself and even if he did he would die if it's point blank.

We see what Sukuna's cleaves do to this Yuji:
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Proving the consistency of Cleaves being way superior to dismantles just like it was with Ryu, cleaves can indeed deal fatal wounds to them.

This is maki taking a bunch of cleaves straight to the chest, we see minimal injuries and literally 3 pages after she appears again without any visible issues on her performance or injuries on her chest, alongside later taking one to the face with minimal injuries:
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The whole story is indeed telling you that while Yuta and Yuji (Comparable to Ryu) are on the level of taking damage from dismantles without fatal wounds, Maki is on the level of taking even cleaves without any fatal wounds and Black flashes with much less issue than them.

And before the "Omg sukuna was weakened" comes again. Here's a singular cleave from a WEAKER Sukuna ripping AWAKENED Yuji's right side of his face off.
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TLDR: It is indeed made very clear that Yuta and Yuji's durability are both around Ryu's level while Maki's durability is clearly beyond that with way better feats lol.
 
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I think the first is just dismantle, it looks like it while cleave is the checkered pattern, those are just stars/crosses. The third panel could be him grabbing her face but I can see it as cleave ig
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It's the exact same pattern that Yuji got on the cleaves that went through his body actually. The stars you are (I think) talking about in the bottom panel were directed at Ino, not Maki
(It also wouldn't make sense for Sukuna to do physical contact then just do regular dismantles)

The one to the face is also a cleave as we see that after he grabbed her face he ""blasts"" her with something which took part of her face:
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(And again it being a dismantle is kinda nonsensical considering, again, why would he do physical contact then just do regular dismantles)
 
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It's the exact same pattern that Yuji got on the cleaves that went through his body actually. The stars you are (I think) talking about in the bottom panel were directed at Ino, not Maki
(It also wouldn't make sense for Sukuna to do physical contact then just do regular dismantles)

The one to the face is also a cleave as we see that after he grabbed her face he ""blasts"" her with something which took part of her face:
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(And again it being a dismantle is kinda nonsensical considering, again, why would he do physical contact then just do regular dismantles)
Bruh comparing 4 good hands and better output Sukuna to crippled one. Nuh you can't be serious on this
 
Not sure why Elde acts like Sukuna trying his hardest against Maki is somehow lower what Yuji had to fight
 
no im talking about maki
Then you're just wrong as I showed, it's the exact same Yuji got.

That's a different pattern to cleave's checkered one
Check the comparission in the message. It's the exact same thing.

to not kill right away
Why would he not want to kill Maki, he wanted to take her out as fast as possible, it's why he went way more serious against her than against Yuji. He didn't expect her to come back after the Black Flash either
 
Elde please take your misogynistic scaling back to the zenin clan
And again, both Awakened Yuji and Gojo Body Yuta were getting dogwalked physically by a even weaker "crippled sukuna" (as I showed in the 14 IMAGES ABOVE) that Maki was fighting right here alongside taking ANOTHER BLACK FLASH and dismantles AFTER HIS OUTPUT INCREASED so it doesn't matter at all.
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Keep in mind that Sukuna fights way more seriously against Maki than someone like Yuji aswell the entire time with the narrator straight up saying Sukuna conisdered them all appetizers while Maki truly roused his hunger. (How you take the statement comparing them doesn't matter cause the point is that Sukuna actually has the hunger to fight Maki while he doesn't against others so he would be way more motivated)
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Any argument for Maki < Yuji, Yuta and Ryu in durability is simply pure stupidity and head-canon, be so fr.
 
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Then you're just wrong as I showed, it's the exact same Yuji got.

Tell me if you think these are cleave:
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Now tell me if you think these are dismantle:
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Now lets look at how cleave is applied for Yuta's copy. It's a checkered pattern.
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Dismantle looks like a bunch of stars here (the bottom panel not Maki's panel)
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I don't think it changes much, but there's also the fact dismantle is used for no ce objects, aka Maki, while cleave is used to match things with ce. It does say toughness too but I think the main application is meant for ce objects yk.

Why would he not want to kill Maki, he wanted to take her out as fast as possible, it's why he went way more serious against her than against Yuji. He didn't expect her to come back after the Black Flash either
Oh I'm saying he wants to fight her to test her like he did with Hig and Kashimo. So there's not much sense in killing her right away. Yeah the bf is different, that's not something he can actively hold back, that's just luck that he hit it due to how focused he was.
 
We all know yuta the oc is the weakest anyways

1. Anyone else
2.Yuta
And for that matter, i think Yuta should go directly to 10-C physically and 10-B with his katana because its a katana, it sounds like a good katana and he can atleast carry it, and all his feats are going directly to rika profile because its CLEAR that it was her that actually did it instead of the bum
 
Elde please take your misogynistic scaling back to the zenin clan
You forgot Maki got cooked by 3rd BF and dismantle while Yuji was fighting 5BF amped Sukuna with higher output. Not to mention you acting like after DE awakened Yuji also stopped healing and shown exhaustion from long fight. Yuta in Gojo's body had struggle to use limitless CT still Sukuna never had statement for weaker than in Maki's fight there
 
And again, both Awakened Yuji and Gojo Body Yuta were getting dogwalked physically by a even weaker "crippled sukuna" (as I showed in the 14 IMAGES ABOVE) that Maki was fighting right here alongside taking ANOTHER BLACK FLASH and dismantles AFTER HIS OUTPUT INCREASED so it doesn't matter at all.
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Keep in mind that Sukuna fights way more seriously against Maki than someone like Yuji aswell the entire time with the narrator straight up saying Sukuna conisdered them all appetizers while Maki truly roused his hunger. (How you take the statement comparing them doesn't matter cause the point is that Sukuna actually has the hunger to fight Maki while he doesn't against others so he would be way more motivated)
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Any argument for Maki < Yuji, Yuta and Ryu in durability is simply pure stupidity and head-canon, be so fr.
Yuji also took a BF and unfinished from 4BF amped Sukuna. Maki got cooked by first BF and was out of the picture for an chapter. 3BF it clearly shown to weakened or was blocked by SSK if you actually see the falling angle of her.
 
Not sure why Elde acts like Sukuna trying his hardest against Maki is somehow lower what Yuji had to fight
You should know the Sukuna maki fought has no direct scaling to Yuji. He was clearly nerfed to unknown extent. You can't just make up numbers there when she got cooked by first BF and Yuji takes the 5th one with ease.
 
"Ah yes you are the FIRST TIME I have wanted to try to prove myself, I won't hold back on you, I'll test your marrow and bone to show which is better my sorcery or your body"

Elde: Weaker than Yuji, only applies to durability at best, no direct scaling, where's the feats man literal tanking of black flesh and cleave
 
A single Dismantle was enough to take Maki out of the fight. Meanwhile, after his awakening, Yuji tanked over a dozen of them to the point that even Sukuna was stunned watching him push through. And that’s not even considering that Yuji had already been running on fumes for a while.
 
A single Dismantle was enough to take Maki out of the fight.
What? You mean the second black flash then a stronger dismantle?? You mean after she already had received a bf beforehand? You mean how we saw her just fine during the domain??
 
What? You mean the second black flash then a stronger dismantle??
The same thing literally happened to Yuji, though and it still didn’t take him out.

You mean after she already had received a bf beforehand?
She already healed from that Black Flash, so that’s not really an excuse.

You mean how we saw her just fine during the domain??
If she was actually “just fine,” she would’ve been there with Todo, Yuji, Yuta, and Hana during the final stretch of the fight. The fact that she wasn’t says enough.
 
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