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Minecraft Steve Ressurection Removal

Ednaxel2 said:
Can you include a screenshot of the text and what page number it is?
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page 143 on my PDF
Also here the screenshot
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“I have said all this before and I will say it again. I hateyou, Fin. I hate you, Mo. I hate you more than the last timeI told you I hated you,” Grumpo began. “The ender dragon is the heart of this world. It beats in the center of the End,round and round in circles, steady as a pulse. Nothing works without ED. And since the beginning, humans have come questing after it. To find ED and kill it for no particular good reason other than that it is killable. Everytime my poor doggo dies, another one must be born. That cycle was perfectly acceptable. A world must have a heart. The ender dragon vanishes, an egg appears in its place,and a new ender dragon rises. But something as powerful and ancient and loyal to the Great Chaos who is its master does not die without leaving…a wake. Let’s call it that. When a ship passes by at great speed, the sea churns andripples after it as water is displaced and replaced again.That is what happens when the ender dragon dies. What is going to happen in about…oh, I would wager ten to fifteen minutes, give or take. A great wake pulses out from its body. It travels through the End like the tide. It touches everything and everyone. And it makes them forget. The world resets. What came before is gone. There is only the now.”
“Why? How can that be good for anyone?” asked Mo.
“Why does your body respawn when you die?” Grumpo shrugged as well as he could without shoulders. “It is how ED decomposes. You shouldn’t judge. You always were very judgey, Ultimo. It’s a nasty habit.”
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“You saw them. The cycle is getting worse. It’s evolving. It’s changing the laws of nature. Endermen use weapons and build armies and…apparently humans don’t respawn. I’m only here because of my totem, and here’s hoping I remember to grab another one on the next go-round. They should have woken up in their own beds. But you saw them.They were just lying there on the ground. Cold and quiet and gone. We can’t leave them like that. We just can’t. And you never know. Grumpo said they were new. Maybe this is what changes everything. Maybe this time it’s different.”
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The Respawn Mechanics are because of the cycle of Order and Chaos, apparently. So, in order to nullify Steve Immortality, you need both Concept Manip and Law Manip to do it.
 
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I strongly disagree with the idea of removing resurrection, since everything shows that it is Steve/player's ability.

I do, however, agree that we need to improve the description for it...
 
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Minecraft: walking to the Huge steps in updates

Okey, this will be fast, I think we should add Minecraft Marketplace (Aka DLC), Animations and the books that are in Mojang Official Shop, this will not affect the main key of Steve but gave many many many things to the Minecraft in itself, mainly new enemies and the player will have several new...
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The OP himself said that the books ARE NOT canon to Minecraft. Minecraft can be used to scale the books but the books can't be used to scale Minecraft. It's only one way.
 
AyOgUyS said:
The OP himself said that the books ARE NOT canon to Minecraft. Minecraft can be used to scale the books but the books can't be used to scale Minecraft. It's only one way.
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Yeah no, it is bit complicated really.

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Why this one? curious since it is a sub-company of Mojang Is it an actual sub-company, or a company that works closely with Mojang (a la Kobold Press)? I recognize that they present themselves as "Official Minecraft Partners", but this alone is not sufficient for them to be included.
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Minecraft revisions part 1

Steve (and others) should get the new Spear and the mace The spear mechanics is the more faster he goes, the more stronger it will hit, while the mace is the more high someone fall, the more powerful someone will hit, this allow people to one shot mobs like Warden, so both should be classified...
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The books also give context for some of the game mechanics, sure if we can expand Steve profile with an Extended Minecraft Universe Key.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Yeah no, it is bit complicated really.

The books also give context for some of the game mechanics, sure if we can expand Steve profile with an Extended Minecraft Universe Key.
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Are they published by Mojang and stated to be canon? Because not everything a company makes about a franchise is canon just because they published it.

I'm fine with a separate profile or key for books content tho.
 
Keeweed said:
It can’t be a property of the world, nothing else respawns. All the mobs are different mobs, when you name them and kill them the named ones don’t come back. Pets don’t respawn, and the Ender dragon needs to be manually resurrected
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So? The issue is that ANY player respawns when the world allows it and none respawn if it doesn't.

That still means it's an aspect of the world, just tinkered towards a specific kind of creature.

Both can be true at the same time.
Keeweed said:
Everything else in Minecraft dies but the player, who has direct video evidence that respawning is 100% canon
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Canon sure.
An ability of Steve specifically? No reason to believe so.
 
DavidTPPM said:
So? The issue is that ANY player respawns when the world allows it and none respawn if it doesn't.

