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We have a canon minimum height anyways right? 203 meters based on it being above kashimo
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Uraume's Ice Block
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yeah, which my calc accounted for and theirs didn't
but then it was falling even more so we can't assume that it stayed the same height either
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Also, who tf added it to the profiles and scaled everyone and their mom to this shit before this thread was concluded?????
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I have to agree with KT. It doesn't look like scaling off of that building for the ice block is a good idea to me.
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It was accepted in a separate cgm thread
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there was another thread that accepted Buraq's calc and then there was a crt that accepted it for use
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link everything
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Buruq should be executed for his crimes against humanity ngl
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i ain't even see that shitburaq linked the cgm thread and dis is the crt (you yourself agreed with it dawg)
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It was the shion CRT about Hakari, right
OjeTheArcher15
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KT canonically forgetting shit (he isn't a credible source anymore)buraq linked the cgm thread and dis is the crt (you yourself agreed with it dawg
Rodriiogo
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(Will put this on an actual blog post if it's fine)
Wouldn't this be better:
I used the same method as the currently accepted calc except the way of getting the volume:
We see that Kashimo despite being 203 meters in the air/above ground is still way below the ice block and barely above the buildings while the ice block is insanely above both (I explain it better in the sandbox)
Both 203m and 300m end give an even higher result than the current value.
Wouldn't this be better:
I used the same method as the currently accepted calc except the way of getting the volume:
We see that Kashimo despite being 203 meters in the air/above ground is still way below the ice block and barely above the buildings while the ice block is insanely above both (I explain it better in the sandbox)
Both 203m and 300m end give an even higher result than the current value.
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Yield of the calc doesn't matter, and my calculation already does that as well.
Rodriiogo
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The 203 meters statement is literally in the same exact image that is used to pixel scale and we literally see Kashimo (who is currently 203m above ground) looking at it from below. It literally could not have gone "Lower" in the image used.
wdym
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AlrightThe 203 meters statement is literally in the same exact image that is used to pixel scale and we literally see Kashimo (who is currently 203m above ground) looking at it from below. It literally could not have gone "Lower" in the image used.
I'm just saying the end result of the calculation isn't the priority
Rodriiogo
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Oh yea mb, eitherway is the calculation fine like that then? I just want confirmation before putting it in a blog post
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It's fine
You can blog it if you want, I'm just saying I already calced it using the assumed 300m height based off the 200m height statement so there's no point
You can blog it if you want, I'm just saying I already calced it using the assumed 300m height based off the 200m height statement so there's no point
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Disclaimer since I saw my name I don't know no shit about what they scale to all nor did I change anything all I did is scale Yuji and Hakari to the Yuta/Kashimo/High tier etc. level in tiering. They were High 7-C when I did that
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There is a new User blog for Rodriiogo's calc.
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Unf, its 674 Kilotons. So it'd be a supportive calc. Assuming the CRT that adds Mechamaru Years calc is accepted, hopefully.
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idk, we should lowkey nuke the verse
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He uses the height from ground to ice. I use from ground to cloud since that's a better lowball
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You guys do one thing differently so is there gonna be some crt or will you guys just continue here to discuss what is better accepted?
Have you given both calcs a look at?
And can anyone ping/notify Dale, Seiji, and Sundagamer if they have something to say on both calcs?
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@Dalesean027 @SeijiSetto and especially @SunDaGamer since you evaluated on my calc and dropped an important comment
Might I throw in @M3X_2.0
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I'm gonna have to go with KT's as well as it simply provides the most direct and least assumptive way of getting the measurements. Like I can't express how much I do not like this scan for measuring when it comes to anything with the environment or even just going ground up. In Rodriiogo's Blog the scans for justification for how high Kashimo is and thus the Ice Block shit are so valid that it makes the wideshot completely unusable when scaling from the ground up or from the buildings to the Ice becuase while the statements are consistent the presentation and visuals even the whole notion that he's sitting at the same height as the buildings completely just falls apart.
How does it make that wide shot unusable? I'll explain that now.
