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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Qurbonboev said:
Btw, Ryu output is obviously lower than Sukuna. Ruy was player with highest output before Sukuna pocessed Megumi.
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I dunno if it is. Theres no proof sukuna has higher output necessarily.
Highest output in history chat?
 
BiggestOpp said:
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And yet Divine Dog: Totality can harm Hanami, which may mean CE ouput ≠ AP I suppose?

Qurbonboev said:
Btw, Ryu output is obviously lower than Sukuna. Ruy was player with highest output before Sukuna pocessed Megumi.
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Sukuna was a player in Culling Game from the very start as an incarnated player in Itadori.
 
BiggestOpp said:
My head hurts , yall JJK goons gone be the end of me
Cursed energy reinforcement is when they reinforce their body with CE.
That gives them enhanced speed, durability and speed.
Is this incorrect?
Kirara’s CT causes whatever has higher output to attract whatever has lesser output.
Megumi says when he enhanced his body with CE (reinforcement) he became the attractor.
That means reinforcement is based on output. Is this interpretation wrong? What am I misinterpreting?
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Output and reinforcement are practically the same. Gege makes it similar at times and implies its different in others. They work on the same idea just applied differently, some people have lower output but can reinforce themselves better like Gojo or Sukuna, while Ryu or Yuta might have higher output, they can't reinforce as well. And reinforcement also can be increased strength too, we know this mainly cuz Geto says it but Ogi also talks about how sorcerers reinforce themselves daily and that strengthens them and how Maki's strength is nothing special compared to it.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
I dunno if it is. Theres no proof sukuna has higher output necessarily.
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Compare damage done to Ryu by one dismantle, and damage done to Gojo by domain.
BiggestOpp said:
Yuji/Sukuna are both players.
Kenjaku is also a player, Yuki is a player as well iirc.
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Yuji and Yujikuna obviously have drastically different cursed energy reserves and output. Megumi wasn't scaring anyone with his aura, Meguna on the other hand.
Interesting fact: Incarnated sorcerers aren't technically players. Their hosts are, and tablo refers to them by their hosts name.
Sukuna isn't player of culling games by same technicality. And when he poccesses Megumi, game still refers to him by Megumi name
 
Qurbonboev said:
Interesting fact: Incarnated sorcerers aren't technically players. Their hosts are, and tablo refers to them by their hosts name.
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
But the game called for Itadori instead of Sukuna lol
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Ryu is the exact same then as he is an incarnated player, right? You see how this argument doesn't work. If Ryu counts as a player then Sukuna, Yorozu, Kenjaku, all count as a players.
 
Arkenis said:
Output and reinforcement are practically the same. Gege makes it similar at times and implies it’s different in others. They work on the same idea just applied differently, some people have lower output but can reinforce themselves better like Gojo or Sukuna, while Ryu or Yuta might have higher output, they can't reinforce as well. And reinforcement also can be increased strength too, we know this mainly cuz Geto says it but Ogi also talks about how sorcerers reinforce themselves daily and that strengthens them and how Maki's strength is nothing special compared to it.
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So now reinforcement output is different depending on the person 🤨.
Output is output, it’s the amount of CE empowering something. Whether it’s a technique or reinforcement, or just shooting out CE.
It’s output, you’re using a certain amount of CE.
Since when does outputting a lesser amount of CE give results higher than others just based on who you are?
The closest statement we have to that is people like Miguel and Yuji, but it’s made clear that it’s because their base bodies are strong asl.

But if output doesn’t equally correlate to how much power something has, doesn’t that make the Frost Calm scaling questionable now?
 
Buraqibear said:
I'm sorry brother, but this doesn't really show a correlation between CE output and speed either
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Reinforcement is what makes sorcerers faster 🤖
If reinforcement is dictated by output, then someone with higher output should be faster than someone with lower output.
 
