Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

alr im lost, what are we looking at and why does it matter

 

[BiggestOpp]

alr im lost, what are we looking at and why does it matter

They tanking them punches fr

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

15F Sukuna > pre Shinjuku Gojo

 

[BiggestOpp]

15F Sukuna > pre Shinjuku Gojo

Tf is pre shinjuku Gojo?

 

[TalkLost6874]

Yeah so I looked it up apparently irl dust storms are like, genuinely tiny in terms of actual density of dust and it completely dropped the values lmao

In case anyone wants to check it out I updated the calc (Be warned it has the other end also so it's long as hell). Turns out wasn't actually that bad only took me like 20 minutes to find a source then I just swapped some numbers around.

But didn't dale also say that you can argue otherwise for a higher amount than strict dust volume since its organic? Thats why I using 0.1% or 0.01% instead of the 0.0001% which gonna be honest seems way to low but whatever you think is best.

 

[Qurbonboev]

But didn't dale also say that you can argue otherwise for a higher amount than strict dust volume since its organic?

"Organic"
Since when cursed spirits are organic?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

But didn't dale also say that you can argue otherwise for a higher amount than strict dust volume since its organic? Thats why I using 0.1% or 0.01% instead of the 0.0001% which gonna be honest seems way to low but whatever you think is best.

Dale said you can argue it could be higher but it would still definitely be below 1%. This would effectively just be a base low end anyways. It's also difficult to exactly say what amount it would be considering dust clouds aren't exactly uniform.

 

[Rodriiogo]

“it freezes their pov for one second meaning they have a movement advantage”
“Ps doesn’t increase their speed”
“Ps just confused the opponent”
“Ps is teleportation” all the slop you’ve argued

I didnt say the first one, nor the third and fourth btw. Actual liar man.

The first one is about them freezeing THEIR OWN view, not the opponent, and it comes from the fanbook which I even have in my hand in right now if you want. I can give it to you for you to be able to read, it says that to do the 24 predetermined movements, they freeze their own PoV for 1 second. We see that with Naobito in the anime.

The third one comes from Maki herself saying that despite being normally fast, because of their technique they were basically impossible to track until she got her new body (HR). It's why Choso adapts to Naoya via increasing visual acuity. I didn't say it only helps by confusing the opponent, it also helps them by being able to make said predetermined moves ahead of their opponents. Naoya had no issue heading towards a PB charged Choso head on because his technique allows him to percieve and track the attacks and choso himself at 24FPS so he can dodge it.

The fourth one is something that other people said, not me. I simply said PS works on messing with your perception so it LOOKS like they are telporting as there are just 24 frames of Naoya/Naobito that exist per second of their movements. Not that they were actually teleporting.


So much for your awful glaze for that bum naoya you dont even do research or study how the guy works.

 

[Electronic74947]

I didnt say the first one, nor the third and fourth btw. Actual liar man.

The first one is about them freezeing THEIR OWN view, not the opponent, and it comes from the fanbook which I even have in my hand in right now if you want. I can give it to you for you to be able to read, it says that to do the 24 predetermined movements, they freeze their own PoV for 1 second. We see that with Naobito in the anime.

The third one comes from Maki herself saying that despite being normally fast, because of their technique they were basically impossible to track until she got her new body (HR). It's why Choso adapts to Naoya via increasing visual acuity. I didn't say it only helps by confusing the opponent, it also helps them by being able to make said predetermined moves ahead of their opponents. Naoya had no issue heading towards a PB charged Choso head on because his technique allows him to percieve and track the attacks and choso himself at 24FPS so he can dodge it.

The fourth one is something that other people said, not me. I simply said PS works on messing with your perception so it LOOKS like they are telporting as there are just 24 frames of Naoya/Naobito that exist per second of their movements. Not that they were actually teleporting.


So much for your awful glaze for that bum naoya you dont even do research or study how the guy works.

Liking because you said naoya's a bum. Didnt bother checking if you're right or not

 

[BiggestOpp]

Massive amounts of cope, your messages are public Rodriiogo

“it freezes their pov for one second meaning they have a movement advantage”

Rodriiogo said he didn’t say this.

Spoiler: Receipts

Projection Sorcery simply allows Naoya and Naobito to freeze his point of view for one second so they can make predetermined movements before their opponent even chooses to make one. It's a boost in "decision speed" to say.

“Ps is teleportation” all the slop you’ve argued

Rodriigo said he never said this.

Spoiler: Receipts

That's simply how Projection Sorcery works. Humans don't move at "24FPS" normally so tracking a movement like that is nearly impossible during a fight. For example with Top speed Naoya, he is dashing at the speed of sound so he should be moving 343 meters in a second, but at 24FPS, from the person looking's perspective it'd look like they are teleporting even if you have equal speed to him as each 1/24 of a second they have to move over 14 meters while only 24 frames are visible. So it'd look like this regardless of how fast you are:

Confusing part was a random comment that I’m not looking for, it falls in line with the first section anyways.
Dont ever call me a liar we can see your messages bro

 

[Rodriiogo]

Rodriiogo said he didn’t say this.

Read: "Naoya and Naobito to freeze his point of view so they can make predetermined movements" <- This means he is freezing HIS OWN PoV. Not his opponent's as you claimed I said.

Rodriigo said he never said this.

You gotta be joking.
Read: "it'd L-O-O-K like they are telporting".
That because of how how the perception works. You claimed I said its teleportation, in that I said it looks like they are teleporting but they obviously aren't.

Man. I never backtracked or changed stuff. Learn to read.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Also funny how you didn't even address how the PoV thing is something straight out of the fanbook said by Gege or how you didn't mention your third point? Realising you're spitting nonsense?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Rela+ at least based on the relativistic effects he suffered and 0.75 c to 0.9 c based on the standard for near light speeds.
Narratively, dabura's kick reached light speed itself.

Btw, why are you using pulverisation values, while visuals during kick itself(fireball that envelops everything) and after it(vapour everywhere) scream about everything being vaporised by high temperatures produced by kick?
Using values for vaporisation (there is no such values for reinforced concrete, but it can be substituted by assuming it as combination of regular concrete and steel) destruction end is bumped up to 7-B.
Technically higher KE end is already accepted, but having destruction calced as 7-B would def help in shutting off potential talks about disperancy between KE and AP

 

[BiggestOpp]

Learn to read.

Ironic.

Also funny how you didn't even address how the PoV thing is something straight out of the fanbook said by Gege

Doesn’t matter, was never the point. Just listing things you have said, in which you claimed you didn’t say. Struggling to comprehend?

or how you didn't mention your third point? Realising you're spitting nonsense?

Confusing part was a random comment that I’m not looking for, it falls in line with the first section anyways.

I literally said I’m not gonna search for the comment bc I don’t feel like it. I did mention it. You just can’t read you numbskull.
How much of a goober can you be to insult someone literacy just to show your own ignorance. LMAO.

Read: "Naoya and Naobito to freeze his point of view so they can make predetermined movements" <- This means he is freezing HIS OWN PoV. Not his opponent's as you claimed I said.

When tf did I say it was freezing their opponents POV???? Bro you legitimately cannot read, ts has never even happened in the series, nothing even close. So where tf does this idea come from??? It’s obviously in reference to the only time an opponents POV is mentioned. You’re an idiot.

You gotta be joking.
Read: "it'd L-O-O-K like they are telporting".
That because of how how the perception works. You claimed I said its teleportation, in that I said it looks like they are teleporting but they obviously aren't.

You literally said they only put up for each individual frame, but the distance they have to travel in between they aren’t actually there. So it looks like they’re teleporting because they literally are based on what you claimed.

as each 1/24 of a second they have to move over 14 meters while only 24 frames are visible. So it'd look like this regardless of how fast you are

Being comparable to Naoya in speed, does not mean you will be able to track him here because he'd still be teleporting 14 meters from ur perspective

He’s only appearing to be teleporting because he doesn’t actually travel those 14 meters but instead pops up only at the end of that distance bc of the frames. If he’s not physically traversing that distance but instead magically appearing 14 meters from his previous point he’s literally teleporting. You literally said this bro. It’s literally teleportation. You cannot be serious.

Learn to read.

