Chaos Gods' Supergenius Chess Tournament - R1 Match 4 : The Doctor vs Bill Cipher

[Nonynho]

Keeping it simple:
Here we got the rules, Chess BO3 for short
Here we got the bracket

For the 3rd time wow we're seeing some uncontrollable fellas here, they won't play physically, as Bill is too much of a unstable mf to permit so. Instead, each one of them will have an 8gb RAM notebook connected with 100mbps of Ethernet, in Chess.com

Hard to Describe Time Traveller :

Hard to Describe Triangle Demon :

Incon :

 

[Thunderman101]

Ok so firstly before going through the doctor i feel like bills ego will be his biggest downfall here, from what i can see his best feats come from organization and inventing. He can process an infinite amount of futures. The doctor has great memory being able to speak every language in the universe, has beaten mr clever with only half of his brain left https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Mr_Clever. Bills short attention span can also be exploited due to him constantly seing the past present and future. And the doctor has outsmated the dalkes who can ''Perform "thousand billion" calculations in a second flat, and have internal systems which let them identify weapons and lifeforms in nanoseconds)''. Leaning doctor here

 

[Nonynho]

So far, it makes sense

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Ok so firstly before going through the doctor i feel like bills ego will be his biggest downfall here

Yeah fair

from what i can see his best feats come from organization and inventing

I haven’t fully read TBoB so yeah. He does also seem to have decent quantum physics knowledge, but probably not all that notable in a chess match

The doctor has great memory being able to speak every language in the universe, has beaten mr clever with only half of his brain left https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Mr_Clever

From what I’m reading, The Doctor beat Mr Clever by tricking him into diverting his computing power to the chess match, which allowed The Doctor to use his sonic scewdriver on him, yet he was noted to be losing the chess match

He can process an infinite amount of futures

Bills short attention span can also be exploited due to him constantly seing the past present and future. And the doctor has outsmated the dalkes who can ''Perform "thousand billion" calculations in a second flat, and have internal systems which let them identify weapons and lifeforms in nanoseconds)''.

The thing is, thousand billion calculations in a second is still less than infinite futures/parallel timelines

I know that The Doctor is crazy smart, and I ain’t the most knowledgable about GF, but for now I’m leaning towards Cipher, and hopefully someone more knowledgable then me comes along

 

[Thunderman101]

Yeah fair

I haven’t fully read TBoB so yeah. He does also seem to have decent quantum physics knowledge, but probably not all that notable in a chess match

From what I’m reading, The Doctor beat Mr Clever by tricking him into diverting his computing power to the chess match, which allowed The Doctor to use his sonic scewdriver on him, yet he was noted to be losing the chess match


The thing is, thousand billion calculations in a second is still less than infinite futures/parallel timelines

I know that The Doctor is crazy smart, and I ain’t the most knowledgable about GF, but for now I’m leaning towards Cipher, and hopefully someone more knowledgable then me comes along

true, but like i said bills attnetion span is extreemley short due to this and it takes one goof up

 

[Nonynho]

hopefully someone more knowledgable then me comes along

call them :>

 

[StrymULTRA]

true, but like i said bills attnetion span is extreemley short due to this and it takes one goof up

I mean he still managed to plan and successfully make a whole cult town while being perfectly disguised as a human for the sake of making a portal, and was a hair's width from succeding.

I do not think that's going to be too relevant here.

 

[Nonynho]

we gotta make those rounds start in the main tournament thread before making threads because this is already gg'd with less than 10 posts

 

[DontTalkDT]

The Doctor realizes the triangle's precognition due to being a time lord.
He will then proceed to make Bill watch a future in which a chess engine is used to advise his next move, consequently having him disqualified due to having employed computer assistance.
By that, the Doctor wins by default.

 

[Nonynho]

lmfao

 

[Thunderman101]

I mean he still managed to plan and successfully make a whole cult town while being perfectly disguised as a human for the sake of making a portal, and was a hair's width from succeding.

I do not think that's going to be too relevant here.

yes but that is a long term plan, chess is a short term gme with quick decisions

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Time Lords already see infinite future/timelines as well the multiverse, so I couldnt care about each other precognition

Now, the viral creature was attempting to see the datascape as the Doctor saw it, constructing the area as a two-dimensional map, a simple pattern. This Time Lord, it decided, must have a real gift for approximation. The datascape extended into time as well as space, and the wetware (a human term meaning biological computer hardware - the Wyrm had liked the sound) it was housed in was threaded with symbiotic nuclei. These had defied analysis, a fact that, considering the Timewyrms resources, was equally astonishing. They were, as far as the being could fathom, atomic nuclei that somehow acted in an intelligent manner, coordinating the host's nervous system on a hyperspatial level.

