context...? I'm inclined to say the book just allows a person to manipulate type 1 concepts.
I don't think the object CM1 means that it is a concept but rather it carries conceptual power and via it, character have CM1
Cuz CM1 is the most larped ability on the site
Lets say there is a physical book that contains type 1 concepts. Character X destroys that book. Does X have CM 1 now? Or is the book also CM1
Did those concepts get destroyed?
Even if they are destroyed, X won’t get concept destruction unless the attack was targeting the concepts themselves rather than the book. This was already addressed in the CM2 explanation.
No, this is just a chain reaction from the destruction of the book, like what Grabbing dragon said. X will not get CM
I have noticed some characters are getting cm 1 for simply ‘using’ an energy that originates from a type 1 concept. Like imagine a type 1 concept gave birth to some sort of energy and now characters are getting cm1 for affecting that energy instead of actually altering that type 1 concept. Some people like to say their character has conceptual magic but the characters just use abilities that come from magic, they don't actually change magic itself
Example?
Honkai until very recently
What about Marvel's magic?
Havent gone too in-depth but from snippets I’ve seen it really does sound like some mad bs. (And not just in CM1 either)
yeah
yeah just because magic in marvel is conceptual doesn't mean every single person who uses magic has concept hax apart from the characters who can actually change magic itself
Like series where some aspect of x character was created by a CM1 and thus they have CM1?
character x is getting cm 1 for using energy that was created by a type 1 concept
Doesn't that imply anyone doing anything in a verse with type 1 concept has automatic CM 1 manip?
Not at all. Using energy isn’t the same as using the concept itself. For example, using the energy from the concept of death to kill something wouldn’t be CM. Using the concept of death itself to kill something would be CM.
I'm going by the postulate that Robo explained.
There is genuinely a thin line between using a concept and manipulating it.
Is this YTSY lol
why do you think doing anything in the verse would be cm 1 just because a type of energy is being used
Robo... I'm saying that IF you go by the postulate that "energy created by a CM1 concept grant type 1 manipulation," then, if a verse only has type 1 concepts, it means everything originates/was created by those concepts, meaning that just like the postulate, anyone doing anything would in that precise, obviously wrong postulate, grant CM1 too.
Ok, understandable.
I’m talking about using a concept in order to impose it. It’s already an accepted fact that this counts as CM; manipulating concepts is one of its possible uses, along with Concept Destruction, Creation, etc. If necessary, I could create a staff thread and add conceptual enforcement as an example of possible uses.
The example itself is talking about a concept in the Nominalism sense
Nah, we take that as conceptual manipulation? Weak ahh shit
it's korean novel
How is that even nominalism bruh? It probably looks like that because I'm only showing the application and not a page of exposition.The example itself is talking about a concept in the Nominalism sense
By energy i mean stuff like Chakra from Naruto or Ki from Dragon Ball for example. If a type 1 concept gave birth to Chakra, people would argue someone in Naruto verse would have type 1 CM for manipulating or using Chakra. I'm seeing characters get type 1 cm for similar arguments like this. Also not all type 1 concepts in the wiki give birth to everything but imo it should
Bruh, enforcing stuff like laws or concepts is high-level stuff, higher than mere control/manipulation. They can be useful for removing things like immunity, etc.
Yeah, I understood your argument, and I agree with you that it's nonsensical. I just went further to explain how illogical it would be.
A person who only manipulates the concept of death wouldn’t be able to do anything against someone who doesn’t participate in death, they would be useless. But someone who can enforce the concept of death can make them participate in it and die as a result due to enforcing it.
But also useless against someone who already in that concept kek
Not really, enforcing the concept of death is also a way of inducing death, so even those who participate in it would die.
It just death manipulation lil bro
YTSY verse actually has one of the conceptual combat even if CM type 1 as strict as that, Su Zhou vs the Five Torrents and Joshua Miracles, which are eating away predetermined concepts. So it is not really impossible.