There’s a reason not a single staff member entertained that logic in the staff thread. There’s a reason why nobody parroted that bs in the original thread.
There’s a reason why your argument failed and Tempest’s succeeded, cause ts makes no sense and you were arguing a billion different things with no coherent connection.

So anytime you try to be snarky and play with my intelligence I’ll mention ALL of your shortcomings.
Everytime you try to defend your logic you get SPANKED.
Mechamaru? Nuked.
PS mechanics? Staff didn’t even acknowledge your arguments.
Arguments against speed cap?
Whole verse capped under supersonic. Oops.

We all know you don't read the story. You don't need to convince us further with your weak bait.

yet you say this??? I can’t convince you all with my weak bait? You cannot even convince staff with your legitimate arguments, YOURE A FRAUD.
I’m 2-0 over you Rodriiogo step your game up

 

[Rodriiogo]

Just to note how everything you said is stuff I didn't say. And nothing there is changing the mechanics of PS I initiallt stated so you started nitpicking stuff now.
I literally said they do physically travel through said frames, it just isn't visble, if you bothered to go read it.

Did you forget how your main point was "you changed how it works from your initial point" yet you're showing me being consistent and stuff I said... in my first point? How did I change it mid-thread then? Stick to your guns man.

Anyways it's funny how you genuinely think you're doing something here. You do know I already talked with staff and people off-site about it right? The fact you genuinely think the staff didn't acknowledge it is you acting idiotic and thinking staff are bias which (at least the ones I talked with off-site) aren't.

And wdym YOU are 2-0? Dawg WHO are you?! The only person who actually knows how to argue well from ""your side"" (let me put it in alot of quotes because, lmao, trust me) is KT. You did nothing and just wait about the mechamaru calc, you'll see that later.

Also some staff do agree with the sumo key that would be beyond mach 3, but of course you don't know this, because you love talking about stuff you don't know. Have you ever talked with someone outside of your ragebaits here?

Stick to ragebaiting here, you're good at it.

 

[BiggestOpp]

FRAUD WATCH

 

[Rodriiogo]

Lmao. You having to resort to this instead of defending the point you tried making from the start tells me all I need to know.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Lmao. You having to resort to this instead of defending the point you tried making from the start tells me all I need to know.

If you can save the JJK scaling I’ll personally send you a thousand dollars and delete my wiki account. Until then you’re on the watchlist.

 

[Rodriiogo]

If you can save the JJK scaling I’ll personally send you a thousand dollars and delete my wiki account. Until then you’re on the watchlist.

Sure. "Watchlist"

 

[Qurbonboev]

If you can save the JJK scaling I’ll personally send you a thousand dollars and delete my wiki account. Until then you’re on the watchlist.

Just curious, what are criterias for JJK scaling to be considered saved? What AP and speed tiers?

 

[Electronic74947]

If you can save the JJK scaling I’ll personally send you a thousand dollars and delete my wiki account. Until then you’re on the watchlist.

Do you have 1000 bucks?

 

[BiggestOpp]

Do you have 1000 bucks?

May not seem like it but I do have a job

 

[BiggestOpp]

Just curious, what are criterias for JJK scaling to be considered saved? What AP and speed tiers?

Uncapped speed and town level AP

 

[Zabazab]

Something that slightly complicates scaling is that AP, durability, and speed don't necessarily corrolate.

Jogo has the highest output and speed of the Unregistered Special Grades, but Hanami completely washes him in durability. Yuta and Uro have similar speed and output, but Uro barely survived a nerfed Granité Blast while Yuta can just eat Max-Output and keep trucking. Ryu had higher AP (and dura?) than Sukuna but he still got blitzed by him.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Something that slightly complicates scaling is that AP, durability, and speed don't necessarily corrolate.

Jogo has the highest output and speed of the Unregistered Special Grades, but Hanami completely washes him in durability. Yuta and Uro have similar speed and output, but Uro barely survived a nerfed Granité Blast while Yuta can just eat Max-Output and keep trucking. Ryu had higher AP (and dura?) than Sukuna but he still got blitzed by him.

It should be noted that Base build can cause things to vary by a lot.
Hanami is built like a TANK. Even without CE, the mf is like genuinely durable, like Miguel.
Uro also took like a full unguarded barrage from Yuta and Rika at the same time, before the granite blast took her out.

