Bowser 4-A Reality Warping Removal

[Dust_Collector]

Was gonna do this removal alongside a whole Bowser profile revamp but I'm 129 references and a half finished P&A section in so far so uh, that ain't happening anytime soon.

Basically Bowser turning Yoshi's island into a storybook dimension is only a thing in the english localisation, in the original JP story description he actually just sealed it away inside a picture book. Pretty straight forward, doesn't affect anyone else since nothing scaled to this in the first place. This also would remove Pocket Reality Manipulation from his powers and abilities, and the scan linked above can be added as another justification for his preexisting sealing ability already on his profile.

Another Mario downgrade smh when will bias of VSBW end and allow us to make them hyperversal via the string theory soup in Wario Land

 

[OrangeFR]

Agree

 

[Starsprite53]

Basically Bowser turning Yoshi's island into a storybook dimension is only a thing in the english localisation, in the original JP story description he actually just sealed it away inside a picture book.

Idk but...since the scan used for justification is from the game opening, shouldn't we use the opening's original translation instead? Saying it's only a thing in the english localisation is kinda a little bit misleading where it could actually be based on what's said in the opening.
I kinda see sealing instead tho, the opening in both versions can be interpretated as sealing in context, with or without the manual.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Idk but...since the scan used for justification is from the game opening, shouldn't we use the opening's original translation instead? Saying it's only a thing in the english localisation is kinda a little bit misleading where it could actually be based on what's said in the opening.
I kinda see sealing instead tho, the opening in both versions can be interpretated as sealing in context, with or without the manual.

Yeah the opening being vague (Moreso in the japanese version when I got it translated) is why I opted to just stick with the manual which was just more clear on what exactly Bowser did. Honestly even looking at the eng version I have no idea where it being a pocket dimension even came from. It just says the island was transformed into a storybook not some kind of dimension.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Basically Bowser turning Yoshi's island into a storybook dimension is only a thing in the english localisation, in the original JP story description he actually just sealed it away inside a picture book. Pretty straight forward, doesn't affect anyone else since nothing scaled to this in the first place.

So, should he have 4-A via sealing or what?

 

[Chariot190]

We don't give tiers via sealing. It's just range at best, and that's being generous.

 

[JPTheGamer]

We don't give tiers via sealing. It's just range at best, and that's being generous.

Well, that's a letdown...

@Dust_Collector Go ahead and count me as agree; I didn't expect it to stay that long, anyway.

 

[Starsprite53]

Honestly even looking at the eng version I have no idea where it being a pocket dimension even came from. It just says the island was transformed into a storybook not some kind of dimension.

Yeah, the same exact thing was said in the japanese version, "transformed into a storybook" can refer to being sealed within one depending on the context, which we have aka the japanese manual.

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

Seems simple and straightforward. I agree

 

[Dust_Collector]

bump

 

[JJSliderman]

More sealing justification in base at least

 

[Mephistus]

Yoshi's Story All Color guide (ヨッシー全百科) : 小学館 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Published by Shogakukan.

archive.org

Yeah, literally a book.

Dust's interpretation is fine by me.

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Seems self-evident to me, I agree.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Yeah the opening being vague (Moreso in the japanese version when I got it translated) is why I opted to just stick with the manual which was just more clear on what exactly Bowser did.

This is literally just not true, I got the japanese opening translated here and 2 people very clearly translated it as yoshis world got transformed/turned into a book world.

I believe this would be transmutation, and their world being transmutated into a book doesn't contradict the manual statement of them being trapped, because its trapped due to the entire world being transmutated into a book and is now confined within its pages and whatnot. So yeah reality warping should just be replaced with transmutation and be listed in the range part of the profile.

edit: you could make a case for it potentially being both transmutation AND sealing as mephistus suggested below, as its not only transmutated into a book, but also trapped within it as well as a byproduct of the transmutation making it confined to being within a book.

Yoshi's Story All Color guide (ヨッシー全百科) : 小学館 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Published by Shogakukan.

archive.org

Yeah, literally a book.

Dust's interpretation is fine by me.

This scan shows the world being poofed into a book on the bottom right panel, not them being sealed. this would further support this being transmutation.

 

[Mephistus]

This scan shows the world being poofed into a book on the bottom right panel, not them being sealed. this would further support this being transmutation.

Let's be greedy and say both
It says Yossi's island was "trapped" in the book here too?
Reddit did a translate.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Let's be greedy and say both
It says Yossi's island was "trapped" in the book here too?
Reddit did a translate.

i can actually see this as well, as its first transmutated into the book, but is also now also sealed within it as its confined to the insides of a book as a byproduct of the transmutation. i edited my reply above to take this idea into account.

irregardless though, bowser transmutating the world into a book world is still something that happened as well and should absolutely not be ignored.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Agree with 4-A reality warping staying based on the scan AlloyAmi posted. The sealing scan Dust brought up doesn't really contradict this tbh- his act of sealing also seemed to change the world

 

[Dust_Collector]

Why tf didn't I get notifications for this, I swear this site is held together with tape and prayers to every god of every religion.

