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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Sus said:
voiding the ritual requires either raga or the summoners to die
yuta would be included in the ritual soo
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You have no idea what they're talking about. Respectfully, without any ounce of malice in my SOUL, you are a beautiful and perfect person. Don't respond to them anymore. 💖💗💞
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna's summons wasn't destroyed by Hana it was sent back as nullified. If Hana destroyed his summons he wouldn't be summoning same thing in chapter 215.
Also as I said even if it's true like you say Hana needs to target the user to neg the CT since Maho is just a spirit at that point and CT is basically from the user
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Leona put it perfectly, just because the user can't desummon it doesn't insinuate that desummoning is now an impossibility to such a degree that technique nullification is now useless.
 
Mommyleona said:
Your logic is flawed, the user can't de-summon it =/= it CANNOT be de-summoned at all
What do you think happens after Maho kills it's user and their opponent? It gets de-summoned, it doesn't just start wandering around on it's own
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De Summoning happens due to Ritual not because of the users will and control?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
De Summoning happens due to Ritual not because of the users will and control?
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They're point is desummoning is still possible despite the 10S user being unable to desummon them. So trying to say "10S User can't desummon =/= Cannot be desummoned at all" is flawed logic when that is not the case.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
They're point is desummoning is still possible despite the 10S user being unable to desummon them. So trying to say "10S User can't desummon =/= Cannot be desummoned at all" is flawed logic when that is not the case.
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It's not since I'm saying it would be under a ritual rather than CT stuff. You would have made a point if you argued somehow CT extinguisher would cancels the affects of the Ritual but de Summoning is a different case.
 
Sukuna is a person and Maho is a product of Jujutsu and a spirit. It's more likely that the effect that everyone and their mother thinks would happen would happen
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
It's not since I'm saying it would be under a ritual rather than CT stuff. You would have made a point if you argued somehow CT extinguisher would cancels the affects of the Ritual but de Summoning is a different case.
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Because cancelling the effect of the ritual is weirder, what exactly would you target? You yourself said cancelling the ritual isn't likely. Regardless, the point still stands, you want to infer desummoning is impossible due to the 10S user being unable to do so, we know desummoning is possible when the ritual is concluded or voided so arbitrarily saying "Yeah but that's ONLY for the ritual and nothing else" without any evidence supporting the notion doesn't make sense to me.
 
The Ritual is jujutsu brought about by the Ten Shadows Technique. It even has to suspend the death of the user because, if the user died, the Ten Shadows would cease.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Sukuna is a person and Maho is a product of Jujutsu and a spirit. It's more likely that the effect that everyone and their mother thinks would happen would happen
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hana says if Gojo is a evil spirit he would have erased implying it works on evil spirits rather than generally every spirits while Shikigami's are spirit its never mentioned they are good or bad.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Because cancelling the effect of the ritual is weirder, what exactly would you target? You yourself said cancelling the ritual isn't likely. Regardless, the point still stands, you want to infer desummoning is impossible due to the 10S user being unable to do so, we know desummoning is possible when the ritual is concluded or voided so arbitrarily saying "Yeah but that's ONLY for the ritual and nothing else" without any evidence supporting the notion doesn't make sense to me.
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So now you see where I'm coming from? My point is Tamed Maho is directly summoned by user and it's de summoned as a part of the CT while Untamed is a part of the ritual first. You need to tame it to make it your own.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
So now you see where I'm coming from? My point is Tamed Maho is directly summoned by user and it's de summoned as a part of the CT while Untamed is a part of the ritual first. You need to tame it to make it your own.
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The ritual itself is still established by the technique, and I still don't see how the user's inability to desummon them implies that forceful nullification is impossible. Just seems like a false equivalence.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
The ritual itself is still established by the technique, and I still don't see how the user's inability to desummon them implies that forceful nullification is impossible. Just seems like a false equivalence.
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Ritual has conditions which would make it more like law manipulation which not allows the Mahoraga to summoned back until Ritual is complete. That's my point. Incase you didn't get it previously.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Ritual has conditions which would make it more like law manipulation which not allows the Mahoraga to summoned back until Ritual is complete. That's my point. Incase you didn't get it previously.
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Nothing ever ever ever states that the creatures cannot be desummoned at all to any capacity. Again, just because the user cannot desummon it doesn't imply that it's impossible to desummon it.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Nothing ever ever ever states that the creatures cannot be desummoned at all to any capacity.
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We are talking about Maho and Ritual. It sets the condition either extinguish the summon or gets cooked by summon and Ritual becomes void.
ShroobWasTaken said:
Again, just because the user cannot desummon it doesn't imply that it's impossible to desummon it.
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The user can't de summon it because it's a ritual. Even if JL works like you say it definitely need to be cast on user since CT is connected to them. Just casting on Maho I'm not seeing it's working like that.
 
Does Mahoraga's ability to adapt to another person's existence become invalid for Maki and Toji due to their possession of Acausality 4?
 
Sus said:
what is there for him to adapt to anyway
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EldemadeDityjon said:
We are talking about Maho and Ritual. It sets the condition either extinguish the summon or gets cooked by summon and Ritual becomes void.
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Such a condition, to my knowledge, is never specified. The conditions of the ritual are implications that the 10S user cannot desummon it (due to nobody ever trying). The conditions of the ritual are "Either the summon is destroyed by the participants, or the summon destroys the participants." This is how the ritual is concluded, but we know the ritual can be nullified and without directly nullifying the ritual itself, like for example, an outsider destroying the shikigami causes the ritual to be voided meaning the ritual can be forcefully concluded without satisfying the conditions.
EldemadeDityjon said:
The user can't de summon it because it's a ritual. Even if JL works like you say it definitely need to be cast on user since CT is connected to them. Just casting on Maho I'm not seeing it's working like that.
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I don't see how this is predicated on the user, if it targets and nullifies the summon, thereby voiding the ritual, I see that as a perfectly acceptable outcome.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Such a condition, to my knowledge, is never specified. The conditions of the ritual are implications that the 10S user cannot desummon it (due to nobody ever trying). The conditions of the ritual are "Either the summon is destroyed by the participants, or the summon destroys the participants." This is how the ritual is concluded, but we know the ritual can be nullified and without directly nullifying the ritual itself, like for example, an outsider destroying the shikigami causes the ritual to be voided meaning the ritual can be forcefully concluded without satisfying the conditions.
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Yeah sure that's a fair point I guess
 
By default, someone from verse has CE, but can't use it(similar to normal humans). Do you guys know any characters that are smart/skilled enough to gain enough mastery of CE to use it offensively against Cursed spirits? And do fast enough, before cursed spirits kills them.
Good example is prolly Garou
 
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Qurbonboev said:
Do you guys can any characters that are smart/skilled enough to gain enough mastery of CE to use it offensively against Cursed spirits?
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They have the minimum amount of CE to not be immune to things like Barriers and Sure-Hits. Basically they have "2 CE". Think of them as like Maki, who has CE but cannot use jujutsu.
 
Zabazab said:
They have the minimum amount of CE to not be immune to things like Barriers and Sure-Hits. Basically they have "2 CE". Think of them as like Maki, who has CE but cannot use jujutsu.
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theyd be like normal humans not an incomplete HR
 
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