Medaka Box extremely minor removal

[Cipher72]

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination

Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's abnormalities, she should similarly have an inexhaustible power supply

Reference is Medaka Box Chapter 53; Page 18
I decided it's best to remove this as promptly as possible, @FoxySonicMaster108 is currently working on Medaka's profile whilst I am working on the rest, so this isn't a full revision but rather the removal of an egregious misinterpretation.

Reference is Medaka Box Chapter 54 Page 11
The explanation is well very self-explanatory since Medaka herself states that she doesn't have an Endless Supply of Energy
Now to replace this, for her All Fiction Key she would get this;

Nigh-unlimited (After copying All Fiction she can simply negate any fatigue she experiences)

Updated proposal

Stamina: Physically Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore)| Physically Superhuman | Nigh-Infinite with All Fiction (After copying All Fiction she can simply negate any fatigue she experiences allowing her to perpetually restore her stamina)

Minor Space Manipulation, Absolute Zero, Temperature Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Law Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Power Nullification, Pseudo-Time Stop, Pseudo-Teleportation, Vision Manipulation (Erasure), Aura Erasure, Temporal Restoration and Resurrection through Causality Manipulation (All Fiction is an ability that denies the existence[3] of cause and effect.[4] With it Kumagawa can warp space,[5] induce Absolute Zero via erasing the temperature from something,[6] erase people like Zenkichi,[7] erase time,[6] erase the concept of all colours, [8] erase laws,[6] erase memories,[9] erase powers,[10] erase the time needed to move,[11] someone's sight,[1] erase aura,[2] additionally he can even erase his own injuries,[8][3][5][12] or heal other people and things restoring them to a prior state - restoring their stamina, he is also capable of resurrecting himself[4])

References are
Medaka Box manga; Chapter 169
Medaka Box manga; Chapter 56
That's all for this thread.
Agree; @Agnaa (with the Inf speed removal and in spirit)
@Alexander @Antvasima and @Vietthai96 (with Agnaa)
Disagree;

 

[Vietthai96]

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT

Sorry for the ping but you guys' verse

 

[Cipher72]

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT

Sorry for the ping but you guys' verse

Working overtime huh how are you so fast ? anyways idt it's a matter of verse also Agnaa was the one that told me about this so I think he is in agreement (unless he has changed his mind in the last couple of days). Now that you are here don't be shy give you input (I need 3 votes either way)

 

[Vietthai96]

Working overtime huh how are you so fast ? anyways idt it's a matter of verse also Agnaa was the one that told me about this so I think he is in agreement (unless he has changed his mind in the last couple of days). Now that you are here don't be shy give you input (I need 3 votes either way)

I saw it popup on my notification and immediately saw the Medaka Box so.....

Anyway i will propably wait for either Agnaa or DontTalk input first before voting

 

[Agnaa]

Agree in spirit, disagree in practice.

Yeah, infinite should be removed, but I think it's better to index base stamina, and stamina with abilities when it's activated, as it would be with AF. It's important to know what her stamina would be if an opponent could nullify that. And it's also relevant since it's not something she jumps to too quickly in-character.

Also "nigh-unlimited" isn't a proper Stamina rating, and that scan isn't particularly strong evidence that Kumagawa can recover stamina that way.

 

[Cipher72]

Snip

Mb I js copy pasted the outdated Kuma Profile,
Is this better ?

Stamina: Physically Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore)| Physically Superhuman | Nigh-Infinite via All Fiction (After copying All Fiction she can simply negate any fatigue she experiences allowing her to perpetually restore her stamina)

Also this is the only time where he actually negates someone's fatigue and he even says;

“Girls shouldn't try to fight exhaustion”

I can't think of anything else ngl, do you remember ?

So yea....
I put you in removal

 

[Agnaa]

Mb I js copy pasted the outdated Kuma Profile,
Is this better ?

I think we just use Superhuman instead, now, for cases like that.

And there are some other issues I'd take with the formatting, but I don't have time to address all of it.

Also this is the only time where he actually negates someone's fatigue and he even says;

I can't think of anything else ngl, do you remember ?

Trouble is we're not actually told/shown that AF negated her fatigue. He heals her wounds and repairs her clothing, she comments on those things, and he says "Girls shouldn't try to fight exhaustion", which seems a bit weird/vague to me contextually. By saying that, is he actually saying that he healed that, or is he just making a general comment about her prior state?

 

[Cipher72]

I think we just use Superhuman instead, now, for cases like that.

I just copied the formatting in Rimuru's profile because it's a well made one but sure idm either also mentioning Physically puts more focus on her stamina via All Fiction being more hax based so I thought that it would work.

Trouble is we're not actually told/shown that AF negated her fatigue. He heals her wounds and repairs her clothing, she comments on those things, and he says "Girls shouldn't try to fight exhaustion", which seems a bit weird/vague to me contextually. By saying that, is he actually saying that he healed that, or is he just making a general comment about her prior state?

My interpretation is that since she was obviously exhausted from the fight and Kuma simply undid/erased the very events that resulted in her taking damage in the fight thus restoring her, he made that comment. Obviously from Kikaijima's perspective she noticed her injuries and clothes being fixed first so she remarked on those (also atp in time Kumagawa had that whole “I am a healer” schtick so it might have been a subtle hint). Since we know how all Fiction works (erases the cause thus denying the effects) if he simply erases the cause (him taking damage or in Medaka's case her taking damage which would be the very events of her getting damaged) then consequently they won't be fatigued (because the very event that results in her being out of breath wouldn't exist).
To lay it simply
[Getting damaged] -> [Being out of breath/having injuries]
(Cause) -----------------------> (Effect)
If he erases the very cause then he won't be out of breath anymore.
That way he can keep replenishing his stamina as a by product of erasing his Injuries.
I think the statement is meant to be a subtle hint at what All Fiction actually does and I would say he made that remark in context to him healing/restoring her because atp he was on a healing streak (Maguro) and he even remarked how back in middle school he used to “fix” things that Akune brought to him.

 

[Rufy1213]

The problem is that you are saying yourself that it is your interpretation in which I do not see any Objective. Honestly, it seems correct to say that it has infinite resistance through all fiction, simply, but it cannot be scaled through interpretations, this seems absolutely incorrect to me.

 

[Cipher72]

you are saying yourself that it is your interpretation in which I do not see any Objective.

Because there's no objectivity here, as Agnna himself said

He heals her wounds and repairs her clothing, she comments on those things, and he says "Girls shouldn't try to fight exhaustion", which seems a bit weird/vague to me contextually. By saying that, is he actually saying that he healed that, or is he just making a general comment about her prior state?

There are two options, the entire thing is Subjective. There's only “this Subjective interpretation is more contextually viable”. I believe I have explained why my Subjective opinion is more viable.

Honestly, it seems correct to say that it has infinite resistance through all fiction

Where are you getting resistance from ?
Resistance to what exactly ?

but it cannot be scaled through interpretations,

I am not inferring it out of thin air. The argument is whether Kumagawa here was talking about the restoration of Stamina i.e healing her or whether he was talking about her prior state and I explained why it's the former. That's all, there's only “interpretations” regardless of the route you take. If you want to disagree with him having it then that's fine but your disagreement won't be objective either but rather due to your Subjective interpretation of Kumagawa's statements and what it entails.

this seems absolutely incorrect to me.

So I don't really follow the logic behind disagreeing with an inference merely because it's subjective when it's subjective either way.

 

[God_of_perversion]

The problem is that you are saying yourself that it is your interpretation in which I do not see any Objective. Honestly, it seems correct to say that it has infinite resistance through all fiction, simply, but it cannot be scaled through interpretations, this seems absolutely incorrect to me.

Reading comprehension bro

 

[Cipher72]

Where are all these people even spawning in from? I thought this verse was dead.

 

[Alexander]

no, is not dead, and also, I AGREE.
anything to change this verse to something that does not look ugly, it works

 

[Antvasima]

I support Agnaa's conclusions here.

 

[Cipher72]

Trouble

Soryy to bother you but do you agree with my yap and updated proposal If so I can quickly apply the changes.

