Ciri Vs Emily Kaldwin (But With Men) 3-0-0

[Arcker123]

The Wolf Vs The Crow​

Intro

• Eh. Since Emily vs Ciri wasn't a stomp, might as well do the mirror match​
• Geralt of Rivia Vs Corvo Attano​

Stipulations

• Speed Equal
• First Key Geralt​
• Geralt's Class 5 LS end will be used here​
• Optional Equipment allowed for both​
• SBA Otherwise​

Votes

The Witcher:

Incon:

The Royal Protector: @LegendariumOfLies, @Stillwinston, @Arcker123

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

What is stopping Corvo from going TimeStop GG?

 

[Arcker123]

Ap gap. He needs more esoteric wincons to seal the deal/stuff he wouldn't go to off rip, which gives Geralt time to respond.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Ap gap. He needs more esoteric wincons to seal the deal/stuff he wouldn't go to off rip, which gives Geralt time to respond.

What are their win-cons?

 

[Arcker123]

What are their win-cons?

Off the dome:

Corvo can

• Rip his soul out with the heart
• Sleep dart
• Possession sleep incap

Geralt

• Good old fashioned one shot with AP, assuming he hits a part Corvo can't regen

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Hm going with Corvo RN becasue Geralt really doesn't know how deal with Time Stop.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ap gap. He needs more esoteric wincons to seal the deal/stuff he wouldn't go to off rip, which gives Geralt time to respond.

What's the values for both? Corporate having an AP amp as well as a piercing weapon likely mitigates the difference

 

[Arcker123]

Corvo is .13 tons
Geralt is 1.9
Over ten times

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Corvo is .13 tons
Geralt is 1.9
Over ten times

Yeah, Corvo's AP amp combined with a bladed weapon should be enough to mitigate that gap. Geralt doesn't have a resistance to bladed attacks and his skin isn't supernaturally durable so one good slice to the throat is all corvo would really need.

 

[Arcker123]

Eh. Durability being ten times higher than the ap means Corvos only going to be doing paper cuts if that

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eh. Durability being ten times higher than the ap means Corvos only going to be doing paper cuts if that

That's all he'd need, a throat is not very thick

 

[Arcker123]

Geralt has low mid so that wouldn't work especially given the AP gap.

This wiki should really have a defined gap for tanking like it does one shotting

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Geralt has low mid so that wouldn't work especially given the AP gap.

This wiki should really have a defined gap for tanking like it does one shotting

Going by hisnprofile it's only low mid over time. It took him months to recover from being stabbed in the neck.

 

[Arcker123]

But he did you know, survive it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But he did you know, survive it

With medical care and months of recovery time

Hell, normal humans can survive that kind of damage

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Geralt has low mid so that wouldn't work especially given the AP gap.

This wiki should really have a defined gap for tanking like it does one shotting

Not really. He only survived due to immediate medical attention and healing potions, and he stilled needed full medical attention for priestess for weeks afterward.

 

[Stillwinston]

Voting Corvo here via using the heart on geralt, time stopping and slicing his throat over and over plus couldn't he use razorwires etc? Tbf if Geralt had prior knowledge/prep time I wouldn't put it past him to come up with smth to counter lol

 

[Arcker123]

Tbf, Geralt has a power null bomb that can negate magic

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Tbf, Geralt has a power null bomb that can negate magic

Corvo still has responses with his kit like the razor wire and plethora arrows. Not enough to put Geralt down, but more than enough to run the clock until the power null bomb wears off.

 

[Arcker123]

Hmm. I just remembered, Corvo has fought power null of that nature before (Overseer boxes, Broken Tom, the whalers bonecharms in the novel) and can just teleport out of the blast. Plus his natural skill, marksmanship and equipment have allowed him to fight magic enemies stronger than him even without powers. He also outranges by quite a bit and can legit snipe Geralt out with the gun or crossbow, or just trap the area with stun mines to ko him by using dark vision to precog his movements and the heart to study him

I'll get around to making a detailed bullepoint chain later.

 

[Arcker123]

Bump

 

[Arcker123]

Eh. Bump, and I guess I'll vote Corvo. Geralt doesn't really have anything Corvo hasn't dealt with and countered, eventually in his own game. Corvo honestly has way to many advantages.

