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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

What current CRT’s are in progress for Star Wars?




 
Or it could be higher, you didn't calculate it so you don't know.
I can guess.

Even if that comet was going half the speed of light and was stopped in time to cross only 1% of the galactic radius that still means a time division on the order of 10^10. And then another division on the order of 10^4 for all the Jedi.

Largest comet ever has a diameter of ~140 km, mass of ~10^17 kg. Which gives a GBE on the order of 10^20 J. Which gives a final result on the order of 10^6 - 10^7 J for each Jedi. Edge of Tier 8 and 9.

You would need to assume the comet has a GBE a thousand times greater than the largest comet ever discovered for it to even scratch Tier 7.
 
You said that Venator's calculation was tier 7, only to later say that it wasn't, and also that it wasn't even possible to calculate.

In other words, you've lied before.
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I said that Venator explosion wasn’t an anti-feat for Tier 7 because it could be Tier 7 itself.

I never said it wasn’t Tier 7, and what does a feat not being precisely calculable without heavy assumptions have to do with that??
 
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I said that Venator explosion wasn’t an anti-feat for Tier 7 because it could be Tier 7 itself.

I never said it wasn’t Tier 7, and what does a feat not being precisely calculable without heavy assumptions have to do with that??
You yourself said it would be tier 7, but then you said it wasn't.

So I don't trust your assumptions until they're actually calculated.
 
You yourself said it would be tier 7, but then you said it wasn't.

So I don't trust your assumptions until they're actually calculated.
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Dude, what are you actually talking about.

I said the Venator explosion wasn’t Tier 9. I never said it was guaranteed to be Tier 7.
Neither the explosion from a destroyed Venator nor a fuel depot explosion are Tier 9. Pretty sure I saw a Tier 7 calc for the latter too.

And the key point here is consistency. Sure you can handwave a few anti-feats away as outliers if you have numerous feats above them, but if it is the opposite (a single dubious Tier 6 calc and multiple Tier 7 or below feats and anti-feats) it ain’t the anti-feats that become outliers.

I never said it wasn’t Tier 7 either, just that we can’t know exactly where it places.
Don’t think that one is really calculable since it is pretty much impossible to know what portion of the explosion was actually focused down the hallway Anakin blocked (also since we don’t know how far along the internal explosions were getting at that point since so much of it is obscured off-screen).

In other words you need to lie to accuse me of lying.
 
Largest comet ever has a diameter of ~140 km, mass of ~10^17 kg. Which gives a GBE on the order of 10^20 J. Which gives a final result on the order of 10^6 - 10^7 J for each Jedi. Edge of Tier 8 and 9.
These numbers seems kinda low for the commet as it was stated to be capable of carving a path through the core worlds meaning several planets not just one. This is also how it looked after:

1000
 
These numbers seems kinda low for the commet as it was stated to be capable of carving a path through the core worlds meaning several planets not just one. This is also how it looked after:

1000
Uh your image isn’t working (at least on my screen).

And while I can point out a high speed object could do a lot of damage like that via high speed instead of mass, sure let’s offer the benefit of the doubt and assume it is much larger than the largest IRL comet.

We know it has to be smaller than a planet since it is stated that its debris field fell into orbit around the planet Akiva. For that to happen it would have to be of lower mass than the planet it is orbiting else-wise it would fall into orbit around the system’s star and destabilize the orbit of the planet rather than the other way around. And usually such ring systems are only tiny fraction of the mass of the planet (for example Saturn, with the largest ring systems in the Solar System, has 5 million times the mass of its orbiting rings).

Even if we assume it is a thousand times the GBE of the largest comet it only scratches Tier 7 (and that is only with the rather generous assumption for the stopping distance and speed).

Due to the lack of concrete information on the above variables you can play around with it a lot, but even with some very generous assumptions it simply isn’t going to get to Tier 6 without some truly creative stretches.
 
Some scans of the Knights of Ren.


Take a look.

That thing about Legends Kinetite or something like that is mentioned.
 
Even though the Knights of Ren are considered trash by Force User standards, one of them manages to defeat a Dark Trooper.
 
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Computer modeling showed the lasers’ twin collimating beams racing away from the Star Destroyer. Then, captured by gravity, the beams become one, changing vector and accelerating beyond lightspeed as it disappeared into the mask’s churning accretion envelope.

- Catalyst Novel
If we were to use the Death Star's laser to compare with other lasers, the lasers in Star Wars would be FTL.
 
Does this link to the image work? Otherwise it can also be found in the Star wars Kinro wiki page.
Nope, but I got it to work by replacing the “static” to “vignette” in the link.

Isn’t really a reference object in view, but yeah looks decently big (good justification for using a size larger than the largest IRL comet) but hard to really vindicate a size nearly massive enough to really justify anything approaching Tier 6.
 
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If we were to use the Death Star's laser to compare with other lasers, the lasers in Star Wars would be FTL.
Okay, I started separating things from the Force Page.

I created the Untrained and Initial Jedi tabs.


I'll still keep a small, separate P&A section for Rare Force Powers.

Simply because not everyone knows this concept or is aware of it. For example, Force Healing being a rare.


Any opinions?
so?
 
me last
 
I skimmed through the Emergence CRT, and I need context. I've seen the feat described several different ways according to different people. Was this a collective effort by the entire Jedi Order?
 
I skimmed through the Emergence CRT, and I need context. I've seen the feat described several different ways according to different people. Was this a collective effort by the entire Jedi Order?
The feat in the calc was done by 4 jedi who slowed the emergence down by atleast 1% so the ship could catch and reel in the emergence stopping it from hitting the moon.
 
I find it somewhat unbelievable that out of dozens and dozens of guidebooks and encyclopedias, the Force Barrier is only mentioned once in terms of how it works?

It says that the user manipulates the atmosphere to create a bubble. What would that mean? Should I replace the Forcefield with Air Manipulation?

It seems to be a very strong air manipulation to be capable of stopping blasters and lava.

Any opinions?

EDIT: Even though he's manipulating the atmosphere with telekinesis, does that count as a forcefield? What do you think?
 
Warning:

In my hunt for more scans, I discovered a new book.

The Star Wars Expert Guide.

Honestly, it has some good stuff about Force Powers and such. But I don't think I'll use anything from this book. Why?
he book contains content previously published in Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary (2015), Star Wars: Beware the Sith (2012), Star Wars: Battles for the Galaxy (2011), and Star Wars: Mysteries of the Jedi (2011).

Leland Chee is credited as a Lucasfilm Story Group adviser for the book's contents. However, he later stated he had not seen it before. He reasoned most of its contents therefore remained Star Wars Legends.
The book is from 2016, and it's a new book made with content from past books.

It even uses canon content from The Force Awakens. It also uses pre-2014 content.

This isn't a problem (using pre-2014 content), Disney has always done it. And whenever they do, the content is canon-appropriate.

For example: Star Wars Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force. There's a 2010 version and a 2018 version. Although the 2018 version uses a lot of recycled material from 2010, they still re-edited/updated it to fit the canon, even mentioning the bleeding crystals.

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The problem is that I don't think "The Star Wars Expert Guide" did that.
Leland Chee is credited as a Lucasfilm Story Group adviser for the book's contents. However, he later stated he had not seen it before. He reasoned most of its contents therefore remained Star Wars Legends.
I accessed it and read it, and it's true.

For example, the guide mentions artificial red crystals and not bleeding. Basically, it seems they didn't re-edit/update it like they did with other books.

For this reason, I PERSONALLY will not use the content of this book.
 
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