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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

PizzaDante67 said:
Orihime can bring an object or person to a state before it even existed so i’d say its either similar or better. And it is still causality manipulation after all.

But i think that we shouldn’t argue about that here and now. Someone will 100% make another shibai vs yhwach thread, once cour 4 finishes so we can continue this conversation there.
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Sure people just have different interpretation and it's valid for both sides tbh even though i know there is also a bit of agenda from both sides lol.

Hopefully by cour4 bleach will flesh out more feats and stuff and boruto manages to flesh out shibai's and his feats and whatever else is going on there.

Edit: regarding orihime's being better still don't think so, you are just talking about application, interms of scope and potency shibai's causality is definitely better.
 
Trihexa102 said:
Sure people just have different interpretation and it's valid for both sides tbh even though i know there is also a bit of agenda from both sides lol.

Hopefully by cour4 bleach will flesh out more feats and stuff and boruto manages to flesh out shibai's and his feats and whatever else is going on there.
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True true. I‘d be lying if i wasn’t somewhat „biased“ towards bleach, as it is one of my favorite pieces of media ever but it‘s not like i‘m saying that a bleach character would win against a boruto character just because he/she‘s from bleach.

I honestly only care about Bleach and Tensurs here on vsbw and have no intentions of downgrading or arguing against a possible upgrade for other verses.

And yeah, hopefully core 4 expands on alot of things. More info about shibai would also be yummy. Like damn man, gives us more about that dude😭at least afew chapters of him pre ascension etc
 
Tbh most of the abilities for Shibai seem made up lol
Omnipotence only rewrote memories as far as we know and it has limits because it can’t work on Otsutsuki.
 
M11UTD said:
Tbh most of the abilities for Shibai seem made up lol
Omnipotence only rewrote memories as far as we know and it has limits because it can’t work on Otsutsuki.
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not the same, it's like saying the almighty doesn't work on mimihagi or SK.
just because it was used to rewrite memories doesn't means thats all it can do, there are statements far beyond that.
 
Trihexa102 said:
not the same, it's like saying the almighty doesn't work on mimihagi or SK.
just because it was used to rewrite memories doesn't means thats all it can do, there are statements far beyond that.
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Soul King is the supreme god of the entire verse, he has a superior Almighty, and other casualty powers shown not to work on him.
Otsutsuki are an entire race and half of them don’t even make it to the top 10 strongest characters in naruto.
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Tips for Yhwach matches

1. No resistance against SC is instant stomp.
2. No way to stop his revives is gg.
3. Nothing against Almighty mechanics is gg.
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People were saying to wait for cour 4, but I'm not sure what that would change, I think the matchup will still be a stomp, and the higher key Shibai can't be used because of his HDE, I'm not sure if this matchup can every work
 
M11UTD said:
Soul King is the supreme god of the entire verse, he has a superior Almighty, and other casualty powers shown not to work on him.
Otsutsuki are an entire race and half of them don’t even make it to the top 10 strongest characters in naruto.
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what are you talking about? that's my point it's a power from SK which yhwach can't perceive.
pretty sure otsutsuki's rank among the top 10 in Naruto? what makes you think they don't?
Omnipotence won't work on otsutsuki in a similar manner? unless used by someone superior like shibai.

EDIT: regardless will just drop this cause it's pointless to argue like someone stated above till we know more.
 
Trihexa102 said:
what are you talking about? that's my point it's a power from SK which yhwach can't perceive.
pretty sure otsutsuki's rank among the top 10 in Naruto? what makes you think they don't?
Omnipotence won't work on otsutsuki in a similar manner? unless used by someone superior like shibai.

EDIT: regardless will just drop this cause it's pointless to argue like someone stated above till we know more.
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That wasn’t your point tho… you compared The Soul King with Otsutsuki like they’re in a similar positions in their verses.

Also read properly, I said half of them don’t make it to the top 10, not that there’s no Otsutsuki in the top 10.
 
M11UTD said:
That wasn’t your point tho… you compared The Soul King with Otsutsuki like they’re in a similar positions in their verses.

Also read properly, I said half of them don’t make it to the top 10, not that there’s no Otsutsuki in the top 10.
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exactly reread what i said? i am saying just like sk is immune to almighty when used by Yhwach.
Otsutsuki are immune to it when used by eida(who can't control it iirc)
at least half are in the top ten though? so what are you even trying to say?
 
Trihexa102 said:
exactly reread what i said? i am saying just like sk is immune to almighty when used by Yhwach.
Otsutsuki are immune to it when used by eida(who can't control it iirc)
at least half are in the top ten though? so what are you even trying to say?
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We know why Soul King is immune, we don’t know why the Otsutsuki are immune.
You said “immune to it when used by Eida” which isn’t even confirmed, they can be immune to Shibai’s too as far as we know.
 
M11UTD said:
We know why Soul King is immune, we don’t know why the Otsutsuki are immune.
You said “immune to it when used by Eida” which isn’t even confirmed, they can be immune to Shibai’s too as far as we know.
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why though? based on the statements of omnipotence it's a power used for cosmological creation? why would otsutsuki be immune to that but if they are then i guess it's just a physiology-resistance feat.
plus we know eida can make people immune unconsciously.

Edit: last post regarding this
 
Trihexa102 said:
why though? based on the statements of omnipotence it's a power used for cosmological creation? why would otsutsuki be immune to that but if they are then i guess it's just a physiology-resistance feat.
plus we know eida can make people immune unconsciously.

Edit: last post regarding this
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“Cosmological creation”… That will be part of the “his abilities seem made up” thing I said lol
 
How many times do we have Ichigo's Horn of Salvation multiplying his stats? And do we have it multipying all stats?
 
DragonZeroNova said:
10x as the highest level of Hollowfication demonstrated in Bleach.
Currently no (subject to change if speed and LS is ever fix, but it's absolutely not a guarantee it'll become all stats)
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It should be but perhaps a CRT will be needed for that, infact not only just this any feat in the series achieved with sheer reaistu be it hax negation or any thing similar should be given across to every character who are relative to the person who achieved the feat, if they scale to the same AP.
 
ItsMeat said:
And getsuga mixed with gran rey cero is another ×10?
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Well if my profile changes pass, it would actually be a 50x increase, since GT would downscale to half of Jujisho, which is a 10x increase according to my CRT since Yhwach got bodied using Sankt Zwinger against it. Take that and multiply it 10x and yeah, it would hit pretty hard
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Well if my profile changes pass, it would actually be a 50x increase, since GT would downscale to half of Jujisho, which is a 10x increase according to my CRT since Yhwach got bodied using Sankt Zwinger against it. Take that and multiply it 10x and yeah, it would hit pretty hard
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So a 500× from true shikai without even using bankai💀??
 
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