The host, the Timewyrm was beginning to realize, was a lot more than a simple intelligence. The mere concept of memory in such a being was complex. Memories of the future, of alternate possibilities of tachyon-based fictional universes - there was the potential to access them all. -
Timewyrm Revalations

Only a few were blessed or damned with the Doctor's power to see the multiverse in all its vast, beautiful, bountiful, exotically coloured aspects, its glamouring glory. Those few knew how many truths could exist at once: the countless alternatives, the infinity of paradoxes, the billion twists of fate. That power only came with an understanding of how space could be a dimension of time, still hard for the average head to handle. - Coming of the Terraphiles

But focus on chess, The Doctor finding fun to play Scrabble in nine dimensions as well The Eleventh Doctor once claimed that the Time Lords had invented chess, and making it [their] game. in Nightmare in Silver, with Time Lords having variant of the game which was known as four-dimensional chess and was described as having been "adapted from Earth chess". It shared the latter's basic rules, but also involved "multiple levels", "the ability to dematerialise pieces from the board and have them materialise elsewhere on later turns of the game", and time-travelling pieces

 

[Nonynho]

 

[DontTalkDT]

Time Lords already see infinite future/timelines as well the multiverse, so I couldnt care about each other precognition

I don't think any of these things indicates that the Doctor in particular usually sees the future? He could probably build something that can, but it's not really a thing he tends to do.

But focus on chess, The Doctor finding fun to play Scrabble in nine dimensions

But is he good at it?

in Nightmare in Silver, with Time Lords having variant of the game which was known as four-dimensional chess and was described as having been "adapted from Earth chess". It shared the latter's basic rules, but also involved "multiple levels", "the ability to dematerialise pieces from the board and have them materialise elsewhere on later turns of the game", and time-travelling pieces

Didn't know Doctor Who had a crossover with this verse.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I don't think any of these things indicates that the Doctor in particular usually sees the future? He could probably build something that can, but it's not really a thing he tends to do.

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DOCTOR: But this is wrong! You can't control life and death.
ROSE: But I can. The sun and the moon, the day and night. But why do they hurt?
DOCTOR: The power's going to kill you and it's my fault.
ROSE: I can see everything. All that is, all that was, all that ever could be.
DOCTOR: That's what I see. All the time. And doesn't it drive you mad?
ROSE: My head.
DOCTOR: Come here.

also from The Fires of Pompeii episode

DONNA: But if it's aliens setting off the volcano, doesn't that make it all right for you to stop it?
DOCTOR: Still part of history.
DONNA: But I'm history to you. You saved me in 2008. You saved us all. Why is that different?
DOCTOR: Some things are fixed, some things are in flux. Pompeii is fixed.
DONNA: How do you know which is which?
DOCTOR: Because that's how I see the universe. Every waking second, I can see what is, what was, what could be, what must not. That's the burden of a Time Lord, Donna. And I'm the only one left.
DONNA: How many people died?
DOCTOR: Stop it.
DONNA: Doctor, how many people died?
DOCTOR: Twenty thousand.
DONNA: Is that what you can see, Doctor? All twenty thousand? And you think that's all right, do you?
(Something roars.)
DOCTOR: They know we're here. Come on.

But is he good at it?

No much details except he like play much the game, he however play a lot normal scrabbles and normal chess with his friends or Four dimensional chess with other people

Didn't know Doctor Who had a crossover with this verse.

lmao

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also, note that Doc stalament Fenric in chess for at most 3 months, Fenric/the Entity forced the Toymaker (God of Games who literally live for plays against all-mighty and precognitive gods and beat them) for first time in his eternal life to make a stalement on Four Dimensional chess becuase Fenric at most win

 

[DontTalkDT]

?

also from The Fires of Pompeii episode

He can see time and things like fix points, yes, but I don't think these should be interpreted as him constantly seeing the future.
If he did, you would have about 700 episodes of the show of which you would have to explain to me how the plot can happen if he already knew it would happen.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

He can see time and things like fix points, yes, but I don't think these should be interpreted as him constantly seeing the future.

This is an alien who possessed a time lord body and now can see what time lords normally see, their precognition is very accurate, i can show you several other feats and statement of their precognitions

If he did, you would have about 700 episodes of the show of which you would have to explain to me how the plot can happen if he already knew it would happen.

bruh, the reason why he cant see shit sometimes is becuase there are area of time where Time lords perception are either cloudy as he said it to Clara in Kill the Moon episode or they attempt to see Deep Time zones which are specifically zone whose nature neutralized precognition

Or you know, if you see the wrong future like a person who you love die, then it will become a fixed point, see the Angels take manhattan talk of Amy and Doctor

hell, the reason why Time Lords not intervent and stay in gallifrey is becuase their peceptions are tied with their Observation effect

also i could said the same for bill, dude can see infinite futures, why he lost while his other variants dont, so why complain about this? just move on precognition and focus on their minds capacity, we all know that Plot will nerf precognition for the sake of story

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

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[Oliver_de_jesus]

I dont even notice, becuase idk why but i not get notifications

 

[Eseseso]

Interesting matchup. Following.

I dont even notice, becuase idk why but i not get notifications

Aren't you planning on revising the Doctor's intelligence?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Interesting matchup. Following.

Aren't you planning on revising the Doctor's intelligence?

yeah

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Interesting matchup. Following.

please visit the main thread, this match is treated as concluded