 

[Cipher72]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway i will propably wait for either Agnaa or DontTalk input first before voting

@Vietthai96

 

[Vietthai96]

@Vietthai96

I support Agnaa's conclusions here.

Me too

 

[Cipher72]

Me too

Agnaa never gave a reply to this, do you think this works ?

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

 

[Antvasima]

Agnaa never gave a reply to this, do you think this works ?

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

I think that we should not grant infinite stamina based on speculation regarding power applications that have not been explicitly spelled out.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I’m not a staff, but I do think it’s heavily implied All Fiction can at least restore it. Although I personally would rather have the “nigh-infinite” stuff not be under stamina, but rather listed as Stamina Restoration with the other Restoration stuff AF already does.

 

[Cipher72]

rather listed as Stamina Restoration with the other Restoration stuff AF already does.

So in P&A ig ?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

So in P&A ig ?

Yeah, I think it'd make more sense that way.

 

[Cipher72]

Yeah, I think it'd make more sense that way.

Maybe something like this

Minor Space Manipulation, Absolute Zero, Temperature Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Law Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Power Nullification, Pseudo-Time Stop, Pseudo-Teleportation, Vision Manipulation (Erasure), Aura Erasure, Temporal Restoration and Resurrection through Causality Manipulation (All Fiction is an ability that denies the existence[3] of cause and effect.[4] With it Kumagawa can warp space,[5] induce Absolute Zero via erasing the temperature from something,[6] erase people like Zenkichi,[7] erase time,[6] erase the concept of all colours, [8] erase laws,[6] erase memories,[9] erase powers,[10] erase the time needed to move,[11] someone's sight,[1] erase aura,[2] additionally he can even erase his own injuries,[8][3][5][12] or heal other people and things restoring them to a prior state and replenishing their stamina, he is also capable of resurrecting himself[4])

 

[Mbpoops]

thank you for reminding me to finish this manga. i agree with the changes

 

[Cipher72]

thank you for reminding me to finish this manga. i agree with the changes

Finish it, it's peak.

 

[Mbpoops]

Finish it, it's peak.

got to the part when my favorite character dies and havent read since (somewhere near the end idk) mb for derailment

 

[Cipher72]

Maybe something like this

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

Yeah, I think it'd make more sense that way.

I think that we should not grant infinite stsmina based on speculation regarding power applications that have not been explicitly spelled out.

Me too

Are you guys fine with this ?

In short

• We are removing Infinite Stamina (Agnaa already agreed with this)
• We are adding the phrase

replenishing their stamina

to his P&A section under the possible use of restoration, keep in mind he already has restoration in his profile.
If Agnaa disagrees with this he can simply make a thread to remove this later.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Maybe something like this

Yeah something like that, although I'd change "Temporal Restoration" to be like "Restoration (Temporal, Energy)" or something like that. I'll wait and see what others think about that though.

 

[AyOgUyS]

has this been applied and if not, what needs to be applied?

 

[Cipher72]

has this been applied and if not, what needs to be applied?

Waiting for re votes

 

[Cipher72]

Me too

I think that we should not grant infinite stsmina based on speculation regarding power applications that have not been explicitly spelled out.

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

Are you guys fine with this ?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Waiting for re votes

ok

 

[Cipher72]

One day I will come and bump this only to get rvr'ed for Necro.

 

[Cipher72]

Me.

I think that we should not grant infinite stsmina based on speculation regarding power applications that have not been explicitly spelled out.

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

Are you guys fine with this ?

 

[Antvasima]

That seems fine to me at least.

 

[Antvasima]

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

Are you guys fine with this ?

@Agnaa @Vietthai96

 

[AyOgUyS]

Waiting for re votes

ok

 

[Cipher72]

Me too

Ik you are online bruh

Medaka Box extremely minor removal

Alright, I didn't plan on revising Profiles just yet instead I will stick to making sandboxes for now. However after I saw this abomination Stamina: Superhuman (Fought Hinokage non-stop for a whole 3 days and nights before being unable to fight anymore) | Infinite, after copying Oudo's...

vsbattles.com

 

[Vietthai96]

Tbh I'm waiting for Agnaa since he is knowledgeable on Medaka