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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

I made a comment in the crt, does anyone happen to have the full scene where the Jedi are slowing the Hyperspace Disaster?
 
It seems the Anna Archive is going offline. They're being sued for 13 trillion dollars, I think.

The only things I really wanted were the Fanhome encyclopedias (which I think is the biggest Star Wars canon encyclopedia) and the new version of Star Wars Galactic Maps that came out at the end of last year.
 
With all the WOG controversies on the wiki, I'm grateful that Star Wars doesn't have so much of that in bigger aspects like the Force and cosmology.

Most WOG is about whether a character is weaker or stronger, or more details about specific fights.
 
Sorry for the spam, but I was looking at some funny stuff.

And at the same time we have this from WOG:
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We have this:
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So probably nothing from Anakin vs. Ahsoka can be used, at most as a possible.
 
Hey people

Just know that you, who are doing the overall revamp on the Star Wars pages, are doing God's work, it was even surprising to check Darth Vader's profile and see it with different ratings and a completely new P&A Section.

The verse was left in an extremely poor quality and its amazing to see all of you contributing to increase the profiles' quality to as high as you can

Thank you all
 

Weaknesses​

The manifestations of the Force Spirits do not last forever; eventually, they return to unity with the Force.

"Something," possibly the Force itself, can interfere with the manifestation and actions of the Force Spirits. For example, it took all of Anakin's energy to save Luke from Exegol because this "something" really didn't want the two to have any contact.

The Dark Side can also interfere with the Force Spirits. For example, in order for the Force Spirits to help Rey defeat Palpatine, they had to do everything they could, since Exegol was a font of dark power.

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I covered the weaknesses. Unfortunately, there's only WOG, but I don't think that WOG contradicts what's shown in the franchise.

also

my goat anakin
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[Book] Star Wars: Shadow of the Sith
 
the yarael poof feat for legends is still useable. The destuction of coruscant wasn't going to be a chain reaction. the infant of shaa just needed the power to be cracked open and for the planet busting energy to be released. Yareal poof basically used his power to tame the energy and stop it from releasing. So legend force users should stay as planet level for now.
 
the yarael poof feat for legends is still useable. The destuction of coruscant wasn't going to be a chain reaction. the infant of shaa just needed the power to be cracked open and for the planet busting energy to be released. Yareal poof basically used his power to tame the energy and stop it from releasing. So legend force users should stay as planet level for now.
Ah yes, one feat that's well above most feats for the verse surely counts for... basically every force user to scale to.
 
Ah yes, one feat that's well above most feats for the verse surely counts for... basically every force user to scale to.
All we need is some damn good consistency as well (Not accounting for the Old Republic Era, the rituals, and so on that is. Although I did vaguely recall some Night Sister feat, but that was a long time ago. )
 
All we need is some damn good consistency as well (Not accounting for the Old Republic Era, the rituals, and so on that is. Although I did vaguely recall some Night Sister feat, but that was a long time ago. )
Funnily enough, for average force users High 6-A isn't even consistent lmfao, it's for the top to god-tiers that High 5-A becomes consistent and those feats are from OLD REPUBLIC or people who scale to OLD REPUBLIC, so dickfuck nobody outside of the era Not named Palpatine or ******* who scale to him(basically nobody, lol) that's who.
 
Funnily enough, for average force users High 6-A isn't even consistent lmfao, it's for the top to god-tiers that High 5-A becomes consistent and those feats are from OLD REPUBLIC or people who scale to OLD REPUBLIC, so dickfuck nobody outside of the era that's who.
I honestly don’t even buy the average Force Users being High 6A in Legends argument period as that is just nonsensical.

I say the High Tier of the Star War Legend may have some better chance than the average Force Users that ain’t like Top Tier to begin with.

The best I saw in that regard was between Town Level and maybe City Level at best for Lightside Force Users.


Hell, I am pretty sure everyone can agree the Dark Side users technically have more better feats than the Light Side Users.
 
I honestly don’t even buy the average Force Users in Legends argument period as that is just nonsensical.

I say the High Tier of the Star War Legend may have some better chance than the average Force Users that ain’t like Top Tier to begin with.