3.5m/27 * 297.11 = 38.5142593m
But if we ignore the px scaling and just count there are 14 floors so 3.5 * 14 = 49m
Both of those show Kashimo is way higher than the buildings and isn't sitting at the same height as them, it also proves another inconsistency in Gege's art since it shows in the wide shot the buildings are at least 25 floors or 87.5m in height which again directly disproves that Kashimo is sitting at the same height as the buildings.
this shot if you use the buildings would make it seem like its barely between 100m~125m above the ground which feeds into those inconsistencies with the environments, its why it should be ignored and why KT's method works best since it only uses people and the domain that are in direct relation with the block so you can ignore the inconsistent presentation of the environment of which there are a lot in this case as gege's entire sense of scale is just swamped here for some reason. That doesn't mean we say oh well and use it anyways and its because it has these inconsistencies that I feel like using any other methods ends up purposely creating their own internal inconsistencies that can be avoided if you ignore everything else for just the Ice itself
like I will admit its not entirely anyones fault either because for this specific scene Gege's art is just really **** ass for some reason and really inconsistent and its like more than anything he just presented the scale really ******* bad here with his visuals not at all aligning with what the claims he made with people just having no choice but to pick up the pieces and since that's the reality of it I'd say KT's has the most direct method with the least assumptions and use of the bad scaled art
How does it make that wide shot unusable? I'll explain that now.
3.5m/27 * 297.11 = 38.5142593m
But if we ignore the px scaling and just count there are 14 floors so 3.5 * 14 = 49m
Both of those show Kashimo is way higher than the buildings and isn't sitting at the same height as them, it also proves another inconsistency in Gege's art since it shows in the wide shot the buildings are at least 25 floors or 87.5m in height which again directly disproves that Kashimo is sitting at the same height as the buildings.
this shot if you use the buildings would make it seem like its barely between 100m~125m above the ground which feeds into those inconsistencies with the environments, its why it should be ignored and why KT's method works best since it only uses people and the domain that are in direct relation with the block so you can ignore the inconsistent presentation of the environment of which there are a lot in this case as gege's entire sense of scale is just swamped here for some reason. That doesn't mean we say oh well and use it anyways and its because it has these inconsistencies that I feel like using any other methods ends up purposely creating their own internal inconsistencies that can be avoided if you ignore everything else for just the Ice itself
like I will admit its not entirely anyones fault either because for this specific scene Gege's art is just really **** ass for some reason and really inconsistent and its like more than anything he just presented the scale really ******* bad here with his visuals not at all aligning with what the claims he made with people just having no choice but to pick up the pieces and since that's the reality of it I'd say KT's has the most direct method with the least assumptions and use of the bad scaled art
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Are we including Rodrii's calc here? His is a lot better than mine
OjeTheArcher15
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Dale seems to think tempest calc is better
Since the perspective is sort of ****** up
Rodriiogo
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Isn't that because the buildings are way too far away from the camera when compared to the ice:
(Sukuna and the ice should be around the middle of the crater since Sukuna was right below where the hollow purple started expanding)
So the buildings are over 500 meters away from where Sukuna and the Ice are, and Kashimo would likely be on the hundred meters away (From the buildings) since he was rushing at Sukuna.
I don't think there's any inconsistency in the framing, its just perspective from how far away they are.
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I also don't think using the domain as a perspective is right, since, again first off, Kashimo was 203 meters off-ground yet the ice looks EXTREMELY far away to where he is, the Ice even likely started it's fall from like 500+ meters above ground, this because, since hollow purple exploded in all directions, and Uraume obviously wouldn't wanna get hit by it. This also matches how far away it was compared to where Kashimo is (I still think we should only use 300 meters, don't get me wrong, just noting it for the next point), yet despite this, the Ice was falling rapidly as it goes from that much far away to reaching near Sukuna in just 3 pages.
The reason why that is important is because as the domain page says: "Despite Hakari trapping Uraume within his domain... the block of ice continued plummeting toward the earth."
So the ice didn't "slow down" or anything, even using 300+ meters and assuming 3 seconds for how long it took to reach near sukuna, it would mean the ice is plummeting at almost 100m/s. So by the time Hakari's domain is finishing expanding, the ice would have already fallen down alot more meters and isn't in the same perspective as the domain, the same would apply to the humans when compared to the domain aswell.
Though I will agree Gege really can't decide where the domain even is during the chapters lmao, idt the ice is that small tho, it doesn't even look that small when compared to the 1000+ meters diameter crater aswell so like
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Rodriiogo
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Just to add, I also think dismissing a canon size because of paneling inconsistencies is ridiculous.Isn't that because the buildings are way too far away from the camera when compared to the ice:
(Sukuna and the ice should be around the middle of the crater since Sukuna was right below where the hollow purple started expanding)
So the buildings are over 500 meters away from where Sukuna and the Ice are, and Kashimo would likely be on the hundred meters away (From the buildings) since he was rushing at Sukuna.
