More Len'en Upgrades!!! (Range, Stamina and Miscellaneous edition)

[Steve1775]

Stamina
Everyone in the series should scale to Superhuman in terms of stamina for somewhat scaling to Tsurubami Senri who can fight Xeno A for countless times


Range
Everyone in the series should get at least Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers with danmaku based on the fact multiple characters has shown that their powers have allowed to reach that level of range even with their danmaku
1. Lumen shot a large laser that destroyed two to three mountains with Blitz Spark
2. Adagumo no Yaorochi split the clouds from the ritual site with it likely being Cloud Mowing Sword and its variants
3. Kaoru Kashiwagi drenched the entire capital of Devanagara (which is approximately 65,548.72 km²) with red mist and all their spell cards uses that same power to attack


Miscellaneous
1. Xeno A's Range withe their powers should be changed from Island to at least Tens of Kilometers since while Mugenri is stated to be an Island, we don't have the canon size of Mugenri, so it's best we can just scale it of from greater than Devanagara's size which I stated above.
2. Tsurubami Senri should get BFR for spiriting the outside world humans to Mugenri.
3. Tsurubami Senri should get Interdimensional range with Dimensional Travel for travelling through the spaces and the dimensional corridors
4. Tsurubami Senri should remove Yabusame from Copied Powers since they never copied their powers to begin with as they where even surprised about Yabusame's existence
5. Everyone in the series should have access to the Soul Jar as Optional Equipiment all the main characters from RMI were able to use it including the outside world humans who were BFR'd to Mugenri itself and are not native to the land.
6. Tsurubami Senri should have a new weakness as they cannot access their full strength if they are outside Mugenri
7. Xeno A should get Dimensional Travel since they were able to get to Mugenri by themselves and are implied to be able to leave the place.







Agree: Vietthai96, Random-Helper323
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Steve1775]

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[God_of_perversion]

Everyone in the series should scale to Superhuman in terms of stamina based on the fact multiple teams from Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle are capable of climbing the Pagoda of the Heavenly Mirror which is stated to be 15,500m tall by JyNX in under a short amount of time. (Shrine Team Route, New Emperor Team Route, Preschool Team Route, Scoundrel Team Route, Secret Team Route)

This isn't a feat of stamina but speed (but considering the fact it's a bullet hell series superhuman stamina feats are probably normal)

 

[Steve1775]

This isn't a feat of stamina but speed (but considering the fact it's a bullet hell series superhuman stamina feats are probably normal)

Huh, really? I figured it count considering Marisa Kirisame has Superhuman for climbing the youkai mountain which should be as tall as the pagoda

 

[Steve1775]

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[SomebodyData]

Stamina
Everyone in the series should scale to Superhuman in terms of stamina based on the fact multiple teams from Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle are capable of climbing the Pagoda of the Heavenly Mirror which is stated to be 15,500m tall by JyNX in under a short amount of time. (Shrine Team Route, New Emperor Team Route, Preschool Team Route, Scoundrel Team Route, Secret Team Route)

What God of Perversion said (Also, probably should downgrade Marisa Kirisame if that's the case)

Range
Everyone in the series should get at least Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers with danmaku based on the fact multiple characters has shown that their powers have allowed to reach that level of range even with their danmaku
1. Lumen shot a large laser that destroyed two to three mountains with Blitz Spark
2. Adagumo no Yaorochi split the clouds from the ritual site with it likely being Cloud Mowing Sword and its variants
3. Kaoru Kashiwagi drenched the entire capital of Devanagara (which is approximately 65,548.72 km²) with red mist and all their spell cards uses that same power to attack

Why does this scale to everyone and not just these characters?

Miscellaneous
1. Xeno A's Range withe their powers should be changed from Island to at least Tens of Kilometers since while Mugenri is stated to be an Island, we don't have the canon size of Mugenri, so it's best we can just scale it of from greater than Devanagara's size
2. Suzumi Kuzu should get Technology Manipulation for possessing their own danmaku toys that are called Aftermath Blades
3. Tsurubami Senri should get BFR for spiriting the outside world humans to Mugenri.
4. Tsurubami Senri should get Interdimensional range with Dimensional Travel for travelling through the spaces and the dimensional corridors
5. Tsurubami Senri should remove Yabusame from Copied Powers since they never copied their powers to begin with as they where even surprised about Yabusame's existence

1. Agreed, but could you put the scan confirming it is larger than Devanagara?
2. I'm not seeing how this is Technology Manipulation.
3. Agreed
4. Agreed
5. Agreed

 

[Steve1775]

What God of Perversion said (Also, probably should downgrade Marisa Kirisame if that's the case)

Ahh, alright then

Why does this scale to everyone and not just these characters?

Because danmaku isn’t treated as a unique ability per character. Characters regularly dodge, counter, and clash with each other’s danmaku regardless of who’s using it. If only a few had kilometer-scale range, the rest wouldn’t be able to engage them at all, which isn’t how battles are depicted.

1. Agreed, but could you put the scan confirming it is larger than Devanagara?
2. I'm not seeing how this is Technology Manipulation.

1. It's because Mugenri is the main setting and Devanagara is a capital within said Mugenri
2. Danmaku Toys are weapons/tech used in shooting danmaku

 

[SomebodyData]

Because danmaku isn’t treated as a unique ability per character. Characters regularly dodge, counter, and clash with each other’s danmaku regardless of who’s using it. If only a few had kilometer-scale range, the rest wouldn’t be able to engage them at all, which isn’t how battles are depicted.