That still means it's an aspect of the world, just tinkered towards a specific kind of creature.

Both can be true at the same time.

Canon sure.
An ability of Steve specifically? No reason to believe so.
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we may as well say every power is an aspect of the verse then
 
AyOgUyS said:
Are they published by Mojang and stated to be canon? Because not everything a company makes about a franchise is canon just because they published it.
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All of the Official Books are published by a single company under the license from Mojang.
  • Del Rey Books (2017 – 2022)
  • Random House Worlds (2023 – present)

Copyright © 2023 by Mojang AB. All rights reserved. Minecraft, the Minecraft logo, the Mojang Studios logo, and the Creeper logo are trademarks of the Microsoft group of companies.
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Minecraft has partnered with major global retailers and licensees including Uniqlo, LEGO, Mattel, Havaianas, Pottery Barn Kids, Jay Franco, Penguin Random House and more to create unforgettable products for our community.
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For its canonity:
Alex: Yeah, Minecraft Dungeons has an actual story for you to play through! But you decided you’d write a prequel to the events that you play.

Matt: There’s a good reason why it’s a prequel. I didn’t want to just tell the story, because as a player you’re telling your own story, and that’s half the fun of playing Minecraft Dungeons. If I tell that story in a novel it becomes the canon version, and nobody wants to be told they’re playing the game wrong. So instead, one of the best things you can do is to give more context to the game you’re going to be playing, right? To give you more reasons to care about what you’re doing. In a prequel I can show who you’re fighting against, why he’s a bad guy, and why the world is as it is; stuff that’s only given a few seconds in a cutscene.
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At least the Minecraft Dungeon novel is canon, I don't really know about the main game itself. But here is Bambu views:
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Minecraft: walking to the Huge steps in updates

Why this one? curious since it is a sub-company of Mojang Is it an actual sub-company, or a company that works closely with Mojang (a la Kobold Press)? I recognize that they present themselves as "Official Minecraft Partners", but this alone is not sufficient for them to be included.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
All of the Official Books are published by a single company under the license from Mojang.
  • Del Rey Books (2017 – 2022)
  • Random House Worlds (2023 – present)
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We can't confirm how much involvement Mojang says, seems too iffy for me
Rakih_Elyan said:
At least the Minecraft Dungeon novel is canon, I don't really know about the main game itself.
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Then that specific novel might be canon
 
In fact, Mojang very much interfere with Katheryn writing of the End. As she said during the interview.
So I wrote up this pitch document and I will say that my editor and Mojang were so supportive of what I wanted to do, it was such a pleasure to work with them. They had some changes – and I would say that the biggest changes made it a better book. I had a really dark enemy to begin with, the ending is much more upbeat now – and they never even questioned that! They were like “Yup, no problem!”
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AyOgUyS said:
because ki is a property of dragon ball
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Ki is not a property of dragon ball.

Also I'm not saying Steves resurrection is a property of "Minecraft verse" but specifically a certain type of worlds in Minecraft. The core issue is that in Minecraft itself Steve can't resurrect if a world is set a certain way. So a more accurate comparison would be if there was a world in DB where Goku can't use ki because it's settings are different, something that obviously isn't true
 
AyOgUyS said:
"an attribute, quality, or characteristic of something."

having ki is certainly a characteristic of dragon ball
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In what way is it a characteristic of dragon ball verse?

Because it looks like you're purposely using the word in a different way than me to create a false equivalence due to not actually having an argument against the fact Steves resurrection is entirely dependent on the setting of the world
 
AyOgUyS said:
ok so its just blatantly non-canon lol
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Rakih_Elyan said:
It was already addressed before; the article writer is not the Author, it is just a book review. Unlike the QnA with the Author of Minecraft Dungeon Book.
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Either way, Novels vary between each other, Max brook and a few books are canon use as secondary canon as i state in my last minecraft CRT, The end could be (which seems the case here) or just we added a extended canon key

Anyway, dunno why we are extending this if the main issue was solve, someone just should edit the profile and clarified Respawn is canon due this items
 
DavidTPPM said:
In what way is it a characteristic of dragon ball verse?

Because it looks like you're purposely using the word in a different way than me to create a false equivalence due to not actually having an argument against the fact Steves resurrection is entirely dependent on the setting of the world
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Ki exists in honkai btw
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
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Either way, Novels vary between each other, Max brook and a few books are canon use as secondary canon as i state in my last minecraft CRT, The end could be (which seems the case here) or just we added a extended canon key

Anyway, dunno why we are extending this if the main issue was solve, someone just should edit the profile and clarified Respawn is canon due this items
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Don't the Island and its two sequels take place in the real world where Minecraft is a video game?
 
