| Mash Burnedead {31 kilotons}: 6 (Detective Blizzard (presumably), AnAverageUsername (presumably, has not explicitly placed in a vote yet), Brutelho, Epiccheev, Sooshirohl, Kisaragi_Megumi | Shujinko {7.33 kilotons}: 3 (Naito-desu, Nonynho, Rex_Eckles (presumably)) | Incon: 0 |
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Yeah, basically think about every MK character ever and think that he can do what they do but it's better at it.
Yeah so composite-Mortal Kombat the character, that sums it up well
Well as evident by his whole conception as a character, Mash is a brawler. He has no magic, and thus relies on his fists. He's no slouch when it comes to skill, as even seeing a technique once lets him eventually counter it well enough to call it "child's play". This is consistent when he's able to fight against his eldest brother Doom, who was stated by their father to be able to counter anything he sees it once. Mash was able to dodge Doom's sword swings by prediction, continuing to do so even after his brother got twice as fast, and only lost because of Doom's mirror magic, letting him flip his movements instantaneously.
Cool, Shujinko has performed real similar before
When traveling in MK Deception Konquest mode, Shujinko met Kabal, whose whole gimmick is to blitz everyone and he could also beat him with ease and learn his game, so they seem to be on pair here too, though this mirror magic shouldn't be working in Shujinko for some reasons
Ok, this won't be helping much against Shujinko, since the guy can (and will) TP (either by Raiden's way or Noob's), get intangible and/or counter eventual moves by leaving a freezing clone. All those moves can be used to punish which is a very common mechanic throught MK and with him surpassing some of the most punishing bosses like Shang Tsung and Shao Khan, it wouldn't be surprising if any move was punished if his prediction failed, which is plausible since you pointed out before, a counter move proc'ing normally
What if Kabal was always a bum
True, but the thing is that Mash's senses help him out when it comes to punishments. Such as when he was about to face his father Innocent Zero in the air, ready to kick him. However, thanks to Mash's beast-like instincts, he was able to detect and back away from Innocent Zero's aura of death. Mash also has budget ultra instinct, where he can keep reacting even with his brain disconnected due to his muscles sensing danger.
I mean, I kinda doubt Mash could survive AZ to start adapting in the first place
I still don't think it would be a good call, considering Mash never fights them, but-
Pretty sure the Ice Visionary has a statement of Absolute Zero, so I wouldn't put the possibility out of the question.
Breaking it is also good I would say, he can probably utilize air pressure since he does so near the end of the story
Yeah I never meant to imply that he'd become outright immune, just reaching a point where his body just starts instinctively breaking the stuff resulting in it becoming useless.
which is not large
That is cool but he also has his amps and reacted pretty well to Kabal's who consistently blitzes a whole lot of the cast
Also true for Shujinko who isn't just copying without nothing else
His only L makes no sense against Mavado's b**** ass, 100% PIS, with that being more clear by the guy simply brutalizing his ass even though Mavado had his weapons.
This gives him something, sure, but there's still no answer to most of the kit, including Intangibility, which may give trouble to his senses since he doesn't have NPI
This may help against projectiles, but not against Ice Klones who'd just proc if Mash himself hit them
lol, yeah, no.
...Going by the profile, this is indeed out of question (one of the problems of using outdated profiles ig).
Pretty sure the Ice Visionary has a statement of Absolute Zero, so I wouldn't put the possibility out of the question. I mentioned Mash using items since that's the far more likely approach he'd take (bros in Kamurocho, there's literally an abundance of random stuff random brawlers use to throw) but the possibility of Mash adapting through the ice and just breaking it (or just punching so hard the ice clone breaks from air pressure before the fist lands) isn't 0%
tbf, Shujinko is not the most projectile-oriented kombatant and nothing about his kit instantly freezes opponents with a punch, it's either the projectile hitting or the opponent hitting the clone left behind in an Afterimage Creation style that completely freezes the opponent
Shujinko has of sheer, condensed experience more than Mash has of lifetime
It kinda is. At a baseline its already a 4.2x difference in AP, the caveat being that Mash's feat was done with a casual backhand. Now imagine him going full throttle.
Which shouldn't be too likely with Mash's aforementioned supernatural senses being able to guide him away from instant demise without even the slightest clue on what's going on.
As both are growing and adapting to one another, just kinda
By testing breaking the clones with objects, his senses may be fooled, that's also a reason why i pointed out that he has a problem by doing that, which seems to be IC
Still a 4x advantage which only grows higher as Mash grows
The problem is Mash has the exact same thing, with a better variety of amps, and other factors that make it far easier for him to use it (like his instantaneous explosive attacks, allowing even the smallest of hits to still hit just as hard). While there are similarities, Mash just has better options in this regard when operating at the same level
Not to Mash's level, this is literal "I picked up a sword and mastered the combat style" type of nonsense.
Again, Mash can counter the klones by simply destroying them before his fist lands through a myriads of ways. Also the clones aren't a passive trait, if bro is caught lacking then he's getting hit. As for the martial arts..... while it does help, Mash's fighting style doesn't revolve around any as it's just adaption in the purest form. He's literally making up new moves to counter whatever Shujinko is trying to pull off, like how Mash decided to just invent underground boomerang physics out of nowhere.
