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The Son of God vs The Fist That Turned Against God (Yhwach vs Saitama) (Bleach vs One Punch Man) [6-4-0]

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ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Ok, first off, how is Saitama even going to use a Zero Punch when Yhwach will "see" him start to go back in time, nullify it, and just explode Saitama with the Almighty?
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All Yhwach will "see" is Saitama disappearing. Elaborate on him nullifying and exploding Saitama.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
From what I remember, only a few minutes? (Maybe something changed cuz that was a while ago)
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We don't really know the exact timeframe, just that he went back to before his fight with Cosmic Garou.

However, he showed absolutely no effort in doing this, so it's unreasonable to say that that's his limit.

Honestly, because of how the time travel works, I'm not even sure if it really has a limit, since Saitama converted his body into antimatter and it didn't really seem like he had to "maintain" that state, just converting his body back into normal matter to do the Zero Punch. It seems like it's only initiating and ending the time travel that requires any actual "effort".
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Yhwach literally snapped Ichigo's zanpakuto in half the moment he was using Bankai and his merged hollow form together, sure maybe Yhwach would brag at the start, but I don't see what's stopping Yhwach from picking a future that favors him, especially when Saitama starts growing so much in power that I don't see why Yhwach would mess around and find out.
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I'd like to take this time to point out that the 8.5x AP difference is primarily because of Blut Arterie, an ability Yhwach has to activate manually. Without it, he's actually weaker than Saitama. He also can't use both it and Blut Vene simultaneously. Saitama's growth is so fast that by the time Yhwach notices he's getting stronger, he'll already be so far ahead that Yhwach will be forced to either use Blut Arterie to compete and risk getting oneshot (which won't kill him permanently because of Immo Type 4, but will buy Saitama time to get even stronger) or use Blut Vene and let Saitama continue to grow in strength. He'd also be so much faster than Yhwach by this point that I don't see what he could even really do. Set traps maybe? But he's going into this with no prep time and Saitama's already almost 5 times faster than him at the start.

But just like you with Saitama, I'm not saying Yhwach can't win, it's certainly reasonable that he could, but in order to do so, he'd have to very quickly notice Saitama's growth and immediately body him with Blut Arterie before he pulls away from him and Zero Punches his ass.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Also why are we acting like Saitama is on some Medaka Kurokami type stuff with his power mimicry, he's not copying the Almighty when he has yet to prove he can copy Fate hax and stuff like that.
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He actually kinda is on that shit lmao. Garou states that Saitama can "copy his techniques and surpass them even further" (sound similar to a certain someone?) which should include his portals, and Saitama demonstrates this by copying what Garou calls his "most powerful ultimate technique of [his] fist" which not even he was able to actually use.

I'm not saying he can copy the Almighty fully (considering how absolutely busted it is compared to anything Saitama has copied before, I'd doubt it), but even a lesser version of it would still be a problem for Yhwach. But if he can copy it fully... Yhwach's completely cooked. He just has to watch as his only wincon vanishes before his very eyes, while Saitama still has the Zero Punch.
 
Saitama FRA. He has dealt with more hax'd characters that Yhwach and he adapts to everything thrown at him, he outstats in every other way besides speed no?
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
What are you talking about? He will definitely instantly kill him off rip.
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If he's in character, he probably won't. He'll likely do what he did to Ichigo, messing around and believing himself to be invincible (which, in any other circumstance, would have been justified). By the time he notices Saitama's growth, he'll lock in, sure, but it'll be too late for any of that casual obliteration. I'd also like to again state that Yhwach without Blut is actually both weaker and slower than Saitama at the start, and that gap's only gonna grow.
SacredDao said:
Precog + Fate Manipulaiton = game over lol. Yhwach will see saitama disappearing in near possible future and just uses his almighty before that particular event, to crush him inside out.
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Ironically, he might end up choosing that future where Saitama disappears, since he'd think it's better than many of the other futures where Saitama is speedblitzing and beating his ass because of his growth. Probably not in hindsight, but it is funny to think about.