For Corvo

• Time Stop makes him pretty much able to do whatever he wants with no counterplay
• Will pretty much be untouchable due to redirective blink allowing him to both Teleport and Time Stop indefinitely whilst aiming it
• His stealth will make him pretty much completely undetectable if he wants to be. Geralt's enhanced senses are things Corvo has ghosted through in his series. He can also just pickpocket Geralts equipment without him knowing (Did this to Daud, who has similarly crazy enhanced senses and instinctive action) and leave him with less equipment
• Will have the information advantage due to the Heart and Dark Vision allowing to see future movements and items
• Resists a lot of Geralts best hax (Time Slow, Sleep manipulation, Mind Manipulation), wheras the inverse is just not true
• Has ways of dura negging to get past the AP to Dura gap (Possession sleep manipulation, Heart Soul Rip (Though OOC), Stun Mines)
• Outranges and can easily outrange whenever with Blink or Possession

Geralt

• Can Oneshot
• Turtling with Quen will pretty much render Corvo unable to attack him conventionally. This would also counter Corvo just sniping him from range

I really only see Geralt winning only if Corvo takes the fight in the dumbest way possible and just gets a lucky one shot in in close quarters, or if Corvo doesn't realize he may need to dura neg. Not a stomp necessarily but very, very decisive based on what I know. Realistically, Corvo takes out Geralt without Geralt seeing him, much less having the opportunity to retaliate. He just has too many ways to neutralize Geralts options.

 

[Nonynho]

Is it a standard tactic for Corvo to start with TS? If so, this is a stomp, 100%.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Is it a standard tactic for Corvo to start with TS? If so, this is a stomp, 100%.

Not off rip no, he'd start with stealth and teleportation, and lean into his stronger abilities if/when he realizes Geralt is more than he can take down with just assassination techniques/if he's forced into CQC

Will say though, Corvo has a major a major advantage under SBA, he has both the means to know exactly where Geralt is and the skills to get the drop on him very easily

 

[Nonynho]

This feels really stompish, ngl

 

[Arcker123]

Eh. Its 50 50 for me ngl. Corvo is adaptable enough to where he would use it once he realizes how strong Geralt is in terms of ap, but then that gives Geralt the ability to one tap.

His Blink which is also very standard also has time stop.

This match is way more asymmetrical than Ciri and Emily

 

[Nonynho]

Eh. Its 50 50 for me ngl. Corvo is adaptable enough to where he would use it once he realizes how strong Geralt is in terms of ap, but then that gives Geralt the ability to one tap.

This match is way more asymmetrical than Ciri and Emily

Well, SBA determine that they'll start tens of meters away and in Central Park it is enough to get hidden, and from what the colleague above said, this is enough for him to decide using TS

So long as TS is an standard tactic that he uses soon, nothing that Geralt can do here

 

[Arcker123]

Well, SBA determine that they'll start tens of meters

Hundreds. Corvos max range is hundreds

 

[Nonynho]

Hundreds. Corvos max range is hundreds

yeeeaaaaahh...

Stomp/mismatch :/

 

[Arcker123]

Eh.

 

[CapWhiteRose]

I feel like Some are downplaying Geralt's survival when it comes to getting wounded he wasn't just slit across the throat it was described that "She slit your neck open quite thoroughly. One could see everything you have inside there" but anyways Geralt would know he is magic due to the medallion which Geralt would use his own and he could quite possibly freeze Corvo solid with a bomb, drain him of his life force with Yrdn, Stop all attacks by Corvo with Quen be they range with physical attacks or with magic ones, get rid of Corvo's magic with a Dimeritium bomb. Blind him Samum, may be able to posion him as he has resistance to some toxins but it doesn't say all on the source, Funny enough Corvo's biggest strength being stealth will give him away when he uses magic. I think Corvo's biggest (and only) wincon is timestop because Geralt can also amp his speed and reflexes as well as Corvo and Geralt has 10x ap advantage which he can amp higher with potions and weapons so Geralt just needs to hit him 1 time and it is pretty much over

 

[Arcker123]

which Geralt would use his own and he could quite possibly freeze Corvo solid with a bomb

Time stop blinked and thus dodged. He can also just windblast this away

drain him of his life force with Yrdn

See above

Stop all attacks by Corvo with Quen be they range with physical attacks or with magic ones,

Corvo can sill just rip out his soul if all attacks fail. Geralt also can't attack with omnidirectional quen iirc.