No, Mash does have it on the profile in the form of reactive evolution. Bro is listed as just gaining new resistances through evolving mid-fight.
But the levels are entirely different, in terms of adapting and copying. Mash, again as a literal infant, is mastering things that are at the pinnacle of their respective branches. While that is inferior from an experience end, it's far superior in an actual skill end, with Mash's fighting style just being a natural counter due to the fact it's not a real style. Mash has specific moves but the grand bulk of them are literally just stuff he made up on the spot, something Shujinko can't adapt to until Mash has already done so.
Again, Mash's senses would prevent this. There is a literal 0% chance he ever thinks that because Mash's thought process is highly simple in approach. He'd know it's a bad idea to touch them and seeing them break apart (and keep the items unaffected) would be all he needs to start doing insane projectile/air pressure stuff in order to keep the fight in his favor. Bro is going to be ricocheting projectiles off the clones just to land more attacks
As pointed out by Blizzard, it's still a 4x gap in stats, with Mash's being uber-casual. If Shujinko is hit, he's getting the air knocked out of him hard
I dont know what you mean by IC, but I doubt Mash would be fooled when it's his own muscles screaming at him "danger! Danger!". And Mash would trust his muscles over anything else.
Don't see ease-to-use being a factor here since Shujinko's amp is easy to use too, and does not impede other techniques of his, so variety of options is not something here too
Shujinko is basically doing this too, he copies and mimics while just letting stuff happen and also in a matter of seconds
If his senses already detected that the clones gave no problem to objects, why would they detect problems with punches?
Didn't understand.
As Shujinko is copying/mimic-ing just by being there with him, he will also be doing the same lol
ngl you just defined feint.
Yeah but he'd need a feat for something similar to resist AZ (or, likely, even colder than AZ)
The guys he copies are this, the pinnacle of each style lol
i think this is not 100% impossible that there's a cutscene where they TP, but you also gotta remember the limitations of the era of the midway games were released
In Character
As pointed out before: Wouldnt his senses not be alerting him since he just wrecked the clone with an object before and nothing happened?
i am indeed missing your inputs here mate, going according to all my knowledge here but yours is very welcome ngl!
It's less about gameplay mechanics in my opinion and more so "can they concentrate to do their stuff while getting their brain knocked around in their skull"
I wouldn't think so. Mash's senses boarder the line between physical and supernatural. Again, just being near the "you will die" aura set his senses off. Plus he can just know how dangerous an enemy is by passing them, like how he judged Margarette.
Pretty sure the Ice Visionary has a statement of Absolute Zero, so I wouldn't put the possibility out of the question. I mentioned Mash using items since that's the far more likely approach he'd take (bros in Kamurocho, there's literally an abundance of random stuff random brawlers use to throw) but the possibility of Mash adapting through the ice and just breaking it (or just punching so hard the ice clone breaks from air pressure before the fist lands) isn't 0%
Uhhh I dont think you wanna say that
Hey, gotta find someone to slander.
No, I mean its a slur
Again, it's not the same thing since Mash's stuff is allowing far better heights. Even the most casual hit is going to be the same as him getting a clean gut shot, alongside him just going to much higher heights as he's blitzing someone who's blitzing him.
No, it's not. Mash's skill in that regard isn't just from copying and mimicking someone, he straight up makes it up all on his own. That's an entirely different level and he's mastering stuff without even knowing about it.
Mate, his senses are the entire reason why he knows there's something dangerous about the clones. Him destroying them without touching them is simply the most straightforward solution Mash has to dealing with them. Him discovering a work around isn't just going to make him forget that they are still dangerous to touch, and even if that somehow did the same senses and instinctive actions are going to warn him against it anyway.
Mash can surprise attack people with much better senses, even when they were looking right at him. Since ice clones aren't passive, they wouldn't activate is he is caught off-guard from Mash somehow appearing out of thin air despite being hit just a moment ago.
But that's the key word that brings the biggest weakness, he's copying and mimicking. Mash however is inventing, Shujinko wouldn't be able to keep up with Mash's style of fighting because its one that's constantly changing, while he will learn from Mash's past moves he won't be able to do the same to the future attacks until Mash has already used them, which at that point is too late.
No this is borderline teleportation/afterimage levels of it. Mash is doing this to such a point that not even his clothes realized he had removed them and moved behind his opponent mid-strike
Mash is doing this to characters who, while weakened, could still sense entire fight happening kilometers away.
Hence why I said it was only a chance, Mash just destroying the clones is the far more likely approach
Yes, except Mash is achieving these levels naturally with no reference point. When Shujinko copies one thing from Mash he's just going to be hit with a completely new mastery of something else entirely that Mash made up at that moment. Quality is in Mash's clear favor as he's reaching these levels before he's even capable of walking.
It is? i thought it was wordplay on "didn't do nothing"
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Honestly yeah that's also pretty likely, Mash has a very good record for just forcing a stamina battle through constant ability use. So if both are just constantly using their adaption and powers, Mash is going to force him to fall first considering he easily out-pained a pain-transferal skill
It has its own page on sites detailing hate speech, yeah
Yeah, when it comes to pain tolerance, Mash is a MK character. This is the same kid that took a massive ass trident through his torso and shook it off like it was nothing
whole body afaik