I don't think there's any inconsistency in the framing, its just perspective from how far away they are.
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I also don't think using the domain as a perspective is right, since, again first off, Kashimo was 203 meters off-ground yet the ice looks EXTREMELY far away to where he is, the Ice even likely started it's fall from like 500+ meters above ground, this because, since hollow purple exploded in all directions, and Uraume obviously wouldn't wanna get hit by it. This also matches how far away it was compared to where Kashimo is (I still think we should only use 300 meters, don't get me wrong, just noting it for the next point), yet despite this, the Ice was falling rapidly as it goes from that much far away to reaching near Sukuna in just 3 pages.
The reason why that is important is because as the domain page says: "Despite Hakari trapping Uraume within his domain... the block of ice continued plummeting toward the earth."
So the ice didn't "slow down" or anything, even using 300+ meters and assuming 3 seconds for how long it took to reach near sukuna, it would mean the ice is plummeting at almost 100m/s. So by the time Hakari's domain is finishing expanding, the ice would have already fallen down alot more meters and isn't in the same perspective as the domain, the same would apply to the humans when compared to the domain aswell.
Though I will agree Gege really can't decide where the domain even is during the chapters lmao, idt the ice is that small tho, it doesn't even look that small when compared to the 1000+ meters diameter crater aswell so like
I think using the singular panel where we see the canon distance size alongside the ice (this) works best since it minimizes pixelscaling far more than any other alternative end. It’s completely fair to criticize Gege for making the visuals crazy inconsistent, but outright ignoring a size that’s explicitly stated in canon just feels like downgrading for the sake of downgrading, I mean, for goodness sake, the stated distance is literally stated in the panel itself and there's a reason why Kashimo isn't visible in said panel (he's too small compared to the ice). The ice is called a "heaping mass" in the panel, it being that small is weird.
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Not saying it can't be 500m radius to any buildings but that the art doesn't support that here and that its inconsistent so using the ground to ice height or building heights is off.Isn't that because the buildings are way too far away from the camera when compared to the ice:
Lets take this shot again for example
3.5m * 1606/[27*2*tan(70deg/2)] =148.659629m
the buildings in are only about 150m away from Kashimo actually who is apparently right under the Ice here but the art isn't representative of that at all again it shows the scale is skewed for this particular feat so its better to just ignore the environment for the Ice itself I feel like.
No one is saying it isn't high up what my post did was point out how inconsistent the art is for this and why it shouldn't be used as a measure heck in the same Kashimo shot there is rubble right below him and right under the Ice block even directly on the same plane that would apparently be like hundreds of meters tall which the art obviously on the correct scale there in big shot everyone is using, heck even if you used the distance from the center where the Ice block and falling and try a radius to where the buildings are you'd get over 500m easy heck you'd end up with like 600~700m measuring with that because again its not drawn to scale or at least not an accurate one.
Peep this because this is the best shot yall have for measuring the actual height of it, Let's use the domain size KT got real quick.
9.5565575999275m * 559/[6*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 635.777657m
This wouldn't be inconsistent with Kashimo jumping 203m high and still having the Ice tower over him however it would again go to show Gege's presentation of this is just bad and the art is wholly flawed or inconsistent and a work around instead of just using height from ground up is better due to internal inconsistencies of shots. Just measuring from the Ice itself I feel will always be best here.
Heck even if you don't wanna scale from the shots I have a problem with unless you're just using it to measure the dimensions of the Ice alone I feel like there is a better method if you're still wanting a bigger number and it least doesn't rely on the inconsistent and bad art to try and scale it from
635.777657m - 203m = 432.777657m
2*tan(70deg/2) * 432.777657m * 67/430 = 94.4339066m diameter for the Ice which at LEAST is more consistent than doing it any other way with bad scaled images or picking a random spot and scaling from there
so its either you do what KT did or ya do something like this but otherwise I can't accept how you're doing it
OjeTheArcher15
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Meaning you'll have to recalc it then
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No one ignored it any version of the calc, the images you scaled from are simply flawed and should be called out as such, thats not anyone being ignorant to it or ignoring it either don't place that on them for having a different result or method than you
Rodriiogo
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I'm not saying that, mb if it sounded like that, I was saying it felt like we are taking pixel scaling and the paneling over the actual canon distance in that case. This basically:
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