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So, the void that contains all the timelines where Trunks passed through is insignificant 7D?
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Dragon Ball: Low 1-C Neutral Space
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I feel like you're not answering the foundational question of my entire argument. The NZ starts off with 4 dimensions.
I asked if these dimensions are:
A. 4 dimensions of just space
or
B. 3 dimensions of just space and 1 dimension of time.
you stated that it was 4 dimensions of space, is that correct?
I ask this because OP is arguing that the accepted time dimension makes the insignificant dimension, infinite. However, I am pointing out that: if the foundation of the NZ is 4 dimensions of space, then the accepted temporal dimension would already make it 5D, regardless of whatever insignificant dimension may exist.
However, both the OP and the blog state the NZ is insignificant 5D or 4.1D and already included the temporal dimension inside that 4.1D. Which is why I am stating that the OP is applying the temporal dimension twice. First to get the NZ to the 4D minimum and then again to make the insignificant dimension infinite.
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Viet is not saying that.
What the OP is arguing is that the Neutral Zone is spatially 4D with an insignificant 5th Dimension (2-C). It then has it's own time dimension which makes it infinite 5th Dimensional (Low 1-C). Then because the cosmology has an accepted second temporal direction, the totality of existence for a timeline is 4D+2.
The temporal aspect isn't included into the 4D rating for the NZ, as the NZ needs to be spatially 4D in the first place to hold 12 infinite 4th Dimensional universes.
You're thinking the universe's time dimension is being added to the NZ two times, when its not. The universe's have a 4D space time that's contained within the NZ, meaning the NZ has to be 4D. Because the NZ has a seperate time axis, it's also 5D for that reason.
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"Smurfing through time" A Dragon Ball Super upgrade
Hit storing time and then using it for timestop wouldn't automatically involve controlling the hypertimeline, since that would mean he's controlling three different temporal axis (A, B and the governing C body). Without reading any additional comments and just the OP, I would assume it'd just...
In the thread that adds the time dimension to the neutral zone, the OP states that the addition of the time zone still makes the NS 2-C.
Here again the blog:
The Neutral Space is stated to be insignificant 5D (or 4.1D as we've been calling it) and the temporal dimension is included in that 4.1D.
The crt threads were accepted under the notion that the time dimension is included in the original 4 dimensions and then we have the insignificant one on top of it. OP is applying that same time dimension from the foundation 4, to the insignificant space as an additional dimension.
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I think you don't understand or refuse to understand. The insignificant 5D is the 5th spatial axis, the NZ have 5 spatial dimensions, which 4 of it is significant because it contains multiple 4D structures. Thus this make NZ being a significant 4D 2-C structure with an insignificant 5th spatial axis, this is not taking into account of NZ having its own time axis, if you adding time axis, NZ will be 4D + 1 time axis, make it a 5D Low 1-C as a whole. Add hypertimeline which is another time axis, make the timeline 6D 1-C
The cosmology page is also the same, it only taken into account that NZ is the 2-C structure with an insignificant 5th spatial dimension as it is both container and separator of multiple significant 4D structures without counting its time axis, this CRT is to address that NZ have its own time axis added to the mix. Idk why you keeping mentioning the cosmology page like it is some absolute fact that will never be changed while everything can be changed and updated
The cosmology page is also the same, it only taken into account that NZ is the 2-C structure with an insignificant 5th spatial dimension as it is both container and separator of multiple significant 4D structures without counting its time axis, this CRT is to address that NZ have its own time axis added to the mix. Idk why you keeping mentioning the cosmology page like it is some absolute fact that will never be changed while everything can be changed and updated
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Your entire OP is about the time dimension making the insignificant dimension, significant. Why go through this round about way when this method is simple and straight forward?
And explain why the HIt time skip thread, all have everyone mentioning that the addition of the time dimension will not affect the tier?
Why does the blog include the time dimension as part of the insignificant 5D space, but now you’re saying its not? That’s a major discrepancy.
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You are confusing things in hit thread the conclusion drawn was on the basis of weither NZ time axis would be considered hypertimeline or not which was deemed as insufficient but it would have a time Axis of its own
Qaw didn't mention it cause the arguments were different for the hit thread which was arguing the NZ for hypertimeline not using the logic mentioned in op so don't confuse it with that thread insignificant 5d stuff just got mixed up which this thread is aimed at correcting after talking with qaw
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We are making CRT to address the problem, CRTs are for adding, removing and altering information, you are acting like what was argued and accepted in the previous CRTs should stay forever and should not be changed. We have this discrepancy everywhere on our wiki, people found out new way to argue, new angle to look at the argument and evidence, or simply they found out that they missed and not used some crucial evidence and argument in the past
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I'm not saying it should stay forever. But you need a crt to change it. Where is the crt that establishes that the NS has four dimensions of space plus time and plus insignificant 5D? Your current crts and cosmology blog, treat the temporal dimension as part of the original 4 dimensions.
You're putting the cart before the horse.
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No CRT is needed. It's already accepted that the Neutral Zone is a container for these universes which are 4D structures. It's a 2-C space with an insignificant 5th axis. You've been told this multiple times already yet you keep ignoring it. It acts as a larger 4-D space with it's own distinct time axis which in turn makes it Low 1-C. What you're claiming is there is in fact not. Everything has already been gone over here.