Blind him Samum

Whats this?

may be able to posion him as he has resistance to some toxins but it doesn't say all on the source,

His poison would need feats above instant KO or inducing debiliating burning sensation.

Funny enough Corvo's biggest strength being stealth will give him away when he uses magic.

He fights people who sense magic all the time and still stealths them casually.

Geralt has 10x ap advantage which he can amp higher with potions and weapons so Geralt just needs to hit him 1 time and it is pretty much over

Time stopping teleport...

 

[Nonynho]

Geralt is tremendously skilled, if it wasn't for the TS i'm pretty sure we'd be debating many other things

Can't this be closed, since it's such a mismatch?

 

[Arcker123]

Eh. Corvos more skilled

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Eh. Corvos more skilled

More skilled the a century old monster hunter that fought some of the worst monsters his verse has to offer and some of the most skilled knights?

 

[Arcker123]

Yep

 

[CapWhiteRose]

Time stop blinked and thus dodged. He can also just windblast this away

See above

Corvo can sill just rip out his soul if all attacks fail. Geralt also can't attack with omnidirectional quen iirc.

Whats this?

His poison would need feats above instant KO or inducing debiliating burning sensation.


He fights people who sense magic all the time and still stealths them casually.


Time stopping teleport...

Can't dodge Yrdn, its a glyph on the ground that once you step into you slowly begin to die, alt casted yrdn would hit Corvo with lightning bolts and get rid of any of his projectiles

Quen reflects half the damage back onto the Corvo if Corvo isn't careful he would accidentally kill himself on Quen (like attacking during a time stop where it's up)

It's pretty much a flash bang and induced blindness Corvo doesn't resist blindness

Stealthing past magic users doesn't equal stealthing past a magic detector

Corvo's only wincon

Geralt has fought teleporters All the time Corvo doing it isn't anything new to Geralt, also Geralt is stated to be the best swordsmen the North has ever seen, has nearly a century of experience fighting monsters, humans, and spell casters. Won a fist fight with a Striga, and beating all the other challengers in the fist fighting tournament.
Geralt having optional gear means he could be wearing The Bear school armor which gives him this "Damage dealt by Abilities involving the Quen Sign is increased by 200%" so if Geralt has Quen up and Corvo attacks he just dies

 

[Arcker123]

Can't dodge Yrdn, its a glyph on the ground that once you step into you slowly begin to die, alt casted yrdn would hit Corvo with lightning bolts and get rid of any of his projectiles

You can just, not step on it

Quen reflects half the damage back onto the Corvo if Corvo isn't careful he would accidentally kill himself on Quen (like attacking during a time stop where it's up)

A character with fast acting low mid regen wouldn't be killed by 1.5x their ap

It's pretty much a flash bang and induced blindness Corvo doesn't resist blindness

He knows how to fight flashbangs. Fodder have these in verse

Stealthing past magic users doesn't equal stealthing past a magic detector

Not my claim. Characters who Corvo finesse with stealth have magic detectors (Dauds void gaze for example) and still gets ******.

Geralt has fought teleporters All the time Corvo doing it isn't anything new to Geralt,

Corvos teleportation stops time.

also Geralt is stated to be the best swordsmen the North has ever seen,

Corvo reached this status across the entire world at 16 by winning the Blade Verbana.

has nearly a century of experience fighting monsters, humans, and spell casters.

Experience ≠ Skill. Corvo has fought all of these enemies in his verse.

Won a fist fight with a Striga, and beating all the other challengers in the fist fighting tournament.

How is this better than being stated to be the best martial artist in the world who knows various pressure point strikes? Even people Below Corvo like Daud were dominating fight tournaments undefeated as a decrepit and dying old man.

Geralt having optional gear means he could be wearing The Bear school armor which gives him this "Damage dealt by Abilities involving the Quen Sign is increased by 200%" so if Geralt has Quen up and Corvo attacks he just dies

Why would Corvo attack a Forcefield head on? And a character wouldn't get one shot by 3x their own AP.

 

[CapWhiteRose]

You can just, not step on it

A character with fast acting low mid regen wouldn't be killed by 1.5x their ap

He knows how to fight flashbangs. Fodder have these in verse

Not my claim. Characters who Corvo finesse with stealth have magic detectors (Dauds void gaze for example) and still gets ******.