But Saitama can also at least partially copy the Almighty, like he did with Garou's time travel just by seeing it in action, which would definitely hurt Yhwach's ability to just murk him instantly (not that he could anyways, unless he uses Blut Arterie, since he's weaker than Saitama without it).
 
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yhwach's power is the equivalent of that kid in elementary school playground who says "my power is to do anything and be stronger than you!!" and think he won some sort of advanced argument lmfao. Lame power that a 5 year old could come up with, just "power to control anything" 🤡. But ofc he still loses when the plot demands it because Bleach was being axed lmfaoooo
 
Anyways I'm going to bed. Feel free to debate this further while I'm gone.
 
Jin2188 said:
If he's in character, he probably won't. He'll likely do what he did to Ichigo, messing around and believing himself to be invincible (which, in any other circumstance, would have been justified). By the time he notices Saitama's growth, he'll lock in, sure, but it'll be too late for any of that casual obliteration. I'd also like to again state that Yhwach without Blut is actually both weaker and slower than Saitama at the start, and that gap's only gonna grow.

Ironically, he might end up choosing that future where Saitama disappears, since he'd think it's better than many of the other futures where Saitama is speedblitzing and beating his ass because of his growth. Probably not in hindsight, but it is funny to think about.

But Saitama can also at least partially copy the Almighty, like he did with Garou's time travel just by seeing it in action, which would definitely hurt Yhwach's ability to just murk him instantly (not that he could anyways, unless he uses Blut Arterie, since he's weaker than Saitama without it).
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why would he do that when he can have way better results, for instance obliterating him into dust lol. Plus he would also see him growing way faster and would resort to directly killing him instead of playing with him. He did that to ichigo because he couldn't see his death due to KS or for some other reason but here, that isn't the case.

the last part is NLF, so no comment on that.
 
The idea that you have to prove Saitama can "specifically copy fate manip" to claim he can is hilariously absurd. Restricting copy characters to abilities they already copied defeats the entire purpose of copying.

You 100% can infer whether a character can copy an ability off of context clues and mechanics of what they already copied. It'd only be a NLF to claim he can copy ANYTHING but inferring it from what we know is completely acceptable.

That being said he can't copy almighty specifically. Copying martial art based time travel doesn't in any way imply he can copy soul hax based fate manipulation.

Also for 0 punch, Saitama does not grow fast enough to outgrow Yhwach and timetravel in the past to actually win. He'd die in the present/future way before he even went backwards.
 
If Almighty kills Saitama the moment it is activated, Saitama probably won't be able to copy it in time.
 
DavidTPPM said:
The idea that you have to prove Saitama can "specifically copy fate manip" to claim he can is hilariously absurd. Restricting copy characters to abilities they already copied defeats the entire purpose of copying.

You 100% can infer whether a character can copy an ability off of context clues and mechanics of what they already copied. It'd only be a NLF to claim he can copy ANYTHING but inferring it from what we know is completely acceptable.

That being said he can't copy almighty specifically. Copying martial art based time travel doesn't in any way imply he can copy soul hax based fate manipulation.

Also for 0 punch, Saitama does not grow fast enough to outgrow Yhwach and timetravel in the past to actually win. He'd die in the present/future way before he even went backwards.
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So can he copy martial art-based fate hax 🗿🗿

Jokes aside I agree with this
 
Okay guess I'm not going to sleep then.
DavidTPPM said:
The idea that you have to prove Saitama can "specifically copy fate manip" to claim he can is hilariously absurd. Restricting copy characters to abilities they already copied defeats the entire purpose of copying.

