Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's relevant because to increase her output her eye needs to be open
I don't care about firing beam
I'm telling you right now that Rika output is limited, to increase it she needs to open her eyes

If she didn't increase it then she was using normal levels of output

Doesn't need to be stated we see it depicted everytime she increases her output

There is no mention that a new eye needs to be open to use her CE beam. Also as I mentioned this is a merged version and she is more like cursed tool right now. So I really don't see the correlation between why she needs to show same property as she was with Yuta.

Because he punched with an attack that would be hard for her to take even while fully manifested
Hence reached her limit

That doesn't make sense since Rika can heal even in her partial manifested state. It was never stated as she reached her limit because Ryu's punch but 5mins mode. From what I remember even if it's fully Manifested Rika it would be too much for her.

Where do you think the entire Gojo vs sukuna fight was broadcasted?
It was literally inside rika
She can definitely use storage

Sure still shadow part is not her kit so far

Blocked and evaded
And the general area I sent you helps my case as well
When Tsurugi moved Maru was behind multiple rubble but when Tsurugi finished performing the slash he wasn't behind any rubble again
Bro definitely moved

So did the scan I sent you
Something being shallow doesn't inherently mean the person is durable
He evaded that's why the sword didn't stop at the arm

I don't see the correlation?
The first move Rika did after the slash Maru evaded it

I went back and checked the scene doesn't work like you are claiming since Tsurugi already moved and while Maru noticed that last moment since he was suffering from Curses death affecting his mind. So he was already in a stress.

Then Tsurugi undid the transformation

His CE was drying up later Rika was already removed from his transformation. Then he used the BV. So why he needs to remove Rika if she still had enough CE to keep on fighting?

 

[ZERO7772]

We ALL using kinetic energy for dabura btw

Dabura still blitz everyone.

 

[Electronic74947]

Dabura still blitz everyone.

Exactly, and we use his kinetic energy for crossverse and scale hollow purple to it because of mahoraga's wheel

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

There is no mention that a new eye needs to be open to use her CE beam. Also as I mentioned this is a merged version and she is more like cursed tool right now. So I really don't see the correlation between why she needs to show same property as she was with Yuta.

Sure
But she needs it to use it to increase her output
So she's using CE beams at normal output then

She's not, she's still a Shikigami
The ring is the cursed tool

That doesn't make sense since Rika can heal even in her partial manifested state. It was never stated as she reached her limit because Ryu's punch but 5mins mode. From what I remember even if it's fully Manifested Rika it would be too much for her.

A hit that was difficult to deal with even when fully manifested
"Rika" has reached her limit

Seems like the story disagrees with you

Sure still shadow part is not her kit so far

So an exception not the rule

I went back and checked the scene doesn't work like you are claiming since Tsurugi already moved and while Maru noticed that last moment since he was suffering from Curses death affecting his mind. So he was already in a stress.

Nope
When Tsurugi moved he noticed

Note was he was directly behind a rubble
Let's see where he was after;

Note he's now behind a crosswalk and not behind any rubble except the one he just threw on the ground
Bro moved its inarguable

His CE was drying up later Rika was already removed from his transformation. Then he used the BV. So why he needs to remove Rika if she still had enough CE to keep on fighting?

The binding vow gave him speed so it's probably to make him faster i guess
Anything else is speculation

 

[ZERO7772]

Every Maru feat is Dura upscale btw. Special Grade Dura here to stay.

 

[Electronic74947]

Every Maru feat is Dura upscale btw. Special Grade Dura here to stay.

fr fr

And dura upscale ofc. I just wish he got dura's ct

 

[ZERO7772]

The hell is Dabura gonna upscale from Maru lol.

Maru's ability would be broken as **** if Gege fully explore it tho. One of the best in the series for sure.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Ok two hours and 290 chapters later I found one... simple... fact:

cursed spirits don't explode:

 

[Sir_sun_man]

 

[Sir_sun_man]

ok these are all the instances of a cursed spirit biting the big one and you might notice something, with the exeption of these 4 instances

(hazanoki the bomb boy himself sets of a massive explosion killing multiple spirits)

(maki killing a bunch of spirits in a tunnel and rushing out of it)

(choso killing a bunch of spirits with piercing blood while yuji is rushing out of the tunnel)

(choso setting of a supernova in front of a bunch of spirits)

cursed spirits die and slowly fizzle out of existence, they don't explode or violently erupt they slowly turn to smoke and there is a little line of similarity between these 4 exeptions as well and what are they you ask? well 2 of them are literally caused by someone setting off an explosion themselves (supernova and hazanoki using his body part bombs) or we have a bunch of cursed spirits killed in a confined space with the tunnel exits or vents acting as a funnel from which the smoke created by the passing of the spirits is pushed out through the force applied to it by something moving increadibly quickly be it yuji with the conjunction of choso's piercing blood or maki just quickly existing the tunnel meaning that we have a bunch of smoke focused under a ton of pressure in a single point so of course it would look like an explosion

