Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[BeTheWay1rst]

Finished up the calc and it has a bunch of ends depending on what the calc mods want. Well it's KE so it's kind of high

Yuji is cold af

 

[Ralp0054]

So, can anything be gained from Dabura's kick?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Are our brains shrinking?

whats that

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

So, can anything be gained from Dabura's kick?

Ls

 

[Ralp0054]

Ls

According to Wiki standards, the kinetic energy of light is disregarded. So how is this explosion being evaluated?

 

[Zabazab]

Well he wasn't moving at light-speed so that's irrelevent.

 

[Buraqibear]

So, can anything be gained from Dabura's kick?

Drag LS. I'm working on that

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

So how is this explosion being evaluated?

Regular vaporisation of steel and concrete i guess

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Well he wasn't moving at light-speed so that's irrelevent.

It's Ls, not Ls

 

[Ralp0054]

Well he wasn't moving at light-speed so that's irrelevent.

He didn't reach the speed of light, but his kick did.

 

[Zabazab]

It did not.

 

[Duedate8898]

He didn't reach the speed of light, but his kick did.

We don't know exactly what speed the kick reached, but I think lightspeed itself is unlikely since the entire point is that LS is too much for his body. Plus since it looks like they're trying to treat LS realistically, its unlikely he can actually reach LS physically itself

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Lowkey, there should be more tiers in stamina in between Superhuman and Infinite, I just can't think of what you would call them

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Cause Gojo and Sukuna have practically Infinitely more stamina than like, Most Versions of Yuji or Nobara or most sorcerers

Yet they're all the same tier

 

[Apotheosis69]

To avoid misunderstanding, I need to repeat myself. I made this comment because I don't see the possibility of this "KE" being accepted. Is it acceptable?

So long as it consistently scales to other calcs, at least that's what I would say

 

[BiggestOpp]

Cause Gojo and Sukuna have practically Infinitely more stamina than like, Most Versions of Yuji or Nobara or most sorcerers

Yet they're all the same tier

Elaborate.

 

[Buraqibear]

Elaborate.

There's no need for any elaboration, he's saying it's odd having the same "superhuman" stamina stat for people like Gojo, Sukuna and Nobara since they are in different leagues of energy

 

[Apotheosis69]

We don't know exactly what speed the kick reached, but I think lightspeed itself is unlikely since the entire point is that LS is too much for his body. Plus since it looks like they're trying to treat LS realistically, its unlikely he can actually reach LS physically itself

Even if his body can handle it. Anything with mass needs Infinite energy to Fully reach light speed. And with JJK wanting to be realistic and adherring to the laws of physics and relativity. Its safe to say that applies here.

Its a moving goal post, so just try to get as close as possible.

As for the kick itself, its just based on interpretation on where sub-lightspeed lands at, at the minimum. Since he kicked far later when he was trying to get closer to Light. 10%, 50%?

 

[BiggestOpp]

There's no need for any elaboration, he's saying it's odd having the same "superhuman" stamina stat for people like Gojo, Sukuna and Nobara since they are in different leagues of energy

“Characters who can push themselves beyond the limits of any normal human, exerting themselves for long periods of time, pushing on through exceptionally painful circumstances, and acting even when grievously injured.“
What next
“Superhuman+, can exert themselves for an even looooongerrrrr time”
It’s redundant. The definition isn’t static a there can be people with higher stamina than that.
There’s nothing weird about it.

 

[TalkLost6874]

Even if his body can handle it. Anything with mass needs Infinite energy to Fully reach light speed. And with JJK wanting to be realistic and adherring to the laws of physics and relativity. Its safe to say that applies here.

Its a moving goal post, so just try to get as close as possible.

As for the kick itself, its just based on interpretation on where sub-lightspeed lands at, at the minimum. Since he kicked far later when he was trying to get closer to Light. 10%, 50%?

Wasn't he keeping up closely with light? Only 50% seems a bit too low, at least 80%, but more likely 90%.

And isn't the argument that he reached LS with his kick which was why it got destroyed since his body cant handle LS but can handle sub-light speed.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Finished up the calc and it has a bunch of ends depending on what the calc mods want. Well it's KE so it's kind of high

WE ARE SO BACK

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean scaling to Rika who did that feat with her normal output is low-key fair game

Output which couldn't beat Maru lol

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wasn't he keeping up closely with light? Only 50% seems a bit too low, at least 80%, but more likely 90%.

And isn't the argument that he reached LS with his kick which was why it got destroyed since his body cant handle LS but can handle sub-light speed.

80% or 90% does make more sense yeah.

