Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Nonynho]

Yeah sure
I'll do it tomorrow
It's 2AM right now so imma go to sleep

good night, mate!

 

[Nonynho]

We still need to at least list Veldora and TDL Rimuru in the blog, since their EP is directly connected to offensive layers

i completely nuked EE from the blog and that was a mistake lmao
how do i write about this corelation?

 

[AlexSamDen]

i completely nuked EE from the blog and that was a mistake lmao

Can't you just revert

how do i write about this corelation?

Now that I think of it, we can probably just provide explanation in the CRT and then only add a minor explanation

 

[Nonynho]

and then only add a minor explanation

shouldn't it be already there when we propose the CRT?
also what is it? tell me for me to put it there ;-;

 

[AlexSamDen]

shouldn't it be already there when we propose the CRT?

We're implementing a CRT first, don't we? Offensive layers are a slightly different topic. And the proof that we need to provide in a CRT is a bit more than what is needed for a blog

also what is it? tell me for me to put it there ;-;

Gonna come up with ts but not at 1:20 a.m.

 

[Nonynho]

We're implementing a CRT first, don't we? Offensive layers are a slightly different topic. And the proof that we need to provide in a CRT is a bit more than what is needed for a blog

I thought we were doing the CRT to implement it together with new layers that were brought up by Astral

 

[Ultimuru]

I need to get into other verse scaling. I need some refreshment.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Yeah sure
I'll do it tomorrow
It's 2AM right now so imma go to sleep

Lazy ass.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Sometimes you can't trust Yen Press translations.

If I hadn't checked the original material, I probably would have given up on the resistance layers.

 

[Neoxxi16]

Sometimes you can't trust Yen Press translations.

If I hadn't checked the original material, I probably would have given up on the resistance layers.

Why?

 

[Lycoris4812]

I need to get into other verse scaling. I need some refreshment.

I got a bunch I'm scaling rn.

 

[Community_Gamer]

It indeed is that Otherworld

But from where did you get that it's inside CW tho?

Where is it relative to the rest of the cosmology then? It can't be in another dimension because how easily individuals traverse from Otherworld to Cardinal World (also I misspoke I meant Cardinal Dimension). Wait actually they due use Hell Gates when traveling between Otherworld and Cardinal World....hmmm it that same as the Otherworld Gate?

Someone wanna verify the Kanji in that because if they are the same then Otherworld is likely in a different Dimension from the Cardinal World which would reinforce that the creatures invading Otherworld are from different Dimensions. I believe there's a line that refers to Insectors and Phantoms as other dimensional invaders.

All this information would make it pretty impossible to argue that World = Dimension especially if Otherworld is described as a massive World within another dimension separated by a larger incomprehensible non-existent space aka the World Gap (yuck, Dimension Gap makes more sense).

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

The Gate to Another World is a new gate that was mentioned in the last volume. I believe Swim created that gate with his power.

 

[Community_Gamer]

The Gate to Another World is a new gate that was mentioned in the last volume. I believe Swim created that gate with his power.

Not referring to that. We've seen Hell Gates used travel, actually seemingly required to travel from Hell to the Cardinal World. We've also seen Otherworld Gates imployed by the Phantoms for their invasions of other worlds. I assume the Insectors also did something similar.

What I'm asking is IF Otherworld is within the same dimension as the Cardinal World?

How we might go about answering that question is the use of the Gates required to travel from there.

So are Hell Gates and Otherworld Gates the same thing? If so, then it's possible that Otherworld is in an entirely separate dimension from the one the Cardinal World is in.

 

[Mido02]

We basically read volume 13.5 world guide and it was mentioned in it that the space between the spiritual worlds and material worlds is called the otherworld but we just need to confirm it by getting it translated here

Not referring to that. We've seen Hell Gates used travel, actually seemingly required to travel from Hell to the Cardinal World. We've also seen Otherworld Gates imployed by the Phantoms for their invasions of other worlds. I assume the Insectors also did something similar.

What I'm asking is IF Otherworld is within the same dimension as the Cardinal World?

How we might go about answering that question is the use of the Gates required to travel from there.

So are Hell Gates and Otherworld Gates the same thing? If so, then it's possible that Otherworld is in an entirely separate dimension from the one the Cardinal World is in.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

We basically read volume 13.5 world guide and it was mentioned in it that the space between the spiritual worlds and material worlds is called the otherworld but we just need to confirm it by getting it translated here

• Insect-type Magical Beasts (Insect)
Insect-type magical beasts like Apito, Zegion, and Razl are not merely insect-shaped beasts; they are semi-spiritual entities imbued with the power of spirits living in the space between the material and spiritual worlds (often called the Otherworld). By nature, they can manifest physically, freely move between the spiritual and material worlds, and invade multiple realms.
Because they possess both physical and spiritual attributes, they are highly resistant to both physical and magical attacks, making them natural predators of demons. They can also evolve under the influence of magic. The strongest insect-type magical beasts eventually take humanoid forms, which allows them to be trained and learn advanced combat strategies. Zegion was trained by Veldora, and Apito by Hinata, achieving overwhelming strength.

?

 

[Community_Gamer]

?

OK but if Otherworld is the space between the material world and spiritual world.....have ever seen or heard of a spiritual world?

The Cardinal World is a semi-spiritual world so where does that lie?

And if this is the case in all realities then Otherworld isn't just far larger than other worlds... Its a ridiculous cosmological encompassing structure for all worlds which makes it moreso the gap between Worlds. Whereas where Velgrynd, Yuuki, and Rimuru were are distinctly a realm of nothingness and beyond comprehension which sees the birth and death of Worlds itself.

I wonder if this actually the World of Death...

Hmm

 

[Mido02]

Well for now I will go to sleep just wait for astral or Alex and they will give you a better answers for it than me

OK but if Otherworld is the space between the material world and spiritual world.....have ever seen or heard of a spiritual world?

The Cardinal World is a semi-spiritual world so where does that lie?

And if this is the case in all realities then Otherworld isn't just far larger than other worlds... Its a ridiculous cosmological encompassing structure for all worlds which makes it moreso the gap between Worlds. Whereas where Velgrynd, Yuuki, and Rimuru were are distinctly a realm of nothingness and beyond comprehension which sees the birth and death of Worlds itself.

I wonder if this actually the World of Death...

Hmm

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I'm just asking for an image of cosmology, Fuze. Because with just words you're giving us headaches.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

OK but if Otherworld is the space between the material world and spiritual world.....have ever seen or heard of a spiritual world?

We have at least seen thale Demon World, in the Manga and ln.

The Cardinal World is a semi-spiritual world so where does that lies

Semi physical also fall under "physical" to be fair. Remember that the 3 worlds V16 detailed inside the Otherworld included a semi physical one.

And if this is the case in all realities then Otherworld isn't just far larger than other worlds... Its a ridiculous cosmological encompassing structure for all worlds which makes it moreso the gap between Worlds.

Well yeh

Whereas where Velgrynd, Yuuki, and Rimuru were are distinctly a realm of nothingness and beyond comprehension which sees the birth and death of Worlds itself.

IIt wasn't "nothingness" though? Sure there was nothing in the immediate surroundings, but both Mai (+Yuuki) and Rimuru saw worlds there, the latter being balls of light in the background as illustration

I wonder if this actually the World of Death...

Hmm

That.... Is something far, far beyond this thing. That's the real "Emptiness" that everything (Infinity Perfection) converges to.

 

[Ultimuru]

I got a bunch I'm scaling rn.

Any recommendations?

 

[Lycoris4812]

Any recommendations?

All novels that you can add to vsbw. I got more if you need it.

• Epic of Caterpillar (Trying to focus on it rn, already got permission to add it to vsbw. