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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

ShroobWasTaken said:
I don't think because her output can't be increased beyond a certain level suddenly means her attacks suddenly deal shallow cuts to Maru. I mention again prior to this point with just her fists (not even with SSK) she was performing far more impressively than that.
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I mean the only time she drew blood from Maru was when she smashed bro head with a reinforced rock
So I wouldn't say the cut is weaker than her blows
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
True, but although the attack needed some wind-up and it cost Rika most of her energy it seems. The attack she did right afterwards was so weak it only did a shallow cut on Maru, and even at the beginning of the fight, she did more damage than that.
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Maybe he did a binding vow to release all her power or smth, we will see next chapter.

Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Or maybe Rika was playing around. Like fr think about it. Rika had the SSK and other cursed tools in her back pocket the whole time and just didn’t pull them out until just now.
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Headcanon.
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
I mean the only time she drew blood from Maru was when she smashed bro head with a reinforced rock
So I wouldn't say the cut is weaker than her blows
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Her blows were ragdolling him around, but a charged up slash just gave him a paper cut?
Contextually it doesn't even make sense if you think of the sequence of events.
1. Tsurugi tells Rika a plan that makes her thing Tsurugi is rotten to the core
2. They bring out the SSK and she tells him to focus on swinging while she puts power behind his attack
3. Maru turns around cause he sensed the curses and Rika with a free opening sits there
4. Maru still looking away tries to tell the curses to stop and Rika prepares or starts to swing the sword (speed-lines implying motion)

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5. After the explosion and Maru being clearly stunned Rika is still standing there until the last second
6. After all that sitting there and apparently charging so Rika can put energy behind his attack all they could deliver was a shallow cut.
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This sequence of events makes infinitely less sense to me
 
ZERO7772 said:
Maybe he did a binding vow to release all her power or smth, we will see next chapter.
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50/50 on that, we know Rika with her limiter removed on her output has her eye open which she didn't there so it might actually just upscale CG/Shinjuku era characters since you could infer limiter removed Rika > Normal Rika. Although that'd make Yuji's dismantle less impressive so idk
 
Never before or after does Tsurugi show this level of AP and it doesn't make sense for him to have it anyway. What we have is an outlier feat in a vague context to whatever Tsurugi even did it.

All Gege had to do was to show Tsurugi swing his sword but we don't get even that.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
50/50 on that, we know Rika with her limiter removed on her output has her eye open which she didn't there so it might actually just upscale CG/Shinjuku era characters since you could infer limiter removed Rika > Normal Rika. Although that'd make Yuji's dismantle less impressive so idk
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Probably the latter. Yuji's attack is simply a lot weaker in context if Tsurugi with Rika can pull something similar. I don't think anyone is willing to argue Tsurugi and Maru solo Sukuna.

Such a shame, if these attack were just Yuji and Dabura we would have no reason to downplay them cuz it would only scale to them.
 
ZERO7772 said:
Never before or after does Tsurugi show this level of AP and it doesn't make sense for him to have it anyway. What we have is an outlier feat that in a vague context to whatever Tsurugi even did it.
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Yeah cause it's clearly of an entirely different context, they bring out SSK and they had to deliberately charge up for this attack and not only were Rika's attacks right after pretty weak (they even point that out) but she immediately disappears. Tsurugi and Rika likely can't perform this at base like a spirit bomb (not literally but in the sense that this skill clearly required a lot more wind-up and seems to have costed Rika a chunk of CE)

This makes more sense than Rika and Tsurugi recreationally sitting in the corner for 5 minutes as Maru screeches at curses with his back turned, only for them to prepare to swing their sword and go like "actually nah let's not do that" wait for Maru to get the recoil from the curses and then turn BACK AROUND to face them only to deliver a shallow cut.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
Guys, Tsurugi is in THE SAME STANCE before and after the Explosions.

They were both caused by Yuji.
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I think looking at it in that way just makes less sense. I'm not gonna reiterate the explanation so just check this out
1. Tsurugi tells Rika a plan that makes her thing Tsurugi is rotten to the core
2. They bring out the SSK and she tells him to focus on swinging while she puts power behind his attack
3. Maru turns around cause he sensed the curses and Rika with a free opening sits there
4. Maru still looking away tries to tell the curses to stop and Rika prepares or starts to swing the sword (speed-lines implying motion)

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5. After the explosion and Maru being clearly stunned Rika is still standing despite getting ready to swing the blade 2 pages prior but now she's back to sitting in place there until the last second
6. After all that sitting there and apparently charging so Rika can put energy behind his attack all they could deliver was a shallow cut.

Rika and Tsurugi recreationally sitting in the corner for 5 minutes as Maru screeches at curses with his back turned, only for them to prepare to swing their sword and go like "actually nah let's not do that" wait for Maru to get the recoil from the curses and then turn BACK AROUND to face them only to deliver a shallow cut doesn't work for me.
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ShroobWasTaken said:
I think looking at it in that way just makes less sense. I'm not gonna reiterate the explanation so just check this out
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It kinda makes no sense for Yuji to say he will take care of all the curses and not let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight....only for him to only take out half the curses and let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
I think looking at it in that way just makes less sense. I'm not gonna reiterate the explanation so just check this out
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I want to mention by the this is a Tsurugi and Rika who are desparate to win and they're sitting like a duck while their opponent has their back turned and even when their opponent took recoil from something else they don't take adavantage of that and still sit there like a duck.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
It kinda makes no sense for Yuji to say he will take care of all the curses and not let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight....only for him to only take out half the curses and let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight
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That's actually good point.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
It kinda makes no sense for Yuji to say he will take care of all the curses and not let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight....only for him to only take out half the curses and let them interfer with Tsurugi's fight
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If Yuji is too far to excorcise the other set of curses then it's completely fine, he isn't almighty. It makes less sense for a desperate Tsurika to sit in around and do nothing with a perfectly open opponent (they had like 3 or more opportunities to strike) as they were apparently charging up for an attack only for said attack to do a paper cuts worth of damage.