So KE calc fully applies to yuji's and rika's feat as we see here:

and here:

the curses are all above the city sky line meaning there is no funnel point meaning that the massive fuсk off blast was caused by yuji's dismantle having enough energy to just send off all that smoke into the stratosphere same goes for rika doing it

and before anyone trys something like "oh its an art style change" card:

no

it isn't

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Fuсk man two and a half hours over 40 instances and all I see is just a bunch of curses turning into smoke slowly what a way to waste an 8th of my day.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

hey @AbaddonTheDisappointment if the content mods ask for any backing on the KE calc (story and inverse wise) you can use this massive hodge podge I made here

 

[Sir_sun_man]

actually I am a silly man I forgot these 3 panels:

where rika wipes out a bunch of curses release by kenny and what do ya know no massive explosion, no massive dust clouds just a bit of smoke rising from where she is slaughtering them

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Thanks for all these scans

 

[Zabazab]

You will notice that the Curses that touched Yūji's Dismantle did in fact explode into smoke/dust in the very same page with the massive plumes.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

You will notice that the Curses that touched Yūji's Dismantle did in fact explode into smoke/dust in the very same page with the massive plumes.

Are you replying to @Sir_sun_man?

 

[ZERO7772]

Fuсk man two and a half hours over 40 instances and all I see is just a bunch of curses turning into smoke slowly what a way to waste an 8th of my day.

Bro on some serious grind holyshit

 

[Hk1488]

ok these are all the instances of a cursed spirit biting the big one and you might notice something, with the exeption of these 4 instances

(hazanoki the bomb boy himself sets of a massive explosion killing multiple spirits)

(maki killing a bunch of spirits in a tunnel and rushing out of it)

(choso killing a bunch of spirits with piercing blood while yuji is rushing out of the tunnel)

(choso setting of a supernova in front of a bunch of spirits)

cursed spirits die and slowly fizzle out of existence, they don't explode or violently erupt they slowly turn to smoke and there is a little line of similarity between these 4 exeptions as well and what are they you ask? well 2 of them are literally caused by someone setting off an explosion themselves (supernova and hazanoki using his body part bombs) or we have a bunch of cursed spirits killed in a confined space with the tunnel exits or vents acting as a funnel from which the smoke created by the passing of the spirits is pushed out through the force applied to it by something moving increadibly quickly be it yuji with the conjunction of choso's piercing blood or maki just quickly existing the tunnel meaning that we have a bunch of smoke focused under a ton of pressure in a single point so of course it would look like an explosion

So KE calc fully applies to yuji's and rika's feat as we see here:

and here:

the curses are all above the city sky line meaning there is no funnel point meaning that the massive fuсk off blast was caused by yuji's dismantle having enough energy to just send off all that smoke into the stratosphere same goes for rika doing it

and before anyone trys something like "oh its an art style change" card:

no

it isn't

Multiple instances look blatantly like explosions. And that with only a handful curses. We are talking about possibly hundreds of thousands of curses dying at once. In what world is any KE of yujis dismantle necessary? Why would them dying in a tunnel suddenly change the way they die? Thats clearly just a matter of inconsistency. How would a slashing attack even accelerate the dust upward?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Multiple instances look blatantly like explosions. And that with only a handful curses. We are talking about possibly hundreds of thousands of curses dying at once. In what world is any KE of yujis dismantle necessary? Why would them dying in a tunnel suddenly change the way they die? Thats clearly just a matter of inconsistency. How would a slashing attack even accelerate the dust upward?

Just saying it doesn't help the argument
List the instances

 

[Arkenis]

Drag LS. I'm working on that

Hurry it up we're tryna make Class P a standard, not a dream.

 

[ElJoaki5]

You will notice that the Curses that touched Yūji's Dismantle did in fact explode into smoke/dust in the very same page with the massive plumes.

That doesnt really acknowledge his point in any way dawg

 

[ElJoaki5]

Sun man is right. The ke is usable

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Multiple instances look blatantly like explosions.

go on which one of these look like explosions point em out.

And that with only a handful curses. We are talking about possibly hundreds of thousands of curses dying at once. In what world is any KE of yujis dismantle necessary?

because they don't naturally explode out of 45+ instance only 4 look like explosion under very specific circumstances.

Why would them dying in a tunnel suddenly change the way they die? Thats clearly just a matter of inconsistency. How would a slashing attack even accelerate the dust upward?

because it creates a funnel point man, that leads to all the smoke accumulating in one spot which further leads to any build up of said smoke to violently eject from the tunnel because it has nowhere else to go.