Anyway if that's the more accurate translation I could be fine with indexing this as transmutation (Or maybe still as reality warping? Seems pretty complex for just transmutation), still iffy on the range being 4-A since it still uses terms like "Yoshi's World" instead of just saying the world or real world or whatever else. I know one of the stages has a normal background with stars which is different from the usual cardboard or stichings most other stages have, but given the backgrounds are just pages of said picture book I'd personally like something to say or more strongly imply that Bowser affected distant celestial bodies as opposed to them being part of the books aethestic.

 

[AlloyAmi]

At the opening we see the sun drooping due to what bowser did to the world. The level with the stars is supposed to be them climbing this tower high into the clouds in a nightime setting so it makes sense why the stars would be there. and the entire world was turned into a book, of course everything in its scenary is going to be literally turned into said book style. saying its just there for aesthestic would just be headcanon and ignores the fact that the entire world was turned into said thing to explain said art style.

 

[Dust_Collector]

My gripe is moreso with the wording of "Yoshi's World" being turned into the book, which is specific compared to just saying the world was turned into a book or something which could be seen as not much else beyond the island was affected. Granted I can see that being worded in the same vein as saying, I dunno, "Marios world was destroyed" or something if Mario was the only hero the story focused on.

Although if 4-A reality warping is kept I think it should also be specified to be enviromental destruction as well since he can't use this in a way related to AP.

 

[JPTheGamer]

On second thought, I'm gonna change my vote to neutral.

Although if 4-A reality warping is kept I think it should also be specified to be enviromental destruction as well since he can't use this in a way related to AP.

So, do we give him 4-A Environmental Destruction?

 

[AlloyAmi]

My gripe is moreso with the wording of "Yoshi's World" being turned into the book, which is specific compared to just saying the world was turned into a book or something which could be seen as not much else beyond the island was affected.

I think its just refering to yoshis world because thats the setting the game mainly focuses, the fact that cosmic bodies like the sun which should be wayyy farther at very minimum are shown affected in cutscene shows the range being far greater. We also directly see the sun being part of the storybook background here as well as in other levels to further prove the transmutation went that far.

Although if 4-A reality warping is kept I think it should also be specified to be enviromental destruction as well since he can't use this in a way related to AP.

i dont see how this is environmental destruction at all, but i also never suggested keeping reality warping in ap. i just suggested to list it as transmutation and sealing with range of that capacity.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I think turning several solar systems into a picture book world would fit better as reality warping then transmutation. If he turned it all into just a normal picture book no different then one you'd find at a kids book fair then I'd wager that as transmutation, but the world itself still acts like a real functioning place living beings can still safely live in despite being turned into cardboard and stiches and drawings and whatever else.

 

[AlloyAmi]

I think turning several solar systems into a picture book world would fit better as reality warping then transmutation. If he turned it all into just a normal picture book no different then one you'd find at a kids book fair then I'd wager that as transmutation, but the world itself still acts like a real functioning place living beings can still safely live in despite being turned into cardboard and stiches and drawings and whatever else.

wouldnt that just make it all 3 then? theyre still ultimately just things happening inside the page of a book due to what happened but everythings form was changed to be that of a picture book as well, which the page defining transmutation to be: "Transmutation is the ability to alter the form of energy, beings, objects, matter, etc. to change it into something else."

 

[IDK3465]

I think turning several solar systems into a picture book world would fit better as reality warping then transmutation. If he turned it all into just a normal picture book no different then one you'd find at a kids book fair then I'd wager that as transmutation, but the world itself still acts like a real functioning place living beings can still safely live in despite being turned into cardboard and stiches and drawings and whatever else.

Wouldn't that also mean that pocket reality manip should stay, given how it's still an entire functioning world being enclosed within the book?

 

[Dust_Collector]

wouldnt that just make it all 3 then?

Wouldn't that also mean that pocket reality manip should stay, given how it's still an entire functioning world being enclosed within the book?

Probs not, Bowsers not making it into a different dimension or anything he's just turned it into a book, nothing says or implies whatever he transformed into a picture book-esque world exists spatially seperate from the normal universe. He just turned like the solar system into a book and now that's just what that part of the universe is.

 

[IDK3465]

Probs not, Bowsers not making it into a different dimension or anything he's just turned it into a book, nothing says or implies whatever he transformed into a picture book-esque world exists spatially seperate from the normal universe. He just turned like the solar system into a book and now that's just what that part of the universe is.

So, are you saying that rather than that whole part of the universe literally being inside a book, it just looks like a picture book?

 

[Dust_Collector]

So, are you saying that rather than that whole part of the universe literally being inside a book, it just looks like a picture book?

This sounds weird but, both? It's hard to explain how I'd view it going by sites standards, we treat immersion and dimensional travel as two distinctly different things, being able to enter a world that's in / is a picture book would give you the former but wouldn't allow you to also travel to another dimension unless said world in the book is treated as a dimension...

...then again it's not a fictional world it's the real world just turned into a book so maybe it does count as pocket rrality manipulation? I dunno it's nearly midnight where I live so I'm tired and can't think straight lol I'm going to bed.

 

[AlloyAmi]

this scan shows it directly turning into a book btw.

 

[ItsMeat]

Agree