Corvos teleportation stops time.

Corvo reached this status across the entire world at 16 by winning the Blade Verbana.

Experience ≠ Skill. Corvo has fought all of these enemies in his verse.

How is this better than being stated to be the best martial artist in the world who knows various pressure point strikes? Even people Below Corvo like Daud were dominating fight tournaments undefeated as a decrepit and dying old man.

Why would Corvo attack a Forcefield head on? And a character wouldn't get one shot by 3x their own AP.

He isn't omniscent he has no idea what Geralt signs do, this is still ignoring that if Geralt alt casted Yrdn Corvo just gets nailed by lightning bolts that attack faster than he can dodge

FIghting a random with a flashbang doesn't mean the same as a man with nearly a 100 years of training and experience using it

Their isn't anything on his page showing he stealthed past those who can detect magic 24/7

Teleporting by magically transporting yourself to another location and teleporting by stopping time and walking over their is still teleporting which Geralt has plenty of experience with

Traveling the world and beating everyone in a tournament isn't a feat?????

Again Corvo has no idea what it is he would just have to ASSUME it is a forcefield or it could be a spell to make him see better, or a magic bomb that's getting ready. He has no idea what it is

This is still ignoring that Geralt can one shot and amp his own speed, freeze him, Light on fire (maybe??? I don't see his resistance being high enough),

I think you are glazing Corvo's skill a bit too much as his own page Corvo "is a highly skilled swordsman who even at the age of 16 won the Blade Verbena, a swordsmanship tournament between the best swordsmen in the Isles" and "Even at an older age, Corvo is still considered the most skilled hand to hand combatant in the empire" He isn't the best in the whole world at least I don't see anything on his page saying that he is the best in the whole world
(apologies for the delay in the response I was at work and trying to use this site on mobile was the worse thing that has happened to anyone, anywhere, ever in the history of humanity)

 

[Arcker123]

He isn't omniscent he has no idea what Geralt signs do

So? This doesn't mean he'd just walk into his enemies ability. Magical traps and even regular hidden traps again exist in his verse and he easily finesses them.

this is still ignoring that if Geralt alt casted Yrdn Corvo just gets nailed by lightning bolts that attack faster than he can dodge

Outranged and he just wouldn't step in it anywho.

FIghting a random with a flashbang doesn't mean the same as a man with nearly a 100 years of training and experience using it

Experience isn't a feat. Corvo fights against an entire gang who specialize in using this kind of weapon, along with having them himself. His instinctive action would also counteract the blinding as he can still instinctively react to attacks he can't see (like teleports) by even minute sound.

Their isn't anything on his page showing he stealthed past those who can detect magic 24/7

Read the Daud page.

Teleporting by magically transporting yourself to another location and teleporting by stopping time and walking over their is still teleporting which Geralt has plenty of experience with

Uh no?

The ability to stop time when aiming gives a new dimension to the power. This is apples and oranges.

Traveling the world and beating everyone in a tournament isn't a feat????

Its not better than Corvo's. As again, even people inferior to Corvo did this while dying of old age.

Again Corvo has no idea what it is he would just have to ASSUME it is a forcefield or it could be a spell to make him see better, or a magic bomb that's getting ready. He has no idea what it is

I promise you. Its not hard to identify a forcefield. In essence, its a glowing shield. Why would he attack that head on?

This is still ignoring that Geralt can one shot

No one's ignored this. People just think Corvo can win first.

amp his own speed,

Corvo will be getting a speed amp upon Geralt even seeing him, so...

Light on fire (maybe??? I don't see his resistance being high enough)

Corvo resists vaporizing heat. Igni has no quantification and will just be dodged.

I think you are glazing Corvo's skill a bit too much as his own page Corvo "is a highly skilled swordsman who even at the age of 16 won the Blade Verbena, a swordsmanship tournament between the best swordsmen in the Isles" and "Even at an older age, Corvo is still considered the most skilled hand to hand combatant in the empire" He isn't the best in the whole world at least I don't see anything on his page saying that he is the best in the whole world

The Empire of the Isles is the entire (human) world in Dishonored. The planet is literally the 4 islands of the empire plus the pandyssian continent of monsters.