 

[Hk1488]

Sun man is right. The ke is usable

Why? The dismantle itself shouldnt give the gases KE. He himself also lists several instances of curses naturally exploding into large clouds of dust lile with choso or maki or kenjaku.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

You will notice that the Curses that touched Yūji's Dismantle did in fact explode into smoke/dust in the very same page with the massive plumes.

yes because of the dismantle, not because they explode by themselves, meaning what? oh right the whole reason they exploded was because yuji hit them with that level of force.

If I Punch ya with enough force to cause your body to violently erupt is the force that left chunks of your flesh flying as high as the clouds because of me punching you or because your body exploded? oh wait right both happen because of the punch so it doesn't matter

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Why? The dismantle itself shouldnt give the gases KE. He himself also lists several instances of curses naturally exploding into large clouds of dust lile with choso or maki or kenjaku.

they "exploded" because all of the force that caused the smoke to violently erupt came from the dismantle, I throw a punch and I cause a smoke cloud infront of me to move so violently that it looks like it exploded the force of the movement of the cloud is coming from me not the cloud itself.

 

[Hk1488]

yes because of the dismantle, not because they explode by themselves, meaning what? oh right the whole reason they exploded was because yuji hit them with that level of force.

If I Punch ya with enough force to cause your body to violently erupt is the force that left chunks of your flesh flying as high as the clouds because of me punching you or because your body exploded? oh wait right both happen because of the punch so it doesn't matter

Ok so piercing blood somehow causes CS to explode? With what force is PB causing the spirit dust to rise upwards like in the panel you showed. There is literally no component of PB that would do that. The curses naturally release smoke with a lot more volume than their bodies themselves have and they are very close to each other so the dust with volume of a whole mountain gets released all at once. It would naturally expand until pressure equalizes. It doesnt need yujis dismantle for that.

 

[Electronic74947]

The hell is Dabura gonna upscale from Maru lol.

Shallow slash from a full output rika, ryu got a shallow slash from a max output 16f sukuna. Maru ***** himself when seeing dabura therefore Dabura tanks 16f dismantles

Also it was a typo, meant dura

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Shallow slash from a full output rika, ryu got a shallow slash from a max output 16f sukuna. Maru ***** himself when seeing dabura therefore Dabura tanks 16f dismantles

Also it was a typo, meant dura

Maru evaded that slash from Tsurugi
And that's just normal output partial manifestation Rika

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Ok so piercing blood somehow causes CS to explode? With what force is PB causing the spirit dust to rise upwards like in the panel you showed. There is literally no component of PB that would do that. The curses naturally release smoke with a lot more volume than their bodies themselves have and they are very close to each other so the dust with volume of a whole mountain gets released all at once. It would naturally expand until pressure equalizes. It doesnt need yujis dismantle for that.

with what force? brother man:

This is a supersonic stream of blood that can easily punch through rock and concrete as well as bust through the durability of people who can withstand city block levels of force, the sonic boom alone would cause smoke to go through the vents at immense speed as the smoke has literally nowhere else to escape oh and not to mention that this man:

was running full tilt through the tunnel (mind you this scan is from 2 arcs before the tunnel meaning the yuji booking it through the tunnel is leagues faster) combine the two and there you go the smoke would have a load of pressure put on it and the only exit would be the vents at the top of the tunnel from which the smoke erupted from its not that complicated.

I repeat for the last time you can stack as many smoke bombs next to one another as you want, unless you are putting in more explosive power from an external source the smoke won't get kicked up 10 kilometers into the sky.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also watch dabura pull some high 6-C - 6-B level attack next chapter to make all of my effort here today pointless.

 

[Hk1488]

with what force? brother man:

This is a supersonic stream of blood the sonic boom alone would cause smoke to go through the vents at immense speed as the smoke has literally nowhere else to escape oh and not to mention that this man:

was running full tilt through the tunnel (mind you this scan is from 2 arcs before the tunnel meaning the yuji booking it through the tunnel is leagues faster) combine the two and there you go the smoke would have a load of pressure put on it and the only exit would be the vents at the top of the tunnel from which the smoke erupted from its not that complicated.

I repeat for the last time you can stack as many smoke bombs next to one another as you want, unless you are putting in more explosive power from an external source the smoke won't get kicked up 10 kilometers into the sky.

