Dominions Profile +Other Marvel Additions

[ProfectusInfinity]

• Introducing a profile for Dominions.
• Surtur Changes
  • - Surtur is rated as Low 1-C in his base form, despite his justification explaining that he's equal to Odin without amps, thus assuming for some reason that Odin was at his weakest ebb of power while facing Surtur. This isn't true, it was stated both in a recap and during the actual battle against Surtur in Thor #350-353 that Odin used the full measure of his power [-Thor Annual (Vol. 1) #14; 1989 | Thor (Vol. 1) #352; 1984]. Surtur considers Odin his only rival in power as well as his equal [-Thor (Vol. 1) #177; 1970]. Moreover, Surtur has battled Odinforce Thor on equal terms, during which they were stated to be too evenly matched [-Thor (Vol. 1) #400; 1988]. His dimension of Muspelheim is also his very essence [-Mighty Thor (Vol. 1) #20; 2012]. In short, upgrade Surtur in his base to Skyfather level.
  • - Elaborate on Surtur's Twilight Sword amp. justifications: Shown to be somewhat stronger than Odin and recovered from his blows easily even as the latter used the full measure of his Odin-power; [-Thor (Vol. 1) #352; 1984] stood his ground against the combined forces of Odin, Thor, and Loki [-Thor (Vol. 1) #353; 1984]. In terms of speed, he's also fast enough to strike down a speeding Thor [-Thor (Vol. 1) #351; 1984].
  • Quick Abilities: Demon Physiology & God Physiology (Surtur is a fire demon [-Journey Into Mystery (Vol. 4) #646; 2012] and demon fire god [-Beta Ray Bill (Vol. 1) #2; 2021]. Also use the previous scan to add a profile note that his power is greatly diminished without the Twilight Sword. Size Manipulation (Shrank to match Beta Ray Bill's size then returned to his gigantic regular size [-Beta Ray Bill (Vol. 1) #5; 2021]).
  • Also, remove the Immeasurable Speed in Surtur's profile since he gains it from scaling to Odin, who doesn't even have that level of speed.
• Zeus Additions
  • - Tiering justifications: Zeus is the only one ranked above Pluto in power [-Avengers (Vol. 1) #282; 1987], and his might is the sole authority through which Pluto sustains his power over the denizens of Tartarus [-Incredible Hercules (Vol. 1) #131; 2009]. Zeus's power and majesty is equalled only by Odin [-Thor (Vol. 1) #221; 1973].
  • - Fissionism (Raised Hercules to full godhood by splitting the divine part of him from his mortal shade [-Incredible Hercules (Vol. 1) #129; 2009]).
• Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019
  • ^Apply that ability to mystic beings in general

 

[MrKerf]

God bless Profectus.

 

[Antvasima]

All of this seems perfectly fine, except for that Surtur is usually 1000 feet tall, not 100 feet.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I disagree about Dominion's NEP (at least type 2, if it were tyep 3 or remove all aspect and put (type 2, aspect 1 and 5), i couldn’t mind much), they refer themselves as information and are state to be Ideas, being above a nonexistence beings R>F, don't mean you needed to be nonexistent, example; DC's limbo is a void where stories, time and space end, yet Nil is above it and still the monitors nor supercelestials beings such as Perpetua have NEP

Also someone remove surtur's inmensurable speed, Odin is only infinite at peak


Other than that this is fine, i likely should investigate about surtur

 

[Excellence616]

Also someone remove surtur's inmensurable speed, Odin is only infinite at peak

They would get downgraded to Infinite speed in the future anyways

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Seems all good.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Great CRT

 

[BoastJr]

Seems fine by me

 

[Eseseso]

• Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019

Wouldn't this Resistance to Spatial Manipulation apply to all Mystic Beings?

Rest looks solid, good work!

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @ObberGobb @Excellence616 @Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack @Eficiente @Adr10K @The_Impress @ExcelsisBerny

Your input would be appreciated here.

 

[Mbpoops]

Thumbs up. Didnt realize dominions didnt have profiles. Seems fine to me tho

 

[Eseseso]

Wouldn't this Resistance to Spatial Manipulation apply to all Mystic Beings?

Small bump on this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

All of this seems perfectly fine, except for that Surtur is usually 1000 feet tall, not 100 feet.

I share same sentiments.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[ObberGobb]

I strongly agree with the thing about Surtur, it's bugged me for a long time. Dominions look good but I don't know enough about them to comment either way. How does this affect Storm scaling? Does she scale to the first or second key? Is she more powerful than Beyonders?

 

[FinePoint]

All of this seems perfectly fine, except for that Surtur is usually 1000 feet tall, not 100 feet.

"Over 1000 feet tall" usually, but yeah. Agreed.

Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019

This is also speculatively supported by various feats, I believe.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

"Over 1000 feet tall" usually, but yeah. Agreed.

Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019

This is also speculatively supported by various feats, I believe.

Yeah, space phantom (who can bfr you to limbo and he gain access to look/your powers) state he was unable to take Thor's place becuase he was built different in Avengers Vol 1 2, 107, 108


Iirc i did a crt about this (i could be wrong tho)

 

[Eseseso]

"Over 1000 feet tall" usually, but yeah. Agreed.

Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019

This is also speculatively supported by various feats, I believe.

Yeah, space phantom (who can bfr you to limbo and he gain access to look/your powers) state he was unable to take Thor's place becuase he was built different in Avengers Vol 1 2, 107, 108


Iirc i did a crt about this (i could be wrong tho)

Yeah resistance to interdimensional BFR for Gods is already on their physiology page, plus mystic beings (especially in the God Realms) are constantly stated in comics and modern handbooks as outside of standard space-time, laws, and physics

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I strongly agree with the thing about Surtur, it's bugged me for a long time. Dominions look good but I don't know enough about them to comment either way. How does this affect Storm scaling? Does she scale to the first or second key? Is she more powerful than Beyonders?

Storm scales to the second key based on the justifications in her current profile, as the fight took place in Overspace, which is outside the Omniverse.

 

[FinePoint]

Yeah, space phantom (who can bfr you to limbo and he gain access to look/your powers) state he was unable to take Thor's place becuase he was built different in Avengers Vol 1 2, 107, 108


Iirc i did a crt about this (i could be wrong tho)

We should probably collect multiple feats like this and link them as well for justification, rather than the single issue which is currently proposed.

 

[Eseseso]

We should probably collect multiple feats like this and link them as well for justification, rather than the single issue which is currently proposed.

As I mentioned, there's a lot of stuff already on the God Physiology page and Mystic Being section stating them to be outside of standard space-time, laws, and physics. If anything this is kind of just support for that.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

All of this seems perfectly fine, except for that Surtur is usually 1000 feet tall, not 100 feet.

Are you fine with this minor addition too (last line, bolded)?

• Mystic Being Physiology and Resistance to Spatial Manipulation for Asgardians: Asgardians possess a mystical nature that allows them to resist the effects of a forced spatial displacement. -Superior Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #8; 2019
  • ^Apply that ability to mystic beings in general

 

[Eseseso]

Are you fine with this minor addition too (last line, bolded)?

Btw since the White Hot Room is High 1-A that would also go for the second key of the Dominions

 

[Antvasima]

Are you fine with this minor addition too (last line, bolded)?

That seems fine, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Btw since the White Hot Room is High 1-A that would also go for the second key of the Dominions

Are each of them comparable to the full power of the entire Phoenix Force?

 

[Eseseso]

Are each of them comparable to the full power of the entire Phoenix Force?

The justification on the blog itself puts their unrestrained forms on par and on the dimensionality of the White Hot Room.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I think that Marvel's cosmology and scaling is extremely exaggerated in its entirety, but very well then.

 

[FinePoint]

Okay. I think that Marvel's cosmology and scaling is extremely exaggerated in its entirety, but very well then.

I think part of the problem is we don't have an efficient mechanism on the profile to convey "This is technically the most impressive thing they've done but most of the time they're around this other level."

 

[Eseseso]

I think part of the problem is we don't have an efficient mechanism on the profile to convey "This is technically the most impressive thing they've done but most of the time they're around this other level."

Maybe, but this blog is going by where they stand in the cosmology, particularly for the second key.

 

[ObberGobb]

Okay. I think that Marvel's cosmology and scaling is extremely exaggerated in its entirety, but very well then.

What issues do you have? Tbh I don't quite understand 1-A, so no matter how many times I read through the blog on the Astral Plane, I don't understand what makes it 1-A instead of High 1-B. So really, I just focus on character scaling and trust that others understand cosmology scaling better than me.

 

[Eseseso]

What issues do you have? Tbh I don't quite understand 1-A, so no matter how many times I read through the blog on the Astral Plane, I don't understand what makes it 1-A instead of High 1-B. So really, I just focus on character scaling and trust that others understand cosmology scaling better than me.

Please save this for another thread guys.

(I'm working on better hashing out the 1-A stuff for the Astral Plane in my mystic cosmology blog, but at the moment the moment the main thing is that it is a conceptual realm beyond time, space, form, and physics)

 

[Antvasima]

What issues do you have? Tbh I don't quite understand 1-A, so no matter how many times I read through the blog on the Astral Plane, I don't understand what makes it 1-A instead of High 1-B. So really, I just focus on character scaling and trust that others understand cosmology scaling better than me.

I mainly have a problem with that we rate post-retcon cosmic cube Beyonder as High 1-B rather than Low 2-C and then use him as a base stepping stone foundation for the rest of the cosmology to be scaled higher from, as well as that we tier each individual Marvel universe (Earth 616, etc.) as 1-A. I think that interpretation is extremely contradicted and creates insanely inflated scaling problems.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Agreed with FinePoint and Antvasima

 

[Eseseso]

Again everyone, please save this stuff for another thread

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Since there aren't any outstanding issues, I'll go ahead with applying changes. Thanks for all the input!

Edit: Finished applying everything, the thread can be closed now.

 

[FinePoint]

Since there aren't any outstanding issues, I'll go ahead with applying changes. Thanks for all the input!

Edit: Finished applying everything, the thread can be closed now.

I will do so then.

Thank you to everyone who helped out.