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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Apotheosis69 said:
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Bro missed Itadori gambling and Todo reveal
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BiggestOpp said:
Y we assuming Maho’s wheel’s durability is static? If Maho gets stronger is it wrong to assume his wheel grows as well?
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Well a freshly summoned Mahoraga, even with the binding vow, shouldn't be too far off from Muguna's Fully adapted Mahoraga in the og JJK, this Mahoraga is actually probably weaker
 
Rogue_Forge said:
Well a freshly summoned Mahoraga, even with the binding vow, shouldn't be too far off from Muguna's Fully adapted Mahoraga in the og JJK, this Mahoraga is actually probably weaker
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1. We don’t know how strong or weak he should be with this BV
2. Maho’s wheel wasn’t ever hit by an attack while “fresh”, his wheel wasn’t actually targeted until he made 3 adaptions, so this isn’t a fresh Maho.
3. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say this Maho is weaker than OG Maho
 
Even in JJK Megumi and the past head of the Zenin clan summoned Mahoraga with the intention of dying and dragging their enemy down with him
So I really don't see how Yuka doing the same thing makes hers stronger
They were all resolved to die as long as it killed the person in front of em too
 
Gokukid2005 said:
Even in JJK Megumi and the past head of the Zenin clan summoned Mahoraga with the intention of dying and dragging their enemy down with him
So I really don't see how Yuka doing the same thing makes hers stronger
They were all resolved to die as long as it killed the person in front of em too
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BVs aren’t about equal exchange.
Sukuna got a BV to allow him to instantly fire off an attack that rips through space allowing him to kill Gojo, the trade off was all of the added conditions… which perfectly lined up with his Heian form. Sukuna placed those conditions knowing full well it wasn’t going to affect him in the slightest.

Mei Mei was making death BV’s with her birds knowing damn well her only intention was making them slam into people and dying on impact.
She knows they’re going to die, she intends on killing them whenever she makes the BV. What does this change? Nothing, the birds have their CE boosted to the point where people like Kenjaku, Gojo and Sukuna don’t even let them get close, they kill them from a distance.

If Yuka really did place a DBV on Maho then it should be significantly stronger than a normal Maho, probably stronger than any Maho we’ve seen up to date (a BIRD with a DBV can potentially harm god tier characters)
 
I doubt that Maho's wheel change in durability since to kill the very technique you need to destroy it. Not only that, but the wheel represents the Dharma, which is basically the absolute and constant law
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Lazy to get the scans, but it was stated at least twice that Sukuna's lost Ten Shadows once Mahoraga got destroyed (as a call back of Purple pulverizing the wheel)
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I assumed this was due to all of his pets being dead.
Whenever the narrator talk about ways to defeat Maho it never says destroying the wheel is a condition, it’s always telling us that you have to slaughter it with a new attack.
 
Yuta is relative to Yuji during the CG, Choso~Yuji Naoya was putting belt on both Yuji and Choso, does Naoya stomp Yuta?
Genuine question
 
BiggestOpp said:
Yuta is relative to Yuji during the CG, Choso~Yuji Naoya was putting belt on both Yuji and Choso, does Naoya stomp Yuta?
Genuine question
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Nah, Yuta MIGHT be able to deduce the ct and predict it like Maki. Naoya's also just not strong enough to win, he'd likely tire himself out before doing any damage. There's also Yuta being somewhat relative
 
BiggestOpp said:
Yuta is relative to Yuji during the CG, Choso~Yuji Naoya was putting belt on both Yuji and Choso, does Naoya stomp Yuta?
Genuine question
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Naoya might be able to freeze Yuta a few times, but the big issue for him is that he would not predict Rika before she manafested and he'd end up getting caught in his own frame then crushed like a gnat in her palm. Or if he does avoid her, he has to make space and that gives Yuta time to hit him with Cursed Speech (which he definitely would not expect or defend against on first try) and from there it would be wraps
 
Arkenis said:
Nah, Yuta MIGHT be able to deduce the ct and predict it like Maki. Naoya's also just not strong enough to win, he'd likely tire himself out before doing any damage. There's also Yuta being somewhat relative
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Ima point out now that I’m not tryna bait yall rn.

I don’t think Yuta would be able to figure out how the CT work like Maki did.
Maki tells us that due to her HR body, she was capable of perceiving his movements (even if she wasn’t exactly equal to him in speed, her perception was high enough to track him) which allowed her to count his movements and eventually she deduced that PS allows you to make 24 movements in a second.
If you can’t perceive him, then there’s no deducing how his CT works.

If Yuji and Choso couldn’t perceive his movements while he was unstacked, and Yuji is truly on par with Yuta, then Yuta by default shouldn’t be capable of perceiving him.
As for the Yuta being relative to Naoya, that rush he did was intended to blitz Yuji, yet Yuji reacted and outpaced it.
Naoya blitz Yuji. Chalk it up to manga paneling
Duedate8898 said:
Naoya might be able to freeze Yuta a few times, but the big issue for him is that he would not predict Rika before she manafested and he'd end up getting caught in his own frame then crushed like a gnat in her palm. Or if he does avoid her, he has to make space and that gives Yuta time to hit him with Cursed Speech (which he definitely would not expect or defend against on first try) and from there it would be wraps
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Cursed speech heavy telegraphed, I think Naoya should be fast enough to react to it even while unstacked. Naoya’s way of fighting wouldn’t even give Yuta time to use CS in my opinion, he tends to stun lock people whenever he’s at lower speeds.
The Rika point is a good point, and I think that gets chalked up to how you think the fight would play out.
I think more times than not, Naoya wouldn’t be caught by Rika manifesting.
 
