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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Mgebrat282 said:
I won't cuz it's illogical, BoG manga doesn't has feats and only one statement(character's opinion that turns out to be a lie), but got accepted when Frieza and others with better statements and kinda feats(Genkidama from the entire universe) don't.
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For goodness' sake, don't create meaningless crt, DBS manga is already 2-C with BOG, there's no reason to continue with this and that subject...
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
For goodness' sake, don't create meaningless crt, DBS manga is already 2-C with BOG, there's no reason to continue with this and that subject...
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he wants frieza cell and buu to be 2C and is trying to downplay the beerus and goku feat to do so. this wouldnt upscale the others it would only downscale beerus and goku 😭
 
Mbpoops said:
he wants frieza cell and buu to be 2C and is trying to downplay the beerus and goku feat to do so. this wouldnt upscale the others it would only downscale beerus and goku 😭
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All that nonsense about Freeza is hyperbole and fallacies. Freeza is the conqueror of the universe, but that's just nonsense about titles. In my opinion, the Buu Saga would be 3-A to 3-B with a lot of confidence (manga), but nothing more than that.
 
Crazy how Bro is sleeping on Tier 0 Nappa


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Stay tuned for my next CRT ❤️
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Hardly, those shockwaves didn't even damage humans, to detsroy the universe they'd need to be septillions times stronger

Manga started earlier and when Bog fight ended in the anime it was only started to heating up. So it's this argument is false.
And there is no feat. Otherwise show me where Goku and Beerus shook/destroy/shattered the universe
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Frieza, whether in Z or Super, is the same character. Frieza is currently at his peak state (Black Frieza) at 2-C, and I just want to know what you would gain by upgrading Z Frieza to 3-A, when Frieza at his peak is already 2-C and superior to both Goku and Vegeta together at their maximum power. Can you tell me what the benefit is of making Z Frieza 3-A when he is already 2-C at his peak?
 
Mbpoops said:
he wants frieza cell and buu to be 2C and is trying to downplay the beerus and goku feat to do so. this wouldnt upscale the others it would only downscale beerus and goku 😭
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Aside from that, Goku and Beerus are at the 2-C level, and this level is not based solely on the clash that occurred between Goku and Beerus, because a collision between two Gods of Destruction is sufficient to destroy two entire universes, along with affecting and partially destroying the Neutral Zone between them, which grants the Gods of Destruction 5D range and a 2-C rating due to their power to destroy macrocosms simply through a clash.

You also have the World of Void, which withstood the collision of three Gods of Destruction. A clash between three Gods of Destruction would be enough to destroy six macrocosms in Dragon Ball, making the impact on the World of Void a 2-C feat involving six universes. Goku affected it as well, and so did Toppo, and therefore all characters at Toppo’s level and above are 2-C with six universes.

Trying to deny the argument of the Goku vs. Beerus clash will not change the tiering at all, so it does not matter.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Aside from that, Goku and Beerus are at the 2-C level, and this level is not based solely on the clash that occurred between Goku and Beerus, because a collision between two Gods of Destruction is sufficient to destroy two entire universes, along with affecting and partially destroying the Neutral Zone between them, which grants the Gods of Destruction 5D range and a 2-C rating due to their power to destroy macrocosms simply through a clash.

You also have the World of Void, which withstood the collision of three Gods of Destruction. A clash between three Gods of Destruction would be enough to destroy six macrocosms in Dragon Ball, making the impact on the World of Void a 2-C feat involving six universes. Goku affected it as well, and so did Toppo, and therefore all characters at Toppo’s level and above are 2-C with six universes.

Trying to deny the argument of the Goku vs. Beerus clash will not change the tiering at all, so it does not matter.
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his reasoning is just funny to me
 
Gp972 said:
I got this text translated and it he Say it says; Goku accomplished nearly double growth through Kami sama’s training.
The numerical value when he accumulates ki with the Kamehameharises to close to 1000!

But the oficial translation to spanish says otherwise



It's says "He managed to double the strength he obtained with Kamisama"
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I remember I made a thread on this like one or two years back but it didn't go through, it's definitely talking about Goku during the beginning of Z years after the 23rd Budokai
 
Mbpoops said:
he wants frieza cell and buu to be 2C and is trying to downplay the beerus and goku feat to do so. this wouldnt upscale the others it would only downscale beerus and goku 😭
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I was trying to point the fact you use a statement from BoG manga, but decline DBZ era statements.
 
Mgebrat282 said:
I was trying to point the fact you use a statement from BoG manga, but decline DBZ era statements.
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This same statement is actually happening on screen, it’s not just a citation. We can see the shockwaves from the impacts crossing the entire macrocosm and reaching the Kaioshin Realm, which exists outside the Other World and the universe. That’s why it’s still valid.