But he never Fully reached light itself, its literally said the "closer you get to light speed". Not being AT it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I know but I'm saying anytime she surpasses her cursed energy output her eyes opens this happens even when a binding vow is made so it also applies here

May be because it's a Cursed tool currently it's properly changed? Rika also didn't pulled Weapons from shadows but stored in herself.
Also I checked the Cursed tool part. It's just Maru guess work not really proved it can't run out of CE. He was just surprised Tsurugi firing multiple attacks. Later states it should be dependent on tier too.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Spoiler

I have so many theories about the ring and Tsurugi that'll prolly be answered next week.
But right now I truly wonder if Yuta even stored CE for decades? When it could've just been his regular amount that everyone except Sukuna sees as virtually boundless and impossible for a normal person to possess. So Maru just assumes its accumulated CE?
Completely spitballing though since Rika does store Yuta's excess CE passively anyway, but Rika nor Tsurugi would be able to output it in one shot under normal circumstances, especially not enough to use up all of it.
It also seems as if Tsurugi made a BV to give up Rika in exchange for gaining his full HR.
Unlike Maki, Tsurugi isn't bound by a twin and needs to give up something himself to gain his full power like Maki said in chap 1. So I believe he did that this chapter. Giving up the ring, his connection to Rika and his grandfather in a sense and even curse energy as a whole becoming fully void.
Maybe a "In exchange for powering this slash, take all my curse energy and my ability to wield the ring." or something.

Yeah I can agree with your take on storage part since it's just Maru assumption. Same can be said about Cursed tool running out of energy which is also his guesswork

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

May be because it's a Cursed tool currently it's properly changed? Rika also didn't pulled Weapons from shadows but stored in herself.
Also I checked the Cursed tool part. It's just Maru guess work not really proved it can't run out of CE. He was just surprised Tsurugi firing multiple attacks. Later states it should be dependent on tier too.

Doubt it to be honest
Rika eyes open when increasing her output even after becoming a cursed tool
This is a constant behaviour of hers, she wants go past her normal output limits?
She open her eyes

Her shadows is where cursed tools are stored normally
Rika is fused that's probably why it's like that instead of the shadows on her Body


I mean the ring is of a higher tier than Tsurugi sword so "doesn't run out of cursed energy" applies here too

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Made this

Already said I was gonna make this

This doesn't affect any ongoing CRT's because he doesn't have a Domain, Black Flash and isn't named Hakari, Yuji or Kashimo

Jujutsu Kaisen: Choso upgrade CRT

Note: This does not affect any current/ongoing CRT's to my knowledge This is actually really simple He can trade blows with Kenjaku and make him dodge his attacks (which is on his profile) He also either damages or was going to damage Kenjaku with his piercing blood, forcing him to deflect...

vsbattles.com

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doubt it to be honest
Rika eyes open when increasing her output even after becoming a cursed tool

Normally no? I understand what you mean but this is a partially Manifested Rika who doesn't have that property? Or it can't be used when Yuta's is not around so since she becoming a Cursed tool changed her?
She merging with Tsurugi is a new concept here too

This is a constant behaviour of hers, she wants go past her normal output limits?
She open her eyes

Idk why you are arguing for over the limit. Since this is not the same case. 5min Rika doesn't run out of CE while here this is different case.

Her shadows is where cursed tools are stored normally
Rika is fused that's probably why it's like that instead of the shadows on her Body

It was never stated or shown previously. She opens her body to give the weapons to Yuta.

I mean the ring is of a higher tier than Tsurugi sword so "doesn't run out of cursed energy" applies here too

It's not narratively saying they don't run out of CE. Rather it's Maru's understanding with little contact. So it may or may not be true. Cursed tool seems to be out of their territory. He is trying to understand it at that moment.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

So, the feat Yuji showed was only one-two level higher than what's already on his profile, that's all.

ah you know just a feat of using one casual dismantle that at bare minumum matches a fuсking hollow purple/fuga or is literally thousands of times higher in power output then them, no biggy.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Which cursed spirit could scatter dust into the troposphere?

no no no, looking at the cloud positions the dust got kicked up past them and accounting for the radius of the explosion and applying it to the height of the explosion of dust, the dust got kicked up past the 10km mark aka into the stratosphere.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

still though about the KE while yes the curses do turn to dust and smoke and do so quickly its never been to this extent yes we've seen these cursed smoke clouds..... actually you know what fuсk it, Ima compile every single curse death in the managa and I'll be back in like an hour or two, see ya lot then.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Normally no? I understand what you mean but this is a partially Manifested Rika who doesn't have that property? Or it can't be used when Yuta's is not around so since she becoming a Cursed tool changed her?
She merging with Tsurugi is a new concept here too

That makes it worse then
Because we know Rika needs to be fully summoned to have access to the CE stored in her
And we know partial manifestations are weaker than the full manifestation and can only get stronger if CE is put in them
CE Rika wouldn't be able to access

Rika isn't a cursed tool, she's a Shikigami summoned using a cursed tool (the ring) as an intermediary

It is but that doesn't mean she abandons how she normally operates

Idk why you are arguing for over the limit. Since this is not the same case. 5min Rika doesn't run out of CE while here this is different case.