Sukuna blitzing Ryu has always been sus to me.

 

[Epiccheev]

 

[Rodriiogo]

Ryu had higher AP (and dura?) than Sukuna but he still got blitzed by him.

 

[LIGHTYW]

PREACH RODRIIOGO!!!! MAKI ISNT A MACH 3 VICTIM AND MBA KASHIMO IS A GOD TIER! IGNORE THOSE BAITERS AND BUMS!!!!

 

[Zabazab]

Do you not think that was a speedblitz??

 

[BiggestOpp]

Do you not think that was a speedblitz??

He don’t think Ryu has stronger physicals

 

[Zabazab]

He don’t think Ryu has stronger physicals

More than stronger physicals, Ryu overall has better output. Granité Blast > 16F's Dismantle. At least both Sukuna and the narrator agree Ryu's output is better & he can't be fatally damaged by Sukuna without Cleave.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Do you not think that was a speedblitz??

Ryu is below Sukuna in everything. A 10% 16F Sukuna was already physically superior to Awakened Maki who is comparable to Ryu in physicals.

Sukuna's dismantle is weaker than his physicals, that's made very clear to us. A Weakened Sukuna's CLEAVE only scratched Yuta's face even tho he was still physically superior to all of them in the same exact scene. Same with the dismantles not doing fatal damages to both yuta and yuji even in the beginning when he was, again, still physically superior.

 

[Zabazab]

Ryu is below Sukuna in everything. A 10% 16F Sukuna was already physically superior to Awakened Maki who is comparable to Ryu in physicals.

Maki and Ryu do not have comparable AP/durability.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Maki and Ryu do not have comparable AP/durability.

True, Maki is superior actually. She shows better durability feats than Yuta who's straight up around Ryu's level in durability during Shinjuku. She takes black flashes and cleaves from Sukuna btw.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Gojo vs Sukuna clearly shows how actually effective are Cleaves against someone comparable in physicals. 16F is obviously vastly superior to Ryu in physicals

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ryu is below Sukuna in everything. A 10% 16F Sukuna was already physically superior to Awakened Maki who is comparable to Ryu in physicals.

Sukuna's dismantle is weaker than his physicals, that's made very clear to us. A Weakened Sukuna's CLEAVE only scratched Yuta's face even tho he was still physically superior to all of them in the same exact scene. Same with the dismantles not doing fatal damages to both yuta and yuji even in the beginning when he was, again, still physically superior.

adding to this, an extremely nerfed Sukuna overpowered awakened Yuji with one hand while on burnout

Maki and Ryu do not have comparable AP/durability.

Scales to Shinjuku Yuta at worst and made sukuna's CE rise and he went all out (in the current state he was in) and arguably took less damage from sukuna's cleave to the face than Yuta did

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Something that slightly complicates scaling is that AP, durability, and speed don't necessarily corrolate.

Jogo has the highest output and speed of the Unregistered Special Grades, but Hanami completely washes him in durability. Yuta and Uro have similar speed and output, but Uro barely survived a nerfed Granité Blast while Yuta can just eat Max-Output and keep trucking. Ryu had higher AP (and dura?) than Sukuna but he still got blitzed by him.

You were cooking until you started talking about Uro getting cooked by GB
First of all there was nowhere stated it was nerfed GB
Second she lost her hand and completely off-guard
Lost one of her hand which would reduce her CE output and CT burnout would already leave her CE output in shambles.
She got knocked out not just barely surviving it. Her body was still in not that worst condition like you are making it sound

Ryu didn't had higher AP and Durability idk where you got this. Sukuna wasn't a player it was Yuji.

 

[Mommyleona]

More than stronger physicals, Ryu overall has better output. Granité Blast > 16F's Dismantle. At least both Sukuna and the narrator agree Ryu's output is better & he can't be fatally damaged by Sukuna without Cleave.

 

[Thunderman101]

We all know yuta the oc is the weakest anyways

1. Anyone else
2.Yuta

 

[Thunderman101]

Yuka Has Cancer because she has

1.Yutas genes
2.Makis gense

Maki is related to megumi

Yuta+Megumi=100% of the bumness