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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Azertyhuuh said:
Yes, I understand what you’re saying, but this only applies if the work itself contradicts the Type 3 multiverse interpretation, such as the existence of a finite Hilbert space, meaning as you said it extends only to certain dimensional spaces.
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Uh, no, becuase the Hilbert space in the actual MWI is abstract, not physical. By "abstract" I don't mean some "conceptual space" but as in a theoretical model space that doesn't actually exist.

Thus why it's not tierable. We only really rate it at high 1-B when:
  • It's states to explicitly be inside some infinite dimensional hilbert space
  • Said space is, in one way or another, shown to be physical.
Azertyhuuh said:
In that case, it clearly would not reach the H1B level. However, if the work explicitly mentions and follows the Type 3 multiverse theory and does not contradict its concept, then concluding that it extends only to some dimensional spaces is merely a superficial inference and not correct, and it would just be your personal opinion without any evidence, because in the theory there is an infinite number of dimensions, not a limited one. Therefore, if the work does not contradict the concept of the Type 3 multiverse, no one has the right to assume that it is limited or anything like that.
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Uh, no, this isn't "my opinion", it's how vsbw treats things. Becuase there are just soooo many verses here that have the so called "many world interpretation", yet none of them gets high 1-B ratings. Why? Cuz they don't have infinite dimensional statements

The absense of contradictory evidence does not serve as usable evidence itself (i.e., becuase its not stated to be finite dimensional, as in no info on it at all, does not mean it's infinite dimensional or any X dimensional. Assuming otherwise would be an NLF)

If you were to ask for "my opinion" on which MWI is high 1-B and which is not, I would give you an entirely different answer that vsbw doesn't agree with lol
Ferno1234 said:
Pretty sure the default(without any specification to the quantity of branching at each instance) is only 2-C~2-B
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Yep
Even with "infinite" worlds, it's just 2-A.
 
Reiner04 said:
The branching process occurs in every quantum event, at each moment in time
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Sure
Reiner04 said:
the total amount of universes after branching through all of time is uncountably infinite
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Huh? Unless I'm missing something, even if an arbitrary number of universes branch at each instance of time, they will still be uncountably infinite through "all of time"

At that point, It Isn't anything special or specific to branching due to "quantum randomness" or "every quantum event", it might aswell be redundant to mention quantum branching as a way to achieve Tier 1 when the actual reasoning is something completely different
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
We don't assume all examples of type 3 Multiverses are high 1-B btw
While yes for the extreme cases with so much details, that's valid, but for the basic MWI (many worlds branching, in some extra-dimensional space, etc.), that's not nearly enough for high 1-B.
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I remember someone trying to say DB universe is type 3 universe and high 1-B because Bulma in her notebook had figures relating to quantum physics. Here put Ishowspeed trying not to laugh
 
Ultimuru said:
I remember someone trying to say DB universe is type 3 universe and high 1-B because Bulma in her notebook had figures relating to quantum physics. Here put Ishowspeed trying not to laugh
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Yes, what he said is correct, but the matter does not rely only on Bulma’s memo; there are other pieces of evidence that also contributed to proving that as well, and those are not ordinary drawings each drawing indicates something specific, and one of those drawings is used to point to infinite dimensions, vector functions, and branching. They were fully explained by Dragon Ball experts.

The interview conducted about Dragon Ball with the aim of understanding how cosmology works in the Dragon Ball series also helped in understanding the mechanism that the Dragon Ball work follows, which is the Type 3 multiverse.

There are also contexts such as Trunks’ context, where he himself stated that every action or decision, no matter how small, creates countless possible futures.

There are very many contexts, and indeed Dragon Ball follows the Type 3 multiverse theory this is a fact but relying on Bulma’s memo alone is not sufficient, even though it is evidence that proves the existence of infinite dimensions in one of those drawings; however, there are other supporting contexts as well.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Yes, what he said is correct, but the matter does not rely only on Bulma’s memo; there are other pieces of evidence that also contributed to proving that as well, and those are not ordinary drawings each drawing indicates something specific, and one of those drawings is used to point to infinite dimensions, vector functions, and branching.
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Oh hell nah

Azertyhuuh said:
They were fully explained by Dragon Ball experts.
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Aka people from Reddit/TikTok
Azertyhuuh said:
The interview conducted about Dragon Ball with the aim of understanding how cosmology works in the Dragon Ball series also helped in understanding the mechanism that the Dragon Ball work follows, which is the Type 3 multiverse
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If you are talking about interview with real scientist he only was elaborating if time travels from DB could happen irl.
Azertyhuuh said:
There are also contexts such as Trunks’ context, where he himself stated that every action or decision, no matter how small, creates countless possible futures.
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No? He never said anything like that? He was explaining that there is more than one timeline and as an example he said there is future where Goku is alive and future where he is dead. And these timelines are different because of one small change that had big impact on the future. He didn't mentioned branching of one timeline.