BiggestOpp said:
So now reinforcement output is different depending on the person 🤨.
Output is output, it’s the amount of CE empowering something. Whether it’s a technique or reinforcement, or just shooting out CE.
It’s output, you’re using a certain amount of CE.
Since when does outputting a lesser amount of CE give results higher than others just based on who you are?
The closest statement we have to that is people like Miguel and Yuji, but it’s made clear that it’s because their base bodies are strong asl.
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You're misunderstanding, a person can have high reinforcement but low output, take 16F Sukuna, his output was being limited but his reinforcement and physical movement was relatively fine, take Yuta as another example, he has high output but his reinforcement is carried by high Cursed Energy. Cursed Energy Output is Cursed Energy Output. Cursed Energy Output is not Cursed Energy Reinforcement. Therefore Sukuna can have less Output but have higher Reinforcement
BiggestOpp said:
But if output doesn’t equally correlate to how much power something has, doesn’t that make the Frost Calm scaling questionable now?
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Not necessarily, because Frost Calm is Uraume's direct Cursed Energy Output, which makes Ryu's statement applicable to scaling him to it. Output is how much explosive power some has
 
Zabazab said:
Ryu is the exact same then as he is an incarnated player, right? You see how this argument doesn't work. If Ryu counts as a player then Sukuna, Yorozu, Kenjaku, all count as a players.
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Ryu is incarnated player. Since he poccesses his host, host gained characteristics associated with Ryu(such as very high output). CG Yuji and Megumi didn't have naturally very high output by themselves, so their output was lower than Ryu host. But moment Sukuna pocessed Megumi, Megumi body had gained characteristics of Sukuna, such as having Shrine(so Megumi brain did significantly change as result of his possession), his cursed reserves(Megumi wasn't scaring anyone, Meguna did), and his output(either Sukuna did increase Megumi output upon possession, or 16F Sukuna has same output as Megumi)
 
What Qurb said can also be true, Sukuna wasn't in hold of Yuji's body at the moment and could possibly be excluded from the statement due to not having participated as a played yet
 
Qurbonboev said:
Guys, if Uraume ice block is downgraded, and Mechamaru calc likely gonna get ditched as well, how much HH tiers would be downgraded? Are they gonna get back to Uraume Frost Calm(2.95 kT), or is there any supporting calculations?
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Probably scaling to Frost calm since Ryu shit would still be above
 
Qurbonboev said:
Ryu is incarnated player. Since he poccesses his host, host gained characteristics associated with Ryu(such as very high output)
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What I'm saying is that claiming things like "it's not Sukuna it's Itadori/Megumi" is a bad argument because every incarnated sorcerer works the same as eachother. Otherwise Ryu wouldn't have the highest output, the guy he possessed would, which is obviously not true.

Buraqibear said:
Sukuna wasn't in hold of Yuji's body at the moment and could possibly be excluded from the statement due to not having participated
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This is the argument that actually has merit, but as you said it's a possibility. Normally Gege is careful about qualifiers and stipulations ("With the sole exception of-") so it's a bit of a coinflip.
 
Zabazab said:
What I'm saying is that claiming things like "it's not Sukuna it's Itadori/Megumi" is a bad argument because every incarnated sorcerer works the same as eachother. Otherwise Ryu wouldn't have the highest output, the guy he possessed would, which is obviously not true.
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Every incarnated sorcerer works same way. But Sukuna wasn't fully poccessing Yuji and Megumi during time when Ryu was named as culling games player with highest output(and Ryu host was fully possessed by Ryu during this time)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Now you’re using the victim card, and no, there’s no such bullshit like Yuta being hated in the Culling Games. Yes, I agree that Yuji’s writing was accused of being bad, but that has zero relation to hating Yuta. There was no such big incident during that time.
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This is just a lie, Yuta being an “overpowered OC” who got author favouritism was absolutely a thing during the Culling Games, when people started discussing the fact Yuji didnt feel like the MC at that point in time Yuta was brought up (due to his increased plot relevance and status as essentially the former MC from 0) which caused some Yuji fans to lash out.
EldemadeDityjon said:
The Yuji vs Yuta stuff started happening when Yuji improved in the Shinjuku Showdown and showed a few feats. Either stop acting like it’s only one side of the fandom, when you can barely count Yuji fans compared to how society is filled with Yuta glazers, almost as much as Gojo had, lol.
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What? Isnt Yuji like 2nd in the popularity polls? Why are you acting like Yuji is some underdog in this? Hes consistently been a very popular character and part of why the CGs was so criticised was because prople disliked how Yuji was handled. Yuta certainly has alot of glazers but acting like Yuji doesnt have plenty of his own especially now is insane.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Logic doesn’t matter—you people just pushing whatever comes to your mind. Like modulo Yuta has zero speed or durability feats, and you people started new shit like saying he can somehow beat Gojo 😞😞😞. Yeah, you people act like you didn’t started anything after this.
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I mean I personally haven’t seen much in regards to scaling with Yuta from the new series, at most ive mainly seen people discussing stuff in regards to how to treat the stuff with Rika vs Maru. Im sure theres some people out there that dropping some crazy shit like Yuta beating Gojo but I havent seen it. Regardless that doesnt change what happened in the past lol.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Also it's not Yuji fans who trolls on Yuta. Entire JJK fans (Except Yuta fans) trolls on him. He is just meme material that's all. Just because he was looked down by everyone you people stated blaming that on only Yuji fans & started some kind of beef.
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Again you are just lying, Yuji and Yuta beef started well before the shit that happened in Shinjuku, it just intensified at that point.
 
