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The Smartest Man Alive vs The Strongest Alien Alive (4/4/0)

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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Just for this specific part: hell nah, Serena and Bellicus couldn't agree on ANYTHING for eternity before Ben came.
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They did agreed to destroy Professor Paradox the moment he appeared, proving that Ben is not the sole 'key' to their actions. What matters is their reach a consensus with common goal. Since SBA dictates that characters are 'willing to win' and 'perceive the opponent as an enemy,' the requirement for agreement is effectively satisfied. Tho, i think if Ben disagrees, it will lead them to debate of something, idk.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Just for this specific part: hell nah, Serena and Bellicus couldn't agree on ANYTHING for eternity before Ben came. Them outvoting Ben on something he doesn't want to do is literally the only way how Alien X can NOT win tbh.
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Except that's not true.
When they encountered Paradox, they instantly ignored Ben and focused on destroying him, this would be exactly the same by SBA.
 
Ig i will go for incon honestly, there is too much uncertaininty regarding what would happen if all three of them are in command. They can pretty much ignore Ben but at the same time, it also matters if Kratos is one to attack with CM first, or AX attacks with EE first under the command or serena bellicus as they ignore ben.
 
Reiner04 said:
Ig i will go for incon honestly, there is too much uncertaininty regarding what would happen if all three of them are in command. They can pretty much ignore Ben but at the same time, it also matters if Kratos is one to attack with CM first, or AX attacks with EE first under the command or serena bellicus as they ignore ben.
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How does Kratos CM work? Is a blast? A thought based spell?;
 
GeneralSol16 said:
How does Kratos CM work? Is a blast? A thought based spell?;
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Its inherent to every single one of his abilities. Same with his info Type 2.

In this case, he has the ability to just activate an aura of fire, ice, or space-time destroying Bifrost that can affect and destroy concepts/souls/minds.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
How does Kratos CM work? Is a blast? A thought based spell?;
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Its sword based or smth maybe? Idk much about GOW so ask @Planck69
Regardless whatever the means be, Ben's presence creates uncertaininty within the mind space so i don't think we can be sure that Serena Bellicus would ignore Ben and if they went to argue further, Kratos will win, if didn't AX would win. So it can go either way.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Aight.
And how many of them work in an instant / don't need to travel any distance?
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Realm Shifts are universal+ in range and slow down time to a crawl. He can perform one with an artifact, by dodging, by taking damage, or just with a gesture.

The auras are gesture based and form instantly around him for several meters and given how close they are, Alien X is well within range.
 
From everything I've been reading.

Kratos could destroy Ben's body, sure, but the fact that Ben is just infinities more powerful, can absolutely neutralize him with just a thought (doesn't matter how has control of the form) and even if he gets destroyed, his Star filled Void is so far away that Ben or the other two could just create a new body a few meters farther from Kratos.

And considering the fight is against someone who, I assume needs to summon him first, Ben victory is practically insured.
 
Reiner04 said:
As much as his powers are only thought based, his powers seems to always have been manifested via body. So while even a thought is enough to do anything, he needs body to manifest that power, so his mind alone is not combatt applicable.
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Huh? Remember the time when they made omnitrix stopped working? That's not via body bro or wanting to save dinasours from extinction without limbs😭
 
Regardless i maintain my view on it. I think we still don't know what Ben presence in the mind space might lead to.
 
Lort15 said:
What is the current problem besides using powers without said body stuff?
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Ben presence in the mind space. While serena bellicus can very well ignore him, we can't be sure that they will and not just go on eternal debate with him for all that matters.
 
Reiner04 said:
Ben presence in the mind space. While serena bellicus can very well ignore him, we can't be sure that they will and not just go on eternal debate with him for all that matters.
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Assuming SBA for three of them, Serena and Bellicus actually made a quick decision when they wanted to save the universe so it should be okay, they usually ignore the happenning events because they know they wouldn't be affected, ı'm not sure if Kratos is capable of affecting Alien X's mindspace, he lacks the range for sure. Conceptual Manipulation requires some range to work from my knowledge so how is this not a stomp in AX favor? regardless of Ben in control or Serena and Bellicus they will just use abilities to defeat Kratos and Mimir
 
Lort15 said:
Assuming SBA for three of them, Serena and Bellicus actually made a quick decision when they wanted to save the universe so it should be okay, they usually ignore the happenning events because they know they wouldn't be affected, ı'm not sure if Kratos is capable of affecting Alien X's mindspace, he lacks the range for sure. Conceptual Manipulation requires some range to work from my knowledge so how is this not a stomp in AX favor? regardless of Ben in control or Serena and Bellicus they will just use abilities to defeat Kratos and Mimir
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Ben presence makes the outcome unknown imo.
 
Reiner04 said:
Ben presence makes the outcome unknown imo.
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I mean he is one of them as they stated he should be abstract and disconnetted from the body as well if i'm understanding what you meant by Ben's presence also even if Ben's presence is still being capable of affected why is that matter for the match? The match is for Alien X, Serena and Bellicus has existed even before Ben
 
KLOL506 said:
We both get bullied here brother 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀
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Aye get AX plot manip back gng cuz tf is biologicial manipulation over plot manip on the profiles 😭😭😭😭 anyways i will take a shower as every ben 10 powerscaler do (taking shower once in a year ) so see you later guys
 
Lort15 said:
I mean he is one of them as they stated he should be abstract and disconnetted from the body as well if i'm understanding what you meant by Ben's presence also even if Ben's presence is still being capable of affected why is that matter for the match? The match is for Alien X, Serena and Bellicus has existed even before Ben
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i thought i will be arguing with kratos guys so why am i arguing with Ben 10 guys instead.
 
Anyways, I'm leaning to Alien X
Reasons:
  • Alien X has immortality type 9 that allows them to exist outside of the cosmology which is 1-B (26D) Kratos or Mimir has no way to hit personalities from that range, they are Low 1-C (5D) and Alien X demonstrated the ability to use powers without said body as shown when they nullified Omnitrix and it's powers and said they can save dinosaurs from extinction without limbs
  • Alien X would just hit them with EE, Serena and Bellicus are the personalities of the Alien X that they are also affected by SBA mindset, they can make quick decisions when they are in serious situations as shown with Galactic Gladiator, Serena and Bellicus are also decisive enough to create a new universe quickly also another proof that them absorbing the Annihilarrgh's energy wave without said body actually, if they weren't influced by SBA mindset Serena and Bellicus wouldn't care about the vs because the vs wouldn't affect them as well let's see what can Alien X do if he is in Ben's control


Alien X under Ben Tennyson's control:

Ben Tennyson wouldn't kill opponents unlike other Celestialsapiens like Bellicus and Serena wanting to erase Paradox from the existence or Kevin stating that Celestialsapiens would blink and they would've be gone, Ben's standart move with Alien X is telekinesis, body puppetry, flight, attack reflection and many more except EE.
Alien X has Immeasurable LS Mimir doesn't has that but Kratos has Immeasurable LS however lifting a universe with 26 dimensional aspects should be superior to lifting a universe/realm with 5 dimensional ascepts from my knowledge otherwise that would be NLF to assume that anyone with Imme LS can lift any universe even if they have Infinite higher dimensions. So Ben can restrain both, Ben can use body puppetry to affect them yes Kratos has resistance to Body Puppetry but all of Alien X's haxes are 26D so that would ignore his resistance, i think this is a stomp in Alien X's favor, Kratos and Mimir have no way to interact or affect Alien X's pocket dimension cuz of lacking range
 
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