There's absolutely no proof she ran out of CE
That's speculation that someone spent decades of cursed energy in a single swing and;
1.) wasn't a death binding vow
2.) Wasn't a full manifestation (so doesn't have access to the CE in the first place)
3.) Could still exist after her entire CE pool has been used
4.) Her eye wasn't opened (Binding vow is irrelevant, the eye opens whether a binding vow is used or not)

It was never stated or shown previously. She opens her body to give the weapons to Yuta.

So what if I accept this?
Then what? we should then accept a speculation that wasn't even implied in the chapter? (Rika never said anything about putting her entire CE in that swing, infact Maru implies the opposite, that Tsurugi undid the transformation)

We use what we know to analyse not what we speculate

It's not narratively saying they don't run out of CE. Rather it's Maru's understanding with little contact. So it may or may not be true. Cursed tool seems to be out of their territory. He is trying to understand it at that moment.

Okay then

 

[ZERO7772]

Modulo Yuji is fog merchant it seems.

The best Modulo feat is still Dabura's sub-light kick by far.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That makes it worse then
Because we know Rika needs to be fully summoned to have access to the CE stored in her
And we know partial manifestations are weaker than the full manifestation and can only get stronger if CE is put in them
CE Rika wouldn't be able to access

Rika isn't a cursed tool, she's a Shikigami summoned using a cursed tool (the ring) as an intermediary

It is but that doesn't mean she abandons how she normally operates

There's absolutely no proof she ran out of CE
That's speculation that someone spent decades of cursed energy in a single swing and;
1.) wasn't a death binding vow
2.) Wasn't a full manifestation (so doesn't have access to the CE in the first place)
3.) Could still exist after her entire CE pool has been used
4.) Her eye wasn't opened (Binding vow is irrelevant, the eye opens whether a binding vow is used or not)

So what if I accept this?
Then what? we should then accept a speculation that wasn't even implied in the chapter? (Rika never said anything about putting her entire CE in that swing, infact Maru implies the opposite, that Tsurugi undid the transformation)

We use what we know to analyse not what we speculate

What I’m saying is that this Rika has shown different properties compared to the Rika used by Yuta. She has similar abilities, but their usage is different—such as summoning a sword from shadows and merging with Tsurugi. Because of this, we can’t say that she needs to open her eyes to fire an energy beam. The narrative in Chapter 179 mentions that she can fire a beam when fully manifested; it never states that an “angrier” version of Rika is required.
Additionally, we have zero proof that Rika can exist after the five-minute mode ends.
I also disagree with the argument that she needs to open her eyes to fire the beam, because the narrative never mentions that she gained this ability after the power-up in Chapter 178. The narrative only states that she can fire CE beams when fully manifested—nothing more.
I also don’t understand why you’re assuming that all of her CE was put into the blast. When I say it, it doesn’t have to be 100%; it could be 80% or 90%. If she can continue attacking at that level of power, then why was the next attack so shallow? And why did Tsurugi undo the transformation if she could simply use another Big Bang–level blast? That doesn’t fit the narrative. If she could spam attacks of that magnitude, there would be no reason for her to implied weaken afterward, nor for Tsurugi to undo the transformation and use a Binding Vow to remove his restrictions.

 

[Electronic74947]

Modulo Yuji is fog merchant it seems.

The best Modulo feat is still Dabura's sub-light kick by far.

We ALL using kinetic energy for dabura btw

 

[Electronic74947]

If next chapter states dabura's attack as the 2nd explosion and rivals 1 quadrillion megatons of tnt while also being 1/100 of a regular sukuna dismantle then will tempest become the text fanum tax and sigma skibidi over gege

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Btw if Yuji dismantle can level 6km range if I'm understanding correctly the range so it can likely destroy the domain from the Inside?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

What I’m saying is that this Rika has shown different properties compared to the Rika used by Yuta. She has similar abilities, but their usage is different—such as summoning a sword from shadows and merging with Tsurugi. Because of this, we can’t say that she needs to open her eyes to fire an energy beam. The narrative in Chapter 179 mentions that she can fire a beam when fully manifested; it never states that an “angrier” version of Rika is required.

We can say that
Those properties we see in Tsurika is an exception not the rule
She needs to open her eyes to use output higher than normal
This is noted in jjk 0 and in Sendai
You'll need evidence to counter that

Her being angrier is Irrelevant, Rika was happy in jjk 0 and under a binding vow to use her full power and still needed to open her eyes
Her emotions don't matter, what matters is her increasing her output which means opening her eyes
We see this in every depiction of her increasing her output

Additionally, we have zero proof that Rika can exist after the five-minute mode ends.
I also disagree with the argument that she needs to open her eyes to fire the beam, because the narrative never mentions that she gained this ability after the power-up in Chapter 178. The narrative only states that she can fire CE beams when fully manifested—nothing more.