The best I saw in that regard was between Town Level and maybe City Level at best for Lightside Force Users.

Hell, I am pretty sure everyone can agree the Dark Side users technically have more better feats than the Light Users.
Considering only every single High 5-A feat comes from DS users...

But yeah, it's like, Tier 7 has a ton of casual feats in it from people like Padawan Anakin or a rando Padawan who currently scales their TK LS, to Grievous, etcetera. Like, most feats worth a damn in legends are in Tier 7, and basically all the rest are High 5-A.
 
Considering only every single High 5-A feat comes from DS users...

But yeah, it's like, Tier 7 has a ton of casual feats in it from people like Padawan Anakin or a rando Padawan who currently scales their TK LS, to Grievous, etcetera. Like, most feats worth a damn in legends are in Tier 7, and basically all the rest are High 5-A.
I will say the New Republic Era and any post Original Trilogy content have better odds to getting good feats considering the Force Storms feats, Luke Skywalker’s own feats, and so on.


Most of that shit was pretty crazy and over the top as far as I am aware for OT. Well, more so, post Original Trilogy content and all for Legends
 
I will say the New Republic Era and any post Original Trilogy content have better odds to getting good feats considering the Force Storms feats, Luke Skywalker’s own feats, and so on.


Most of that shit was pretty crazy and over the top as far as I am aware for OT. Well, more so, post Original Trilogy content and all for Legends
Funny thing about most of that: it scales to Luke and uh... Papa Palps, and uh...
 
I was hesitant to use elements from WBW Anakin for Force Spirit content because of the question of whether it was real or not. But thankfully there's more content outside of that.
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“Kota leaned closer. "Don't be overconfident, boy. Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness. If anything's happened to her, your experience in the hut will seem like a bad dream in comparison."

...

IT TOOK HIM NO TIME at all to attune his senses to the vast and tangled life-fields of the fecund, overrun world. The balance had indeed shifted profoundly toward the dark side since his last visit. He found the world's new ambience familiar but not comfortable, and felt that he was recognized but not welcome. The latter surprised him and occupied his mind even as he defended himself against every able-bodied predator the world had to send against him. So it seemed, anyway. Without Shaak Ti keeping their innate Force sensitivity in check, the native Felucian species fought him every step of the way.

...

Shaak Ti's death affected them deeply, so profoundly entangled had she become in the energy flows of the world.

The Force Unleashed novel”


This is a good quote from the Force Unleashed novel on how Shaak Ti does control and regulate the energy flow of a planet to prevent it from leaning too far into the dark side, yet not leaning too far towards the light side.


Make sense since she was on the planet for years and also was one of the many Jedi that was in the Clone Wars for awhile too.

Not sure on the balancing energy feats there though.

At least, I can find the Legend respect threads from all available Eras in that regard.

Also would have to look into other feats from the Clone Wars Era and pre Clone Wars Era (assuming they have any content pre Clone Wars Era that is as Post Ruusan Reformation content is sorta there)
 
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A Dark Jedi manipulating the flames of dying stars and acknowledging that even the Stars themselves is part of the Force as well.
Edit: Will note this is post Original Trilogy content for Star Wars Legends too.
Closing his eyes, the Master of the Shadow Academy began to move his hands. Zekk watched through the observation port, his green eyes widening.

The ocean of rarefied incandescent gases between the dying stars started to swirl like arms of fire... writhing, changing shape, dancing in time with the hand motions Brakiss made. The dark teacher was manipulating the starfire itself!

He whispered to Zekk without opening his eyes, without observing the effect of his work. "The Force is in all things," Brakiss said, "from the smallest pebble to the largest star. This is just a glimmer of how Naga Sadow reached out to the stars and delivered a mortal wound five thousand years ago. "

- Young Jedi Knights: Lightsabers


Edit: Just realized it was stated that Luke was becoming one with the Black Hole/already deceased Star that turns into a Black Hole:
 
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There's a canon novel about Luke taking down Destroyers on Jakku; unfortunately, the novel is about guys telling stories about Luke.

So it could be real or pure fantasy.
 
Wow, a lot of people on Reddit underestimate Luke because of the limited training he's had.

Seriously, many people treat Luke from ROJ as a mid-level Jedi.
 
It's Reddit. Did you expect anything less?
Well, if this were a normal Star Wars subreddit I'd "understand" since not everyone is looking for guides and books.

But what I came across was a Star Wars powerscaling subreddit.

Like, there were people ignoring Luke easily defeating the Grand Inquisitor because "it was nonsense".

lol.
 
It's Reddit. Did you expect anything less?
Wow, a lot of people on Reddit underestimate Luke because of the limited training he's had.

Seriously, many people treat Luke from ROJ as a mid-level Jedi.
I assume you meant Return of the Jedi from Original Trilogy, but there is the novels to take into consideration from the Legends continuity as well.

But, Luke was technically still inexperienced so I assume the reasoning on Luke being mid level Jedi is due to the bare minimum training sessions from Yoda and Obi Wan Kenobi.


Although his performances against Darth Vader was there as he did win eventually
 
I assume you meant Return of the Jedi from Original Trilogy, but there is the novels to take into consideration from the Legends continuity as well.

But, Luke was technically still inexperienced so I assume the reasoning on Luke being mid level Jedi is due to the bare minimum training sessions from Yoda and Obi Wan Kenobi.


Although his performances against Darth Vader was there as he did win eventually
I don't know about Legends, but in canon we have several statements that he's not only as strong but also as skilled as Vader with the lightsaber.

Another funny thing is how many people I see saying that in ROJ Vader didn't seriously delay and that's why Luke can't be compared to him. And they completely forgot that Luke didn't want to fight either; the guy ran away during the whole fight and then advanced at the end.

And I'm not even taking novels or guides into consideration since not everyone has access to that or watches that kind of thing. I'm talking about the film itself.
 
I don't know about Legends, but in canon we have several statements that he's not only as strong but also as skilled as Vader with the lightsaber.
There is a bunch of that in Legends as well by ROTJ.

Although he isn’t as powerful in Legends since Suited Vader is actually weaker compared to KFV while the reverse is true in Canon.
 
Btw can we get rid of the “X naturally, Y with the Force” bit that remains on some of the statistics? Kind of messy and not something we really use in any other UES verse since the default assumption is that the statistic refers to the value accomplished with the UES.
 
Should it also be mentioned that it's rather well established in canon that Force Users are glass cannons for all intents and purposes? If it wasn't the case, then Order 66 would have failed!
 
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Should it also be mentioned that it's rather well established in canon that Force Users are glass canons for all intents and purposes? If it wasn't the case, then Order 66 would have failed!
Should be mentioned in the weaknesses, although I believe this is more a matter of most Jedi/Sith lacking the skill to apply tutaminis defensively to fast/small/high intensity bursts of energy like blaster blots rather than lacking the power to do so, since they can tank explosions and attacks with far far greater yields in other circumstances.
 
Btw can we get rid of the “X naturally, Y with the Force” bit that remains on some of the statistics? Kind of messy and not something we really use in any other UES verse since the default assumption is that the statistic refers to the value accomplished with the UES.
I had plans to make a crt about this.

I don't disagree with "x normally, y with Force/Force Amplification". Or even implementing Varia as @DaReaperMan once suggested.

But I think it's basically impossible to determine how strong they normally are, it's totally subjective.

So it would end up being "unknown normally, x with Force/Force Amplification", which I think would be the same as just putting the Tier with amplification, but I can make a crt about that later.

I think the unknown would only resolve questions about antifeats.

Should it also be mentioned that it's rather well established in canon that Force Users are glass canons for all intents and purposes? If it wasn't the case, then Order 66 would have failed!
They are physically strong, but that doesn't mean they gain heat resistance.

Although Blasters have AP, their damage is also heat-based.
 
Should be mentioned in the weaknesses, although I believe this is more a matter of most Jedi/Sith lacking the skill to apply tutaminis defensively to fast/small/high intensity bursts of energy like blaster blots rather than lacking the power to do so, since they can tank explosions and attacks with far far greater yields in other circumstances.
In Legends, there's no visual effect when they use "amplification"? I remember Luke turning blue when he shielded himself from an AT-AT in Dark Empire.
 
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