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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

It's because Choso barely won against start of Shibuya Yuji, and end of Shibuya Yuji seems unrecognizable to him from how much he's grown even when weakened.
Choso says Yuji’s power in Shibuya already shocked him, but since then he’s added finesse and has a more fluid control over his CE.
Unless I got a janky translation, he isn’t saying Yuji got +10 AP or something, Yuji has become a better fighter along with fluid control of his CE.
If Choso was on Yuta and Yuki's level, Kenjaku wouldn't have pulled out a Domain at the start of the fight against Yuki (and still struggle against her) He also clearly thought Yuki was a hassle while Choso was light work for him, barely even considering him a threat.
This is true don’t disagree, but you gonna actually acknowledge what I’m saying.
Kenjaku’s thoughts on Yuki is irrelevant, in terms of just pure punching power, Yuki is probably the strongest in the series, if Kenjaku got hit with a single attack head on that’s GGs. Outside of that, her domain is probably weak, her efficiency is dog water, no CE pool, etc.
She’s the hulk.
Yuta is the opposite, crazy domain, superior efficiency, a wide array of abilities, Rika, basically unlimited CE, he’s physically strong but not on the level of Yuki.
Matchups really matter, and in the sense where Yuki could push Kenjaku to a mid diff fight, Yuta would also do the same due to his own set abilities, even though Yuki is physically far superior.
Where does Choso come into the mix? As a normal ass sorcerer he’s physically strong enough for Tengen to be ok with replacing either Yuta or Yuki with him to be their bodyguard. Choso has no domain, no super deep bag, nothing special outside of just being strong. To the point where Tengen is ok with him swapping out Yuki or Yuta.
That’s how I interpret things.
 
Choso says Yuji’s power in Shibuya already shocked him, but since then he’s added finesse and has a more fluid control over his CE.
Unless I got a janky translation, he isn’t saying Yuji got +10 AP or something, Yuji has become a better fighter along with fluid control of his CE.
Which would allow him to close the gap between Choso, who he could barely beat beforehand. Becoming a better fighter and gaining better control of your CE would make you a better sorcerer too
her domain is probably weak,
"Probably" 😭
her efficiency is dog water, no CE pool, etc.
Where are you getting this from?
Where does Choso come into the mix? As a normal ass sorcerer he’s physically strong enough for Tengen to be ok with replacing either Yuta or Yuki with him to be their bodyguard. Choso has no domain, no super deep bag, nothing special outside of just being strong. To the point where Tengen is ok with him swapping out Yuki or Yuta.
That’s how I interpret things.
Tengen probably knew that they'd need a strong sorcerer like Yuta and Yuki to take part in the Culling Game but also needed proper guards, Megumi has practically nothing on him except Mahoraga and also would probably want to actively be working to save his sister, Yuji is self-explanatory and Maki was extremely weak at the time, so the only other option left was Choso. Who was both a decent fighter, had personal beef against Kenjaku and didn't have a Sukuna in him. It's not that Choso is on their level, it's that he's the only other option left and either Yuki and Yuta's help in the Culling Game would be crucial.
 
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Which would allow him to close the gap between Choso, who he could barely beat beforehand. Becoming a better fighter and gaining better control of your CE would make you a better sorcerer too
Ok? I didn’t imply differently. Shibuya Yuji high diffs loses to Choso, it wasn’t because of his lack of power, Choso just had a crazy moveset.
CG Yuji with more finesse and fluid CE control would just fare much better and while weakened, his strength is compared to his Shibuya strength. So there’s no doubt that this version of Yuji would dog walk Choso. It isn’t even important to what I’m trying to convey here.
Point is, Choso is relative to Yuji in physical stats.
Yuji being capable of beating him or being shown stronger is irrelevant, Choso is clearly relative to him.
"Probably" 😭
Don’t know, doesn’t matter tbh. That segment was just me describing the differences between her and Yuta.
Where are you getting this from?
She took one brutal attack and went from literally ripping Kenjaku’s arms off with a single blow (I’m not joking, one is hanging by a thread and the other is completely blown off. This attack would have literally killed him if it landed on his head) to Kenjaku just casually blocking them and tanking the attacks whenever he didn’t block them.
It’s much worse cause after she used RCT to restore some of the lost output, she still couldn’t deliver even a fraction of that power. Kenjaku was still blocking the attacks no problem and was literally TANKING ts to the dome. Kenjaku was also weakened via DA, RCT, and being worn out by Choso (more evidence of a Choso upscale???).
Yuki went from ripping limbs off Kenjaku with singular blows to barely damaging a weakened Kenjaku after a single usage of RCT. That’s just shit efficiency.
Tengen probably knew that they'd need a strong sorcerer like Yuta and Yuki to take part in the Culling Game but also needed proper guards, Megumi has practically nothing on him except Mahoraga and also would probably want to actively be working to save his sister, Yuji is self-explanatory and Maki was extremely weak at the time, so the only other option left was Choso. Who was both a decent fighter, had personal beef against Kenjaku and didn't have a Sukuna in him. It's not that Choso is on their level, it's that he's the only other option left and either Yuki and Yuta's help in the Culling Game would be crucial.
I’d like to mention once more that Kenjaku obtaining Tengen meant the end of the world.
Like, ggs.
Kenjaku coming there meant 2 things.
He either wins and that’s the end, or he dies which solves all problems.
There was no in between.
Your point of a strong fighter being required for the CG is true and fair, I agree with that sentiment.
What I don’t agree with is with that being a main factor in Tengen’s thought process.
When talking about the body guard thing, Tengen did not write off both of the SGs protecting them, they were completely okay with the sorcerers having no SG to help them.
Tengen understood that having either of them would be helpful, but at the end of the day, if Kenjaku captured Tengen that’s the end of the world.
When you add both of those things together,
1. Tengen being completely find with leaving all of the other sorcerers with no SG if it meant taking down Kenjaku
2. Knowing that failing to kill means the end of the world
There’s no way Choso would be a choice in the matter unless he had something that’d make him effective enough to combat Kenjaku.
He has NO domain, no special technique that special grades have that set them apart.
No anti domain techniques. Nothing.
Nothing besides being a strong ass fighter. That’s it.
Strong enough that Tengen was willing to risk using him instead of 2 SGs (which they were open to doing regardless of the outside affairs) to take down Kenjaku.
Those are my thoughts
 