That's irrelevant to my argument if we're being honest
My argument is that the output Rika can output is limited
And can only increase when her eye is open
My evidence is both jjk 0 and Sendai correlating an increase in output with her eye opening

And we do have evidence she can exist after 5 minute mode
Sendai literally happened, she turned into a partial manifestation

I also don’t understand why you’re assuming that all of her CE was put into the blast. When I say it, it doesn’t have to be 100%; it could be 80% or 90%. If she can continue attacking at that level of power, then why was the next attack so shallow? And why did Tsurugi undo the transformation if she could simply use another Big Bang–level blast? That doesn’t fit the narrative. If she could spam attacks of that magnitude, there would be no reason for her to implied weaken afterward, nor for Tsurugi to undo the transformation and use a Binding Vow to remove his restrictions.

Cool that would still be increasing her output above normal levels which is impossible since according to you she's in partial manifestation (no CE to access) and her needs to open to increase her output

Probably because he evaded at the last the second
I've actually been surmising this since only his lower torso and outer edges of his arm appears to be cut
If the slice was shallow because Maru was durable it would have stopped at his arm
I'm thinking of something like this
This would make sense seeing that the only thing noted the binding vow increased in that fight compared to Tsurika is speed

And why would bro release another attack like that?
He know he needs him alive right?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We can say that
Those properties we see in Tsurika is an exception not the rule
She needs to open her eyes to use output higher than normal
This is noted in jjk 0 and in Sendai
You'll need evidence to counter that

Her being angrier is Irrelevant, Rika was happy in jjk 0 and under a binding vow to use her full power and still needed to open her eyes
Her emotions don't matter, what matters is her increasing her output which means opening her eyes
We see this in every depiction of her increasing her output

CG Yuta didn't had angrier Rika or opened eye in the beginning. Narrative mentioned she can fire the energy beam. I really don't see why that eye part is relevant here

That's irrelevant to my argument if we're being honest
My argument is that the output Rika can output is limited
And can only increase when her eye is open
My evidence is both jjk 0 and Sendai correlating an increase in output with her eye opening

Eyes open part was never stated to be needed.

And we do have evidence she can exist after 5 minute mode
Sendai literally happened, she turned into a partial manifestation

She was nowhere to be found after Ryu punched her and needed unknown amount of time to come back

Cool that would still be increasing her output above normal levels which is impossible since according to you she's in partial manifestation (no CE to access) and her needs to open to increase her output

Partial manifested Rika can't use storage as far as I remember?
So yeah she definitely shows different properties than when she was used by Yuta.

Probably because he evaded at the last the second
I've actually been surmising this since only his lower torso and outer edges of his arm appears to be cut
If the slice was shallow because Maru was durable it would have stopped at his arm
I'm thinking of something like this
This would make sense seeing that the only thing noted the binding vow increased in that fight compared to Tsurika is speed

He didn't evade from the scan he literally blocked with some rubble and his hand. He clearly mentioned it's shallow.

And why would bro release another attack like that?
He know he needs him alive right?

Rika states she can adjust the power so she should be able to lessen and attack if still there was enough CE after that slash?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

CG Yuta didn't had angrier Rika or opened eye in the beginning. Narrative mentioned she can fire the energy beam. I really don't see why that eye part is relevant here

It's relevant because to increase her output her eye needs to be open
I don't care about firing beam
I'm telling you right now that Rika output is limited, to increase it she needs to open her eyes

If she didn't increase it then she was using normal levels of output

Eyes open part was never stated to be needed.

Doesn't need to be stated we see it depicted everytime she increases her output

She was nowhere to be found after Ryu punched her and needed unknown amount of time to come back

Because he punched with an attack that would be hard for her to take even while fully manifested
Hence reached her limit

Partial manifested Rika can't use storage as far as I remember?
So yeah she definitely shows different properties than when she was used by Yuta.

Where do you think the entire Gojo vs sukuna fight was broadcasted?
It was literally inside rika
She can definitely use storage

He didn't evade from the scan he literally blocked with some rubble and his hand. He clearly mentioned it's shallow.

Blocked and evaded
And the general area I sent you helps my case as well
When Tsurugi moved Maru was behind multiple rubble but when Tsurugi finished performing the slash he wasn't behind any rubble again
Bro definitely moved

So did the scan I sent you
Something being shallow doesn't inherently mean the person is durable
He evaded that's why the sword didn't stop at the arm

Rika states she can adjust the power so she should be able to lessen and attack if still there was enough CE after that slash?

I don't see the correlation?
The first move Rika did after the slash Maru evaded it
Then Tsurugi undid the transformation