DavidTPPM said:
In what way is it a characteristic of dragon ball verse?
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"a feature or quality belonging typically to a person, place, or thing and serving to identify it."
I would say ki is part of dragon ball's identity
DavidTPPM said:
Because it looks like you're purposely using the word in a different way than me to create a false equivalence due to not actually having an argument against the fact Steves resurrection is entirely dependent on the setting of the world
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hasn't proved settings are canon btw
 
DavidTPPM said:
In what way is it a characteristic of dragon ball verse?

Because it looks like you're purposely using the word in a different way than me to create a false equivalence due to not actually having an argument against the fact Steves resurrection is entirely dependent on the setting of the world
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In my opinion, it seems more that the world itself has the ability to restrict Steve/the player's resurrection, rather than that Steve is incapable of resurrection outside of that world.
 
AyOgUyS said:
"a feature or quality belonging typically to a person, place, or thing and serving to identify it."
I would say ki is part of dragon ball's identity
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So you're using it differently than I am, so the comparison is meaningless. This is just an equivocation.
AyOgUyS said:
hasn't proved settings are canon btw
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I never claimed they are and I don’t need them to be "canon".

Hell if settings aren't "canon" that just puts the canonicity of other difficulties into question on its own. Especially since cheats are allowed in the other difficulties and not in hardcore
 
EnderLord8 said:
In my opinion, it seems more that the world itself has the ability to restrict Steve/the player's resurrection, rather than that Steve is incapable of resurrection outside of that world.
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Sure but why would that seem more like it?
What about Steve/TP suggests he has some resurrection ability? He's effectively just a buff human not some resurrecting wizard. Hell actual wizards that want to avoid death themselves need items like ToU

To me it seems like the opposite is way more likely because the world already allows you multiple other things too. Things like not going hungry, using cheats, or even things like keeping inventory upon death can also be allowed by the world. So it clearly dictates pretty fundamental aspects of what you can do.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Hell if settings aren't "canon" that just puts the canonicity of other difficulties into question on its own. Especially since cheats are allowed in the other difficulties and not in hardcore
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Don't we scale assuming its normal mode? If not, then that needs to be fixed since normal mode is likely the intended setting.
 
Cheats are literally stated to be cheats (Ie not canon). I feel like the issue you are bringing up is innately trying to work backwards to say it’s not a power when no other character ever would do this. Steve revives, nobody else and nothing else does. It has to be Steve then because the world isn’t doing it. The guidebooks and animated trailers work off it not being hardcore and directly show them resurrecting. Hardcore just isn’t the canon mode simple as that, it’s purely a game challenge. In the same way journey mode isn’t canon to terraria.
 
Keeweed said:
Cheats are literally stated to be cheats (Ie not canon). I feel like the issue you are bringing up is innately trying to work backwards to say it’s not a power when no other character ever would do this. Steve revives, nobody else and nothing else does. It has to be Steve then because the world isn’t doing it. The guidebooks and animated trailers work off it not being hardcore and directly show them resurrecting. Hardcore just isn’t the canon mode simple as that, it’s purely a game challenge. In the same way journey mode isn’t canon to terraria.
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Actually they renamed Cheats to Commands a while back. Although I agree with almost everything else you said
 
I figure I might as well put down what I said in an earlier CRT to clarify how Minecraft "canon" works:
It should be noted that the novels (except for Rise of the Archillager, which ties directly into Dungeons, which is considered by Mojang to be pretty much true to/could be part of canon) don't take place in the main Minecraft universe. That being said, I still feel they can be used for the reasons you described, as well as for still contributing to the overall Minecraft mythos and worldbuilding, kinda like Story Mode, imo.
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So basically, even though the majority of the novels, like The End, or games like Story Mode, are non-canon in the sense that they didn't necessarily happen in every main Minecraft world, they are canon in the sense that they COULD be canon to them and do still contribute to the mythology and worldbuilding of Minecraft as a whole. As such, they are still usable as a pseudo-secondary canon, where, so long as they aren't contradicted by things directly part of the main "continuity" (in the sense of what is consistent across every Minecraft world,) they should still be fine to use as a "what if?" sorta deal.

The overall point is that, because there is no true "canon," everything (except for things like April Fools updates and the movie, which take a LOT of creative liberties with the worldbuilding and explicitly aren't trying to canonize anything) is canon.
 
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