Ok? I didn’t imply differently. Shibuya Yuji high diffs loses to Choso, it wasn’t because of his lack of power, Choso just had a crazy moveset.
CG Yuji with more finesse and fluid CE control would just fare much better and while weakened, his strength is compared to his Shibuya strength. So there’s no doubt that this version of Yuji would dog walk Choso. It isn’t even important to what I’m trying to convey here.
Point is, Choso is relative to Yuji in physical stats.
Yuji being capable of beating him or being shown stronger is irrelevant, Choso is clearly relative to him.

Don’t know, doesn’t matter tbh. That segment was just me describing the differences between her and Yuta.

She took one brutal attack and went from literally ripping Kenjaku’s arms off with a single blow (I’m not joking, one is hanging by a thread and the other is completely blown off. This attack would have literally killed him if it landed on his head) to Kenjaku just casually blocking them and tanking the attacks whenever he didn’t block them.
It’s much worse cause after she used RCT to restore some of the lost output, she still couldn’t deliver even a fraction of that power. Kenjaku was still blocking the attacks no problem and was literally TANKING ts to the dome. Kenjaku was also weakened via DA, RCT, and being worn out by Choso (more evidence of a Choso upscale???).
Yuki went from ripping limbs off Kenjaku with singular blows to barely damaging a weakened Kenjaku after a single usage of RCT. That’s just shit efficiency.
She took a ******* Domain hit and couldn't properly heal dude
I’d like to mention once more that Kenjaku obtaining Tengen meant the end of the world.
No?
Kenjaku coming there meant 2 things.
He either wins and that’s the end, or he dies which solves all problems.
There was no in between.
He won in the original series but that didn't end the world, did it? Did you forget the Culling Game and the Merger's rules brother?
Your point of a strong fighter being required for the CG is true and fair, I agree with that sentiment.
What I don’t agree with is with that being a main factor in Tengen’s thought process.
When talking about the body guard thing, Tengen did not write off both of the SGs protecting them, they were completely okay with the sorcerers having no SG to help them.
Tengen understood that having either of them would be helpful, but at the end of the day, if Kenjaku captured Tengen that’s the end of the world.
When you add both of those things together,
1. Tengen being completely find with leaving all of the other sorcerers with no SG if it meant taking down Kenjaku
2. Knowing that failing to kill means the end of the world
There’s no way Choso would be a choice in the matter unless he had something that’d make him effective enough to combat Kenjaku.
He has NO domain, no special technique that special grades have that set them apart.
No anti domain techniques. Nothing.
Nothing besides being a strong ass fighter. That’s it.
Strong enough that Tengen was willing to risk using him instead of 2 SGs (which they were open to doing regardless of the outside affairs) to take down Kenjaku.
Those are my thoughts
Kenjaku directly says Choso's on the level of a grade 1 level sorcerer. He isn't in any conceivable way on par with the SG's, especially not with his ass showings against casual Kenjaku in Shibuya and CG
 
Naoya was pissing himself and regretted his choice of words to Yuji and Choso upon just meeting Yuta. Something tells me it's unlikely that matchup is in Naoya's favor at all

No way Yuta slander getting so rampant mfs starting to think Naoya stands a chance now? Had to whip out the LightningClare translations to put and end to this shit lmao, goodness
 
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Sukuna got a BV to allow him to instantly fire off an attack that rips through space allowing him to kill Gojo, the trade off was all of the added conditions… which perfectly lined up with his Heian form. Sukuna placed those conditions knowing full well it wasn’t going to affect him in the slightest.
Lol, its the opposite of what you say, to activate the technique without a hand sign ONCE he had to place additional conditions on himself for the REST OF HIS LIFE, all for a single use of a technique, its actually an insanely bad BV for Sukuna
 
We agree his ct is reality warping or what?
I can see it given the context, "Chaos and Harmony." They state prior that their CT can make certain events occur. So I don't think defining it as "physics manipulation" is right given that context, not to mention how it attacks logic. It seems to be a limited form of of RW, though, but I can definetly see it.
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Yuta is relative to Yuji during the CG, Choso~Yuji Naoya was putting belt on both Yuji and Choso, does Naoya stomp Yuta?
Genuine question
Genuinely how does one get to such a conclusion

Do you think Yuji thinks he is at the same level of strength and speed as 15F Sukuna? Cause like:
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Not saying Yuta is 15F level either (he isnt lmao), but why would Yuji say this if they are comparable in strength and speed, does he think he can beat Sukuna himself? What's next? 15F Sukuna < Naoya?
 
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