That makes sense

1. It's because Mugenri is the main setting and Devanagara is a capital within said Mugenri
2. Danmaku Toys are weapons/tech used in shooting danmaku

1. Agreed
2. Okay, but do they actually manipulate the technology or just use them as equipment / weapons?

 

[Steve1775]

2. Okay, but do they actually manipulate the technology or just use them as equipment / weapons?

2. Seems like the latter.
Also if I'm being clear, I should remove the stamina section and you'll agree to this?

 

[SomebodyData]

2. Seems like the latter.
Also if I'm being clear, I should remove the stamina section and you'll agree to this?

2. Unfortunately, I would go no with Tech Manip then and yeah, if you remove the stamina and Tech Manip parts I'll be good with the rest of the revisions

 

[Steve1775]

2. Unfortunately, I would go no with Tech Manip then and yeah, if you remove the stamina and Tech Manip parts I'll be good with the rest of the revisions

Hello, sorry to interrupt. But could you come again and check the new stamina suggestion to see if it is okay?

 

[SomebodyData]

Hello, sorry to interrupt. But could you come again and check the new stamina suggestion to see if it is okay?

That's more of a speed / evasiveness feat than a stamina feat tbh

If they had to dodge danmaku for hours on end, then we'd be talking.

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

That's more of a speed / evasiveness feat than a stamina feat tbh

Those were my thoughts as well.

 

[Steve1775]

That's more of a speed / evasiveness feat than a stamina feat tbh

If they had to dodge danmaku for hours on end, then we'd be talking.

Damn, wait I have one more idea for stamina

 

[Steve1775]

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[SomebodyData]

The new reasoning for the stamina works a lot better, but we really a lot more context for it to actually matter tbh

 

[Steve1775]

The new reasoning for the stamina works a lot better, but we really a lot more context for it to actually matter tbh

The thing is Xeno A and Tsurubami used to fight a lot with most of their battles always ending in a draw and Xeno A was stated by JyNX to be able to set the possibility of them getting tired to zero

 

[SomebodyData]

Oh wow, in that case you might be able to argue "At least Superhuman, likely Infinite" with that statement (I'm assuming it is an author statement that wasn't asked by a member with the purpose of upgrading the verse, right?)

 

[Vietthai96]

I share the same opinion as SomebodyData

 

[Steve1775]

Oh wow, in that case you might be able to argue "At least Superhuman, likely Infinite" with that statement (I'm assuming it is an author statement that wasn't asked by a member with the purpose of upgrading the verse, right?)

No it is notsince the question was asked at 2019 at peing

Peing/Questions from February 2019

The following is a transcription and English translation of all the Peing questions and JynX's answers from February 2019.

lenen.wiki.gg

 

[Steve1775]

I share the same opinion as SomebodyData

So that means you agree with everything right?

 

[Vietthai96]

So that means you agree with everything right?

Yeah

 

[Steve1775]

Yeah

Thank you!

 

[Random-Helper323]

Stamina
Everyone in the series should scale to Superhuman in terms of stamina for somewhat scaling to Tsurubami Senri who can fight Xeno A for countless times

Okay.

Range
Everyone in the series should get at least Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers with danmaku based on the fact multiple characters has shown that their powers have allowed to reach that level of range even with their danmaku
1. Lumen shot a large laser that destroyed two to three mountains with Blitz Spark
2. Adagumo no Yaorochi split the clouds from the ritual site with it likely being Cloud Mowing Sword and its variants
3. Kaoru Kashiwagi drenched the entire capital of Devanagara (which is approximately 65,548.72 km²) with red mist and all their spell cards uses that same power to attack

Seems undeniable.

Miscellaneous
1. Xeno A's Range withe their powers should be changed from Island to at least Tens of Kilometers since while Mugenri is stated to be an Island, we don't have the canon size of Mugenri, so it's best we can just scale it of from greater than Devanagara's size which I stated above.

Okay.

2. Tsurubami Senri should get BFR for spiriting the outside world humans to Mugenri.

Okay.

3. Tsurubami Senri should get Interdimensional range with Dimensional Travel for travelling through the spaces and the dimensional corridors

Okay.

4. Tsurubami Senri should remove Yabusame from Copied Powers since they never copied their powers to begin with as they where even surprised about Yabusame's existence

Okay.

5. Everyone in the series should have access to the Soul Jar as Optional Equipiment all the main characters from RMI were able to use it including the outside world humans who were BFR'd to Mugenri itself and are not native to the land.

Okay.

6. Tsurubami Senri should have a new weakness as they cannot access their full strength if they are outside Mugenri

Okay.

7. Xeno A should get Dimensional Travel since they were able to get to Mugenri by themselves and are implied to be able to leave the place.

Okay.

I'm sounding like a meme version of Saitama at this point.

All looks good.

 

[Steve1775]

Okay.

Seems undeniable.

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Okay.

I'm sounding like a meme version of Saitama at this point.

All looks good.

Thank you Saitama

 

[Steve1775]

Oh wow, in that case you might be able to argue "At least Superhuman, likely Infinite" with that statement (I'm assuming it is an author statement that wasn't asked by a member with the purpose of upgrading the verse, right?)

So you agree right?

 

[Steve1775]

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