Its a supersonic bloodstream and its acceleration and therefore its force is in the direction of its motion. So why does it accelerate the smoke orthogonally to its direction? And the curses were chasing yuji so yuji would also not really affect the curse dust. Rather than accepting that yujis casual attack doesnt outscale sukunas strongest attack and the dust reaction is indeed just from the natural process after a curse dies you make an assumption that the force behind the expansion is from dismantle(an attack that again goes in a straight direction and has no business accelerating it up). The thousands of curses release gas with a lot more total volume than they themselves occupy. The gas cloud would already naturally get into this position where it expands into a huge dust cloud since the volume of the gas is alreary there. Even without assuming yujis dismantle is the reason behind it it would form like that. A much bigger volume of gas isnt just gonna remain compressed since there is no outside pressure compressing it.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

also watch dabura pull some high 6-C - 6-B level attack next chapter to make all of my effort here today pointless.

Yeah probably gonna be the case lowk.
I see the KE evidence, though lowk I'm leaning more towards the city GPE IMO. I see the point and agree on all ends except for explosion, that ones too low and makes the feat basically useless
I feel like everyone here would agree with the city ends IMO.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Its a supersonic bloodstream and its acceleration and therefore its force is in the direction of its motion. So why it accelerate the smoke orthogonally to its direction?

because it hit dozens of targets inside the tunnel dono how to tell ya this but we never see it exit the tunnel and the force of it exelerating past the speed of sound would be following the stream of blood causing a massive amount of kenetic energy to be dispersed through the air and with each target it hit it would cause even more energy to be dispersed further into the smoke left behind by the spirits and with no where to go the smoke would be pushed upwards by the immense level of energy produced by PB and the sonic boom that follows its use.

And the curses were chasing yuji so yuji would also not really affect the curse dust. Rather than accepting that yujis casual attack doesnt outscale sukunas strongest attack and the dust reaction is indeed just from the natural process after a curse dies you make an assumption that the force behind the expansion is from dismantle(an attack that again goes in a straight direction and has no business accelerating it up).

here's dismantle from sukuna

notice how it kicks up a massive amount of debris? wanna know why that happens? because dismantles are not some lasers they posses some type of mass and through their exeleration they knock up a massive amount of dust.

But hey its anime right? never happens in the manga right? well about that:

Dismantle isn't some perfect cutting force that leaves no trace energy behind it after it is done cutting through something, traces amount of energy would still cause things to move upwards and downwards where ever it just cut through meaning as dismantle has done in the manga and the anime it is pretty in your face about, not to mention that again exelaration force is a thing dismantle will leave a wave of kenetic energy following its path as it cuts through the air.

The thousands of curses release gas with a lot more total volume than they themselves occupy. The gas cloud would already naturally get into this position where it expands into a huge dust cloud since the volume of the gas is alreary there. Even without assuming yujis dismantle is the reason behind it it would form like that. A much bigger volume of gas isnt just gonna remain compressed since there is no outside pressure compressing it.

but the issue again is in the fact that even if you cut them in half as over 40 images have demonstrated to you already, cursed spirits don't just instantly turn to dust meaning that again it wasn't them blowing up bythemselves but through the dismantle causing all of that to instantly happen KE still applies no matter how we slice it.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Yeah probably gonna be the case lowk.
I see the KE evidence, though lowk I'm leaning more towards the city GPE IMO. I see the point and agree on all ends except for explosion, that ones too low and makes the feat basically useless
I feel like everyone here would agree with the city ends IMO.

Im more so fine with getting 7-B possibly/likely 6-C because I do love me the ability to have two seprate tiers of power that I can use to match up characters.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

Im more so fine with getting 7-B possibly/likely 6-C because I do love me the ability to have two seprate tiers of power that I can use to match up characters.

Agree, I don't think we need a hard rating for these kind of things since all of them have valid points to it. I think the GPE one gets the consistency part since JJK is consistently around those city tiers. Not saying I want JJK to be stuck in city hell, and besides, with black flashes, they'd get out of the tier anyways.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also almost forgot

Rather than accepting that yujis casual attack doesnt outscale sukunas strongest attack

my good man it already does:

by default even if we do not use the KE of the attack its already well over double sukuna's high end for fuga:

no matter how you look at it this one dismantle puts sukuna and gojo to shame by a factor of 2.5 to 5.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Bro said doesn't outscale his strongest attack like any of sukuna and Gojo attack can destroy 6 kilometre worth of Cursed spirits

Hollow purple is only one that comes close and it's only 4 kilometres and that's an amped one

Rika and Yuji are on an another level I'm sorry

 

[ZERO7772]

Maru evaded that slash from Tsurugi
And that's just normal output partial manifestation Rika

All I see in Rika upscale.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Bro said doesn't outscale his strongest attack like any of sukuna and Gojo attack can destroy 6 kilometre worth of Cursed spirits

Hollow purple is only one that comes close and it's only 4 kilometres and that's an amped one

Rika and Yuji are on an another level I'm sorry

I mean she better be on a different level having 10F worth of CE stored in that ring every single day for around 60 years.