GRACE CONCLUDED [11-0-0] Can't be Tier 1 (yet)? Beat a tier 1ᵢₙ cₕₑₛₛ! - LN Rimuru Tempest vs Comics' Doctor Doom

[Nonynho]

i wished for tinier letters but it's fine

Chess match, Simple and Clean, this time! Would put Anos here but i got lazy and will attempt this one instead, that shouldn't be affected by pretty much no reforms

• Both sides have acess to an SSD with all Chess books ever written up until 2026
• Rimuru has 20s of prep and Sorcerer Supreme Doom has 2 days of it (or whatever period would be needed for Doom to accomplish 1-A; Speed unequal)
• They are playing at home in chess.com with a neutral arbiter beside each (for flavoring sake, Le Batteur is beside Rimuru and Le Juge is beside Doom)
  • Their PC have 1Gbps ethernet connection and 64gb of RAM
  • They'll play a best of 3
  • In the first game, they'll both open with the Bongcloud

True Dragon and Leader of the Tempest Jura Nation: @Nonynho, @Eseseso, @Mido02, @Ferno1234, @AlexSamDen, @DemonicDude, @BlackDarkness679, @Incomprehensibleexistence, @Pluto321, @Rgerdeena, @AstraphelNoctis4

Sorcerer Supreme and Monarch of Latveria...ᵃⁿᵈ ᴹᵃʳʸ ᴶᵃⁿᵉ'ˢ ˡᵒᵛᵉʳ:

Incon:

 

[Rgerdeena]

based on their profiles, mister fantastic is better at inventing, rimuru is better at everything else by a lot, considering the fact that how good you are at making technology isn’t super relevant to chess rimuru probably stomps, doctor doom would probably be better chess opponent for rimuru then mister fantastic

 

[Nonynho]

based on their profiles, mister fantastic is better at inventing, rimuru is better at everything else by a lot, considering the fact that how good you are at making technology isn’t super relevant to chess rimuru probably stomps, doctor doom would probably be better chess opponent for rimuru then mister fantastic

Reed is also an strategical individual, and being interested in winning he should (as the comics heavily imply from all i know) be at the same level as Doom
He also consistently defeated him, though not alone. I'll see if more people agree with ya and possibly change stuff

 

[Eseseso]

i wished for tinier letters but it's fine

Chess match, Simple and Clean, this time! Would put Anos here but i got lazy and will attempt this one instead, that shouldn't be affected by pretty much no reforms

• Both sides have acess to an SSD with all Chess books ever written up until 2026
• Rimuru has 20s of prep and Reed has 2 days of it (or whatever period would be needed for Reed to accomplish 1-A; Speed unequal)
• They are playing at home in chess.com with a neutral arbiter beside each (for flavoring sake, Le Batteur is beside Rimuru and Le Juge is beside Reed)
  • Their PC have 1Gbps ethernet connection and 64gb of RAM

True Dragon and Leader of the Tempest Jura Nation:

Ilumminati & Leader of Fantastic Four and Future Foundation:

Incon:

Doctor Doom has more strategic feats (I can DM you some examples) and is much more of a grand planner compared to Reed Richards.

 

[Nonynho]

Bet. I also asked for Ant's opinion but ig it'll end up being similar, if he responds me

Changing up and giving a small tweak

 

[Eseseso]

Bet. I also asked for Ant's opinion but ig it'll end up being similar, if he responds me

Changing up and giving a small tweak

Sounds good and I will DM you, but you may want to change the title and description now that Doom will be taking Reed's place.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Following
Waiting for the OP change rn

 

[Ferno1234]

Doctor Doom has more strategic feats

What about Tony?

 

[Eseseso]

What about Tony?

Good choice, but I feel like Doom is more of a chessmaster.

 

[Nonynho]

Sounds good and I will DM you, but you may want to change the title and description now that Doom will be taking Reed's place.

Following
Waiting for the OP change rn

Made some sorry-ass changes but now it should be fully adapted to Doom's participation here

 

[Nonynho]

What about Tony?