Azertyhuuh said:
There are very many contexts, and indeed Dragon Ball follows the Type 3 multiverse theory this is a fact but relying on Bulma’s memo alone is not sufficient, even though it is evidence that proves the existence of infinite dimensions in one of those drawings; however, there are other supporting contexts as well.
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It is not. There is no evidence for infinite dimensions. And its literally said that time travelling is a taboo because it creates a new timeline. We even can see how many timelines exist thanks to amount of time rings.

And I won't discuss about it with you here anymore. It's Tensura discussion thread.
 
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More images of it (though this one looks like a bigger complex version of it), it seems very prominent
 
Ferno1234 said:
Huh? Unless I'm missing something, even if an arbitrary number of universes branch at each instance of time, they will still be uncountably infinite through "all of time"

At that point, It Isn't anything special or specific to branching due to "quantum randomness" or "every quantum event", it might aswell be redundant to mention quantum branching as a way to achieve Tier 1 when the actual reasoning is something completely different
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I’m not saying that Tier 1 is specific/special to branching via quantum randomness "only". Many franchises, such as the MCU, already has Tier 1 simply by having an uncountable infinite number of universes, even though they have no statement of having it done via quantum mechanics. My point was to correct the user who said that "merely mentioning quantum mechanics is sufficient for Tier 1". It only counts if there is confirmation that branching is actually taking place as a result it. In terms of quantity, an uncountable infinite number of universes is the general standard for Tier 1. It is entirely up to the fiction to decide how it achieves that number, whether through quantum branching, magic, or otherwise whatever, but the end result is all we care about.
 
Mido02 said:
Well let's be positive finally we get some proper animation we always joke that tensura animation is generic let's hope that there will be some improvement in the main anime too not just movie
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The other movie also looked good, but that didn't save it from being mid.
I really need Carrera to save this movie.

And since we've not gotten anything for the anime so far, my expectations are at an all time low.
 
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Introduction Hello everyone! Hope everything's going well. This time I wanted to move away from tiers and hax for a bit (and also from upgrades) and clean up the absurd speed scaling in the Web Novel profiles. As always, please avoid any derailing behavior and toxicity! Table of Contents Well...
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The Ramiris thread reminded me that the April Fools Pac-Man collab is canon lol

Even so, "[Prosperity][Alta]"──is it?
Could it be that the labyrinth produced wealth because Ramiris had this?
Or is it just a coincidence?
It seems that game [casings] [body] [body] and other things had also washed up in Ramiris's Labyrinth, so perhaps they had unexpectedly benefited from the blessings of "[Prosperity] [Alta]". Either way, I wanted to investigate, so I thought I would try researching it with Kurobee once this battle was over.

それにしても、〝繁栄(アルタ)〟──か。
ラミリスがコレを持っていたから、迷宮が富を生み出したのだろうか？
それとも、単なる偶然か？
ラミリスの迷宮にはゲームの筐(きょう)体(たい)とかも流れ着いていたみたいだし、意外と〝繁栄(アルタ)〟の恩恵に与(あずか)っていたのかも知れないね。どちらにしろ調べてみたいので、この戦いが終わったら、クロベエと一緒に研究してみようと思ったのだった。


Here is the Collab story:


And here is the raws:
 
Eikichi_Sensei said:
No, I'm referring to the negative energy that is the void, used in the Void Collapse.

It's the void that has no information, that is neither existence nor non-existence (other voids do contain information).
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cmiiw. in vol 22 testa combined nothingness with Nihility Energy. so TN should be above/different than normal nothingness no?

 
PrimeHydra64 said:
The Ramiris thread reminded me that the April Fools Pac-Man collab is canon lol

Even so, "[Prosperity][Alta]"──is it?
Could it be that the labyrinth produced wealth because Ramiris had this?
Or is it just a coincidence?
It seems that game [casings] [body] [body] and other things had also washed up in Ramiris's Labyrinth, so perhaps they had unexpectedly benefited from the blessings of "[Prosperity] [Alta]". Either way, I wanted to investigate, so I thought I would try researching it with Kurobee once this battle was over.

それにしても、〝繁栄(アルタ)〟──か。
ラミリスがコレを持っていたから、迷宮が富を生み出したのだろうか？
それとも、単なる偶然か？
ラミリスの迷宮にはゲームの筐(きょう)体(たい)とかも流れ着いていたみたいだし、意外と〝繁栄(アルタ)〟の恩恵に与(あずか)っていたのかも知れないね。どちらにしろ調べてみたいので、この戦いが終わったら、クロベエと一緒に研究してみようと思ったのだった。


Here is the Collab story:


And here is the raws:
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Fuse slowly trynna make games canon to ln, trust 🔥
 
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