You 100% can infer whether a character can copy an ability off of context clues and mechanics of what they already copied. It'd only be a NLF to claim he can copy ANYTHING but inferring it from what we know is completely acceptable.
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PREACH BROTHER
DavidTPPM said:
That being said he can't copy almighty specifically. Copying martial art based time travel doesn't in any way imply he can copy soul hax based fate manipulation.
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That's why I said a lesser version of it. But honestly, if Garou is able to integrate supernatural abilities like portals into his "martial arts", I see no reason why Saitama couldn't at least partially do the same with the Almighty.
DavidTPPM said:
Also for 0 punch, Saitama does not grow fast enough to outgrow Yhwach and timetravel in the past to actually win.
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Yes he does.
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Self-Resurrection & Immortality (Type 4; Yhwach can rewrite the future, even in which he has died to instantly bring himself back to life<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yhwach#cite_note-:684-30"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a>)

No way you believe Saitama wins just for "punching hard"
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This has been addressed already.
SacredDao said:
why would he do that when he can have way better results, for instance obliterating him into dust lol.
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He can't do that because he's weaker. How many times do I have to say that? He doesn't have dura neg or anything like that on his profile, so don't pretend that he can just instantly delete Saitama, because he can't.
SacredDao said:
Plus he would also see him growing way faster and would resort to directly killing him instead of playing with him. He did that to ichigo because he couldn't see his death due to KS or for some other reason but here, that isn't the case.
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Show the scan that says this and we'll work from there.
Doggo said:
If Almighty kills Saitama the moment it is activated, Saitama probably won't be able to copy it in time.
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Yeah but it won't. Cause he's weaker. Can you guys stop now?
 
1. Saitama cannot copy time based hax, he copies matter and anti-matter manipulation, time travel is a consequence
2. In-character ge does not usually copy others
3. How does he kill Yhwach?
 
Rutæhh said:
Can Saitama even see and touch Yhwach? Isn't he a soul
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He has NPI.
Jin2188 said:
That's why I said a lesser version of it. But honestly, if Garou is able to integrate supernatural abilities like portals into his "martial arts", I see no reason why Saitama couldn't at least partially do the same with the Almighty.
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Garou had God hax, Saitama doesn't. Saitama only ever copied stuff that's based entirely around moving your body and never copied any of Garous more supernatural spacy hax like portals, gravity, or radiation.

Garou also saw Saitama copy his martial arts and knew he can copy the time travel and yet he thought throwing Saitama away from earth in space would have stopped him which inherently means he believes Saitama couldn't copy flying or portals.
Jin2188 said:
Yes he does.
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First of all that's bloodlusted Saitama. His growth there was heavily amped by his unnaturally high emotional upsurge.

Second of all, even that took a WHILE to start actually getting high. Like the entire Garou fight happened before his growth jumped to this level. Saitama could jump around jupiter like 5000 times and trade dozens of blows with Garou before even even grew 10x stronger based on the graph.
Jin2188 said:
This has been addressed already.
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The problem is Saitama activating the time traveling to the past happens in the future. So Yhwach just rewrites the future of him traveling to the past.


Also go get some sleep man, it's not healthy to be sleep deprived
 
DavidTPPM said:
Saitama only ever copied stuff that's based entirely around moving your body and never copied any of Garous more supernatural spacy hax like portals, gravity, or radiation.
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He created and controlled anti-matter
 
Yhwach doesnt play around normally. He only did with Ichigo so he can reach peak despair.

And The Almighty is inherently dura neg. It’s Fate Manipulation.

Ichigo with most of his power absorbed by Yhwach is strong enough to 1 shot Yhwach.

Yhwach destroyed his Bankai in every future while Ichigo was at full power.

Saitama getting stronger doesn't matter.
 
DavidTPPM said:
He controlled the already existing particles in his body.
His copying is basically advanced body control
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He did not, in Garou's body anti-matter was created by the cosmic rays, so Saitama either generated those anti-particles or modified his own particles. Either way, controlling atoms is a supernatural ability
 
Entity said:
He did not, in Garou's body anti-matter was created by the cosmic rays, so Saitama either generated those anti-particles or modified his own particles.
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The manga just says Saitama moved the particles like how Garou did.
He's copying what Garou is doing not doing something new.
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Either way, controlling atoms is a supernatural ability
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I'm not saying it's not supernatural. I'm saying it's still just high level body control. Which is vastly different from shit like generating portals or controlling fate
 
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