See those pink waves? Well, they are the impacts of the destruction of the Universe, it still happened in the manga and we can see it.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
This same statement is actually happening on screen, it’s not just a citation. We can see the shockwaves from the impacts crossing the entire macrocosm and reaching the Kaioshin Realm, which exists outside the Other World and the universe. That’s why it’s still valid.
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Kaioshin's statement about destroying the universe isn't happening. I don't see neither Goku nor Beerus destroying macrocosmos at the moment, even the mortal universe was unharmed. Crossing macrososmos for those shockwaves doesn't mean a thing because in the epicenter, when they are at the most powerful, they didn't even damage humans, which is kinda pathetic for a shockwave(even Zarbon and Vegeta's shockwave damaged some rocks in manga).
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
See those pink waves? Well, they are the impacts of the destruction of the Universe, it still happened in the manga and we can see it.
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Those are shockwaves Goku and Beerus created, and the universe wasn't even damaged, not even shook
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Kaioshin's statement about destroying the universe isn't happening. I don't see neither Goku nor Beerus destroying macrocosmos at the moment, even the mortal universe was unharmed. Crossing macrososmos for those shockwaves doesn't mean a thing because in the epicenter, when they are at the most powerful, they didn't even damage humans, which is kinda pathetic for a shockwave(even Zarbon and Vegeta's shockwave damaged some rocks in manga).

Those are shockwaves Goku and Beerus created, and the universe wasn't even damaged, not even shook
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The clash between Beerus and Goku was not what created those shockwaves that the Grand Supreme Kai and Whis themselves stated would destroy the universe. I don’t think you’re denying Whis’s words, are you? Whis is more than a reliable source; he has vast knowledge and experience, and we all know this, and he is the strongest in Universe 7. What caused those waves was the collision of punches between Beerus and Goku—not a general clash in direct combat, but specifically the punches themselves.

The collision between Goku’s punch and Beerus’s punch generated those waves, and if those punches had continued, the entire universe would have been destroyed into nothingness. This is exactly what Whis said and what the Grand Supreme Kai mentioned. However, Goku then realized the danger of the situation, so he adjusted the trajectory of his punch to match Beerus’s punch and learned how to focus the power and angle of his strike, which caused the waves to stop.

Those waves did in fact destroy distant planets, but if they had continued, they would have destroyed the entire universe (if they had continued). These waves were destroying planets that were extremely far away, which means the damage was not limited to the point of impact, but occurred on a very large, distant scale. But if Goku had continued throwing those punches, the entire universe would have been destroyed into nothingness—however, as I said, he learned how to regulate and control them.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The clash between Beerus and Goku was not what created those shockwaves that the Grand Supreme Kai and Whis themselves stated would destroy the universe. I don’t think you’re denying Whis’s words, are you? Whis is more than a reliable source; he has vast knowledge and experience, and we all know this, and he is the strongest in Universe 7. What caused those waves was the collision of punches between Beerus and Goku—not a general clash in direct combat, but specifically the punches themselves.

The collision between Goku’s punch and Beerus’s punch generated those waves, and if those punches had continued, the entire universe would have been destroyed into nothingness. This is exactly what Whis said and what the Grand Supreme Kai mentioned. However, Goku then realized the danger of the situation, so he adjusted the trajectory of his punch to match Beerus’s punch and learned how to focus the power and angle of his strike, which caused the waves to stop.

Those waves did in fact destroy distant planets, but if they had continued, they would have destroyed the entire universe (if they had continued). These waves were destroying planets that were extremely far away, which means the damage was not limited to the point of impact, but occurred on a very large, distant scale. But if Goku had continued throwing those punches, the entire universe would have been destroyed into nothingness—however, as I said, he learned how to regulate and control them.
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You're talking about anime, I'm talking about manga
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Kaioshin's statement about destroying the universe isn't happening. I don't see neither Goku nor Beerus destroying macrocosmos at the moment, even the mortal universe was unharmed. Crossing macrososmos for those shockwaves doesn't mean a thing because in the epicenter, when they are at the most powerful, they didn't even damage humans, which is kinda pathetic for a shockwave(even Zarbon and Vegeta's shockwave damaged some rocks in manga).

Those are shockwaves Goku and Beerus created, and the universe wasn't even damaged, not even shook
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The Kaioshin’s statement regarding the destruction of the Universe refers to something that was actively happening. The Universe remained unharmed because both of them canceled out the energy that was produced to destroy the entire macrocosm. In fact, the waves crossing the macrocosm only serve as evidence that the energy reached that location, and according to the work itself, everyone scales with ki. That means the feat is 2-C, since they scale to the energy produced by the shockwaves of the impacts. And what does that have to do with anything? It is still stated that the Universe would be destroyed and that it was only a matter of time. All humans there would have died due to the event that would eventually cause the destruction of the Universe.



It does not matter whether it was shaking or destroying, because the feat was still in progress. We see the shockwaves reaching another dimension outside the macrocosm, which means that, over time, the shockwaves would destroy everything around them.

Are you seriously acting like this just because your argument about Universal Freeza was not accepted?
 
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