BiggestOpp said:
Cursed speech heavy telegraphed, I think Naoya should be fast enough to react to it even while unstacked. Naoya’s way of fighting wouldn’t even give Yuta time to use CS in my opinion, he tends to stun lock people whenever he’s at lower speeds.
The Rika point is a good point, and I think that gets chalked up to how you think the fight would play out.
I think more times than not, Naoya wouldn’t be caught by Rika manifesting.
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For an ability that's heavily telegraphed, most people don't seem able to react to it in-verse. Including Sukuna. Unless you're trying to argue that Naoya somehow has better reactions than Sukuna to a surprise CS I don' t think that argument makes much sense. And Naoya's way of fighting is actually perfect for giving Yuta room, mainly because Yuta naturally makes big and sweeping attacks which would be problematic for him to deal with.
 
Duedate8898 said:
For an ability that's heavily telegraphed, most people don't seem able to react to it in-verse. Including Sukuna. Unless you're trying to argue that Naoya somehow has better reactions than Sukuna to a surprise CS I don' t think that argument makes much sense.
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The reason I say that it wouldn’t work is bc of the speed difference.
If Yuta really is relative to Yuji, then that means Naoya is vastly faster than him, to the point where Yuta can’t even perceive him.
The moment Naoya sees that he’s going for Cursed Speech, he’s doing this and slapping him in the mouth.
Duedate8898 said:
And Naoya's way of fighting is actually perfect for giving Yuta room, mainly because Yuta naturally makes big and sweeping attacks which would be problematic for him to deal with.
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On paper that sounds reasonable but again, stun locking.
That’s not only by utilizing frame freezing, but individual attacks are actually strong enough to harm and stagger people on Yuta’s level.
 
Rogue_Forge said:
Choso is NOT on Yuta's level bro, even in my Choso Upgrade CRT I explicitly note that he's still far below all the other special grades

he can take their hits without dying, sure, but he still takes shit tons of damage
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That’s a little strange, I’ll admit I only skimmed over that thread and won’t give any input because I’m not a JJK supporter, I’ll let yall handle yall affairs.
But how can you scale Yuji to Yuta and not Choso? That’s a big elephant you cannot ignore.

Choso, while slightly weaker, can keep up with Yuji in speed, can endure his attacks and his own blows can stagger and harm Yuji.

Tengen when asking for bodyguards asked for 2 of three people to stay.
Choso, Yuki, or Yuta.
Maki and Megumi weren’t asked to stay for OBVIOUS reasons. I also don’t think I have to explain why Yuji was excluded.
In a situation where Tengen being captured by Kenjaku spells out the end for everybody, why is Tengen putting Choso on the table instead of just Yuki and Yuta? It’s because Choso is on that level, otherwise he wouldn’t be a factor in Tengen’s decision like Maki and Megumi.
Obviously he’s weaker than them, but he is definitely close to them.
 
BiggestOpp said:
That’s a little strange, I’ll admit I only skimmed over that thread and won’t give any input because I’m not a JJK supporter, I’ll let yall handle yall affairs.
But how can you scale Yuji to Yuta and not Choso? That’s a big elephant you cannot ignore.

Choso, while slightly weaker, can keep up with Yuji in speed, can endure his attacks and his own blows can stagger and harm Yuji.

Tengen when asking for bodyguards asked for 2 of three people to stay.
Choso, Yuki, or Yuta.
Maki and Megumi weren’t asked to stay for OBVIOUS reasons. I also don’t think I have to explain why Yuji was excluded.
In a situation where Tengen being captured by Kenjaku spells out the end for everybody, why is Tengen putting Choso on the table instead of just Yuki and Yuta? It’s because Choso is on that level, otherwise he wouldn’t be a factor in Tengen’s decision like Maki and Megumi.
Obviously he’s weaker than them, but he is definitely close to them.
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It's because Choso barely won against start of Shibuya Yuji, and end of Shibuya Yuji seems unrecognizable to him from how much he's grown even when weakened. If Choso was on Yuta and Yuki's level, Kenjaku wouldn't have pulled out a Domain at the start of the fight against Yuki (and still struggle against her) He also clearly thought Yuki was a hassle while Choso was light work for him, barely even considering him a threat.
 
BiggestOpp said:
That’s a little strange, I’ll admit I only skimmed over that thread and won’t give any input because I’m not a JJK supporter, I’ll let yall handle yall affairs.
But how can you scale Yuji to Yuta and not Choso? That’s a big elephant you cannot ignore.

Choso, while slightly weaker, can keep up with Yuji in speed, can endure his attacks and his own blows can stagger and harm Yuji.

Tengen when asking for bodyguards asked for 2 of three people to stay.
Choso, Yuki, or Yuta.
Maki and Megumi weren’t asked to stay for OBVIOUS reasons. I also don’t think I have to explain why Yuji was excluded.
In a situation where Tengen being captured by Kenjaku spells out the end for everybody, why is Tengen putting Choso on the table instead of just Yuki and Yuta? It’s because Choso is on that level, otherwise he wouldn’t be a factor in Tengen’s decision like Maki and Megumi.
Obviously he’s weaker than them, but he is definitely close to them.
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Post Shibuya Yuji gotten stronger dude
 
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