Not saying he's bad, but we can't deny that Doom's waaaaay more strategical and accomplished afaik

 

[Ferno1234]

Doom's waaaaay more strategical and accomplished afaik

The Iron Man slander is crazy, but regardless, Tony still destroys in a random confrontation

 

[Berga14]

Considering that this is a chess match, which aspects of a character intelligence are more important?
For me:

• Strategy
• Calculation speed
• Calculation "capacity" (like how many calculations you can do at the same time)

So we can compare the 2 characters specifically over these spects

 

[Nonynho]

The Iron Man slander is crazy, but regardless, Tony still destroys in a random confrontation

Definetely it'd be a cool match if it was doable, but in a chess match Tony is in Reed's position if you think about it hard enough


going back to the match, can we say Incon? Both are definetely able to solve chess, for starters

 

[AlexSamDen]

going back to the match, can we say Incon? Both are definetely able to solve chess, for starters

Per his weakness section, Doom is arrogant and might even purposely lose a game due to that, so I'd go Rimuru 2-1

Also, what's the ruleset btw?

 

[Rgerdeena]

Per his weakness section, Doom is arrogant and might even purposely lose a game due to that, so I'd go Rimuru 2-1

Also, what's the ruleset btw?

If they have SBA mindset then he won’t lose on purpose, if they have normal mindsets doom would still probably not lose on purpose because he’d want to prove he’s smarter then rimuru

 

[AlexSamDen]

If they have SBA mindset then he won’t lose on purpose,

That's why I asked for the ruleset

if they have normal mindsets doom would still probably not lose on purpose because he’d want to prove he’s smarter then rimuru

Why would he care? He knows nothing on him

 

[Rgerdeena]

Why would he care? He knows nothing on him

Because if he cared enough to enter the chess match in the first place then he wouldn’t immediately give up, and it probably wouldn’t take him long to figure out that rimuru’s smart enough to be worth his time

 

[AlexSamDen]

Because if he cared enough to enter the chess match in the first place then he wouldn’t immediately give up,

I kinda suspect they didn't have much choice

and it probably wouldn’t take him long to figure out that rimuru’s smart enough to be worth his time

Even a single wrong or slightly careless move will cost him the first game

 

[Nonynho]

Also, what's the ruleset btw?

Regular chess match, idk what else to tell ya ;-;
it's not blitz or something alike

Per his weakness section

Why would he care?

Doom kinda wants to prove he's superior to any lifeform, if i'm not crazy wrong?
Also, yeah, per SBA he could maybe feel like some risky gambits to try and assess what would be Rimuru's playstyle, but i don't see him losing a full game on purpose for this reason
If so, yeah, Rimuru is taking this 2-1, 100.000%

 

[Eseseso]

Doom would sense Rimuru's magic and know that he's not some muggle who can be underestimated.

Doom's arrogant, but he respects powerful magicians.

And Doom would probably let a bunch of pieces be taken just as part of his long game.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Doom would sense Rimuru's magic and know that he's not some muggle who can be underestimated.

How’s he going to sense the magic of someone he’s playing against on chess.com

 

[Eseseso]

How’s he going to sense the magic of someone he’s playing against on chess.com

Ah forgot that, nvm lol.

But anyways, he's going to realize after a few moves that Rimuru isn't messing around.

 

[Nonynho]

And Doom would probably let a bunch of pieces be taken just as part of his long game.

this can cost him dearly as Rimuru is relentless and also a very cunning strategist who, much like him, solved chess

I'm starting to incline towards @AlexSamDen's line and think Rimuru is taking this

 

[Rgerdeena]

this can cost him dearly as Rimuru is relentless and also a very cunning strategist who, much like him, solved chess

Doom isn’t going to let the peices be taken for no reason, he would sacrifice pieces in ways that in the long run benefit him, for example he’d pretend to not be very good at chess by losing a few peices in ways that could have been avoided and their sacrifice offers no benefit to him and then do some stuff that can be either dumb or smart depending on what you do after it and since doom did dumb stuff earlier rimuru would think that doom’s still being dumb and would subsequently fall into doom’s trap allowing doom to win the first game, that exact strategy probably isn’t the exact thing he’d do since his actual strategies would be too complicated for real people to understand but you get the idea

 

[Ferno1234]

Good choice

Is there per chance, a marvel comics discussion thread? Or nah?

 

[Ferno1234]

can we say Incon? Both are definetely able to solve chess, for starters

Doom is definitely up there, but i don't recall him having a computational prowess comparable to that of Rimuru's

 

[Eseseso]

Doom is definitely up there, but i don't recall him having a computational prowess comparable to that of Rimuru's

Just from his profile:

His brain is faster than the world's most advanced computers, and even in his college years, he was smarter than his professors and revolutionized computer science simply because the computers available could not keep up with him. He can easily reprogram robots far more advanced than normal humans would be able to comprehend, and has even reprogrammed Ultron to be completely loyal to him. At one point, though the knowledge was later lost to him, Doom even learned how to create his own Cosmic Cube. Understanding Hyperstorm's advanced technology was a simple matter for him, and he's also a practiced brain surgeon. He also mastered the secrets of Vibranium, which not even Wakanda and T'Challa could accomplish. His consciousness was vast and powerful enough to download a planet’s worth of data.