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Not how it goes. A low 2-c container can be:
A. four spatial dimensions
B. three spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension
The Hit CRT and the cosmology Blog, treat it as B. No one has actually explained why the cosmology blog includes the temporal dimension in the insignificant 5D, yet here the CRT treats it as separate.
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Iam this is like the what 4th or 5th time we are telling you that this crt is to fix inconsistencies in the cosmology blog which this thread is aiming at
Drop this stuff no staff has problem with above even qaw explicitly mentions how after talking with him we realise what was wrong with our reasoning
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Okay fine. Then I disagree with the purposed fix. There is absolutely no reason for you to assume the neutral space has 4 dimensions of space plus 1 dimension of time. The wiki clearly states that:
a standard low 2-C space can hold other low 2-c spaces.
You need to provide evidence that the Neutral Space has an extra fourth dimension of space. The Neutral space having 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time is the lowest assumption and doesn't require extraordinary evidence.
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Treated as B according to whom exactly? That literally can't be the case since it physically holds the universes, and acts as it's own universe on top of that. The blog already explains it's a 2-C space with an insignificant 5th axis, how it physically holds the Macrocosms which are 4D. This thread also goes over it to recap. We had multiple threads on the Neutral Zone already in fact. The NZ having an insignificant 5th axis means it's inherently 4D spatially, that's why it's a container. Qawsedf also explains this to you.
In the Hit thread, we accepted that there is indeed a time axis for the NZ exclusively, but it wasn't arguing that it grants +1D to the totality of the NZ. It's more like we were under the assumption that it would be a hypertimeline instead which was wrong. This is a new argument. The existence of a distinct time axis for this space does not mean we argued for it back then like we are now. We went over this not that long ago to confirm it qualifies, which it does. Us not arguing for this specific line of reasoning back then until now doesn't mean that the NZ having it's own time axis is false. This thread aims to upgrade it to where it should be based on a greater understanding, and then we will update the blog accordingly once this is accepted. That's kind of how CRT's work.
This is clogging up the thread now. I think everything that needs to be said has been said, so I won't be entertaining this any further.
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Man the Low 2-C spaces "inside" the macrocosm are seperated by dimensional barriers which can't be physically accessed (only for abilities like instant transmission). This is what makes the macrocosm a 2-C structure. And the NS holds 12 of these 2-C structures, which grants it 3 spatial + 1 temporal + 1 insignificant axis.
Why are you trying to complicate it?
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All low 2-c universes are separated by dimensional barriers. Dragon ball had to prove those barriers existed to get low 2-c rating in the first place.
Also you just agreed with me. They’re arguing the NS had 4 spatial + 1 temporal + insignificant axis.
I am arguing what you just claimed.
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wasnt the argument that the NZ has 4 spatial for containing the 12 (previously 18) macrocosms + 1 time?
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No? As far as I can understand the OP, it's something like 3 spatial + 1 temporal (baseline temporal axis) +1 temporal (hypertime/higher order time) = Low 1-C Neutral Space
(There must also be an insignificant spatial axis separating 2-C structures but doesn't count for anything.)
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if this is true i might have to be neutral since im pretty sure in this thread it was said the hypertimeline > neutral zone time > macrocosm the 3 spatial + 1 temporal was for the macrocosms and the NZ was 4 spatial (for holding all 12 macrocosms) + 1 temporal since it was established it has its own independent time.
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No.
First they argued that the temporal axis makes the insignificant dimension infinite, making the NS, 5D.
I argued that they are applying the temporal dimension twice. The NS is just 4D plus insignificant axis.
Now they are claiming that they are “fixing” the cosmology and that the NS has 4 dimensions of space, plus time, plus insignificant. Making it 5D.
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We are arguing the Neutral Zone's time axis adds +1D to the structure which gives it a Low 1-C rating since it's already spatially 4D for holding the macrocosms + the insignificant
Anyways, again, this thread is getting more cluttered than it needs to be, just read Qaw's comments. He explained it as best he could.
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Guys let me sleep bruhh 
The insignificant axis isn't time axis, it is the 5th spatial axis due to NZ being a separator that separate multiple 4D structure, but we are no talking about that 5th spatial axis, we are talking about NZ's time axis, which adding to already 2-C 4D NZ make it a significant 5D or Low 1-C
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go sleep broGuys let me sleep bruhh
ye thats what i thought just making sure. that makes the most sense for 5D IMO and the 6D hypertimeline makes sense for that aswell
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Yea they are are different. The hypertimeline encompasses all timelines within dragonball while the NZ is the space that contains the 12 macrocismsSo like time axis of NZ and Hyper timeline of dB are different?. Anyway Agree FRA
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I agree with CRT and Qawsedf opinion is make sense to me
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Grace have reached; i will applies this thread and lock it. Massive thanks to everyone who have participated in this thread
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can this page be unlocked? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Future_Warrior_(Xenoverse)
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Not the proper chanel but okey
It seems a large chunk of the game profiles will be affected by this, and that wasn’t requested in the APR thread, so can anyone list them?
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Looks like this is finished. Is Chariot still making a counter thread for this from what I saw scrolling, or was that squashed and this thread is good to go now?
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I beleive he is planning to make a different thread that would be long ig so this is good to go
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