One has a plausible explanation, the other just doesn't even make sense at all idk how you can justify Tsurugi and Rika wasting so many open shots and then remember they suddenly decided to start swinging the sword only for them to stop 2 pages after?? Why did they stop swining the sword???
 
Someone mentioned this already but debris is shown falling above them from both the front and behind Tsurugi and Maru while Tsurugi still ready to land his attack and Maru having backlash from all the curses. This imply the attack came from behind them.

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ZERO7772 said:
Someone mentioned this already but debris is shown falling above them from both the front and behind Tsurugi and Maru while Tsurugi still ready to land his attack and Maru having backlash from all the curses. This imply the attack came from behind them.
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Still doesn't answer the question of why Tsurugi and Rika were going to swing the sword 2 panels prior only for them to just go back to sitting there.
We know one of the set of curses that got destroyed were behind Maru and that is directly where Rika was facing and according to Maru that is also where she was targetting.

I think the interpretation of "Tsurugi and Rika were getting ready to attack the entire time" actively just makes less sense, they're desparate and they had multiple openings to strike, Maru implies that they aren't even aiming at him and when Yuji destroys one set of curses we see Tsurugi and Rika winding up to atttack as well alongside Yuji but apprently they weren't winding up and just went back to sitting in place.
 
Sakamaki_Fuji said:
They didn't stop, they were just charging their attacks
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They definetly did, in the entire sequence Tsurugi and Rika were holding that pose the entire time but when they showed the panel of them being next Yuji we can see speedlines on their body implying motion, so that means they had started to move.

But two panels later they're back in the same position. So with this interpretation, Tsurugi and Rika were sitting there, began to move but then stopped moving.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Still doesn't answer the question of why Tsurugi and Rika were going to swing the sword 2 panels prior only for them to just go back to sitting there.
We know one of the set of curses that got destroyed were behind Maru and that is directly where Rika was facing and according to Maru that is also where she was targetting.

I think the interpretation of "Tsurugi and Rika were getting ready to attack the entire time" actively just makes less sense, they're desparate and they had multiple openings to strike, Maru implies that they aren't even aiming at him and when Yuji destroys one set of curses we see Tsurugi and Rika winding up to atttack as well alongside Yuji but apprently they weren't winding up and just went back to sitting in place.
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You will have to take that to the author then. Tsurugi is shown in same stance before and after the impact happened.
Maru shows no reaction to such massive event happening and Tsurugi having such AP goes against everything we have been shown in the story.

Also they didn't stop, We never see Tsurugi swing his sword until after the impact.

Next chapter could be prove me wrong but so far this is what I see.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
They definetly did, in the entire sequence Tsurugi and Rika were holding that pose the entire time but when they showed the panel of them being next Yuji we can see speedlines on their body implying motion, so that means they had started to move.

But two panels later they're back in the same position. So with this interpretation, Tsurugi and Rika were sitting there, began to move but then stopped moving.
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Tsurugi would literally have had to cut Maru in half to reach the curses spirits.
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
The worst part of this is that their apparent "charged up attack" only delievered a shallow cut. Prior to this they were able to make Maru bleed with a rock and I'm expected to believe a Tsurugi and Rika, with SSK who are charging up energy to attack could only deliver... a shallow cut.
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Maru is HIM.

Jokes aside, the charge up could relate to the final binding vow he made. Lets just wait for next chapter at this point.
 
ZERO7772 said:
You will have to take that to the author then. Tsurugi is shown in same stance before and after the impact happened.
Maru shows no reaction to such massive event happening and Tsurugi having such AP goes against everything we have been shown in the story.

Also they didn't stop, We never see Tsurugi swing his wrong until after the impact.

Next chapter could be prove me wrong but so far this is what I see.
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I don't have to take it with the author, you're making it sound like it's his intent, this is your interpretation don't try speaking for Gege. The interpretation you outlined actively makes no sense no offense.

Lemme show you the panels
Tsurugi and Rika in their stance.
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Tsurugi and Rika moving (swinging their sword, they were already in the stance prior so it makes no sense to move to get into stance)

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Tsurugi and Rika back in their stance

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Now from what I've just shown you, does this make sense? They were already in their stance, then they started moving to swing their sword, but two pages later they're back in their stance.

Keep in mind this is us ignoring things like
  • It makes no sense for them to miss 3+ opportunities to strike Maru
  • It makes no sense for a charged attack with SSK to do the same damage as they were doing with a rock.
  • It makes no sense for Rika to call Tsurugi rotten to the core if all he was doing was just charging up an attack, it only makes sense if Tsurugi was deliberately targetting the curses so he could hurt Maru
 
Arkenis said:
TCB has, for the first time in history, put out a chapter worse than Werry. We may be in the end times
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I don't think anything TCB can put out can be worse than
"Malevolent Shrine's adaptation" or "Do you really need me to expain to you why I can't use Black Flash? Well to break things down for you it's because of the six eyes"
Generational fumbles
What did TCB even mess up this chapter? I think it was pretty accurate all around.
 
Considering Rika had the sword, I will assume there was a moment in time Yuta had access to the sword and thus had a one shot against anyone not named Sukuna or Gojo, solidifying his spot in the top 3.
 
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