In one Squirrel Girl comic, he literally created his own programming language.

 

[Ferno1234]

His consciousness was vast and powerful enough to download a planet’s worth of data.

I knew of the other feats, but damn, I'm surprised that he's this capable

 

[Eseseso]

I knew of the other feats, but damn, I'm surprised that he's this capable

To be more precise, he withstood having the knowledge and data of an entire planet entering his mind, as well as the data of the entire alternate reality filling his conscious and subconscious.

(Source in link)

 

[Nonynho]

Is there per chance, a marvel comics discussion thread? Or nah?

yes!

As for the rest, i'll be properly answering later

 

[AlexSamDen]

To be more precise, he withstood having the knowledge and data of an entire planet entering his mind, as well as the data of the entire alternate reality filling his conscious and subconscious.

(Source in link)

To be fair, that's not a lot for a SG

 

[Nonynho]

To be more precise, he withstood having the knowledge and data of an entire planet entering his mind, as well as the data of the entire alternate reality filling his conscious and subconscious.

(Source in link)

Rimuru can do that too, comprehending an infinite space in a finite time, for starters

Would Doom read the books to dominate chess rules completely or would he solve chess raw, by reading all possibilities in the moment? As Rimuru would consume the books and get the knowledge, this could make a big diff, since it is possible to beat a chessbot that solves chess in the way above (the craziest stockfish possible, as an example) by being skilled enough like Rimuru would become by eating the books lol.

As Doom is arrogant af, i think he wouldn't read them books and that would get Rimuru to 2-1 him. Won't cement the vote yet cuz i'll wait for confirmation if that would be the case, but depending on his behaviour, i'll be voting Rimuru for basically this reason

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Even Great Sage could analyze infinite Data in a finite time.

He also has access to "all of creation." That grants the user, and I quote

Allows the user to gain information about any non-concealed phenomena, as long as it is perceivable to the user and the user has a basic understanding of it

So he would practically have all the knowledge in the world about Chess, while having basically an AI that's so advanced it can create an almost perfect replica of everything. And that is just the start...

Yeah, I think Rimuru takes this...


Also, what key for Rimuru are we even using?

 

[Nonynho]

Also, what key for Rimuru are we even using?

Per SBA, most powerful of both so ig White-Cloak Doom Sorcerer Supreme*** vs Last key Rimuru

 

[Nonynho]

Also, what key for Rimuru are we even using?

screwed up for Doom in my last comment as the Doom i mentioned is Nigh-Omniscient
It's the Sorcerer Supreme one

But Rimuru is the last key

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

screwed up for Doom in my last comment as the Doom i mentioned is Nigh-Omniscient
It's the Sorcerer Supreme one

But Rimuru is the last key

Then to me it seems like it's a complete stomp for Rimuru in intelligence....

She could easily calculate all possible actions in chess, thus making Rimuru unable to lose.... (at worst it will be a draw, as theory dictates that would be a perfect game...

 

[Nonynho]

Then to me it seems like it's a complete stomp for Rimuru in intelligence...

It fortunately does not reach this level, but Doom can't make any mistakes to have a chance here, which he won't be doing many of since the guy is a crazy good strategist too

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It fortunately does not reach this level, but Doom can't make any mistakes to have a chance here, which he won't be doing many of since the guy is a crazy good strategist too

Thats the key part, a single mistake is enough for Ciel to capitalize and win, if he doesn't make a single mistake it's a draw.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Rimuru can do that too, comprehending an infinite space in a finite time, for starters

Would Doom read the books to dominate chess rules completely or would he solve chess raw, by reading all possibilities in the moment? As Rimuru would consume the books and get the knowledge, this could make a big diff, since it is possible to beat a chessbot that solves chess in the way above (the craziest stockfish possible, as an example) by being skilled enough like Rimuru would become by eating the books lol.

As Doom is arrogant af, i think he wouldn't read them books and that would get Rimuru to 2-1 him. Won't cement the vote yet cuz i'll wait for confirmation if that would be the case, but depending on his behaviour, i'll be voting Rimuru for basically this reason

He’s arrogant but he’s normally willing to use his own computers to analyze stuff and I’m fairly certain that his computers could solve chess nearly instantly and tell him everything