PsychoWarper said:
This is just a lie, Yuta being an “overpowered OC” who got author favouritism was absolutely a thing during the Culling Games, when people started discussing the fact Yuji didnt feel like the MC at that point in time Yuta was brought up (due to his increased plot relevance and status as essentially the former MC from 0) which caused some Yuji fans to lash out.
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I distinctly remember "ensemble cast" "two mc" "Yuta's the first mc"

Wasn't there a chapter literally named "past mc teams up with new mc" or some shit?
 
PsychoWarper said:
This is just a lie, Yuta being an “overpowered OC” who got author favouritism was absolutely a thing during the Culling Games, when people started discussing the fact Yuji didnt feel like the MC at that point in time Yuta was brought up (due to his increased plot relevance and status as essentially the former MC from 0) which caused some Yuji fans to lash out.

What? Isnt Yuji like 2nd in the popularity polls? Why are you acting like Yuji is some underdog in this? Hes consistently been a very popular character and part of why the CGs was so criticised was because prople disliked how Yuji was handled. Yuta certainly has alot of glazers but acting like Yuji doesnt have plenty of his own especially now is insane.

I mean I personally haven’t seen much in regards to scaling with Yuta from the new series, at most ive mainly seen people discussing stuff in regards to how to treat the stuff with Rika vs Maru. Im sure theres some people out there that dropping some crazy shit like Yuta beating Gojo but I havent seen it. Regardless that doesnt change what happened in the past lol.

Again you are just lying, Yuji and Yuta beef started well before the shit that happened in Shinjuku, it just intensified at that point.
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Lieutenant why you fighting wars bro
 
Btw what do people think Dabura’s domain will do? The fact it seemingly has euclidean stuff going on is pretty interesting.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Btw what do people think Dabura’s domain will do? The fact it seemingly has euclidean stuff going on is pretty interesting.
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Probably stops the adaptation through how light works like how photons don't experience time or it could be something causal like putting him in a state between
cause and effect so the adaptation can't work. We know the hand sign he does is the shambhala mudra, which is for inner peace and balancing inner energies and other stuff. Since domains are supposed to resemble being inside the innate domain, Mahoraga would operate under that idea maybe? Like stopping the constant changing that the wheel has.
 
PsychoWarper said:
This is just a lie, Yuta being an “overpowered OC” who got author favouritism was absolutely a thing during the Culling Games, when people started discussing the fact Yuji didnt feel like the MC at that point in time Yuta was brought up (due to his increased plot relevance and status as essentially the former MC from 0) which caused some Yuji fans to lash out.

What? Isnt Yuji like 2nd in the popularity polls? Why are you acting like Yuji is some underdog in this? Hes consistently been a very popular character and part of why the CGs was so criticised was because prople disliked how Yuji was handled. Yuta certainly has alot of glazers but acting like Yuji doesnt have plenty of his own especially now is insane.

I mean I personally haven’t seen much in regards to scaling with Yuta from the new series, at most ive mainly seen people discussing stuff in regards to how to treat the stuff with Rika vs Maru. Im sure theres some people out there that dropping some crazy shit like Yuta beating Gojo but I havent seen it. Regardless that doesnt change what happened in the past lol.

Again you are just lying, Yuji and Yuta beef started well before the shit that happened in Shinjuku, it just intensified at that point.
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Bro ignored everything and started yapping his own narrative.
 
I do wanna apologize if I offended anyone by unintentionally misgendering Uraume btw.
I didn't know Uraume willingly requested to reincarnate into a female body, removing the reason for calling em a guy. I thought it was just an accident or a coincidence with the reincarnation akin to an Orochimaru-esque situation, not a deliberate one.
So I'm sorry for my ignorance in that regard. I'll change regarding that on the site.
 
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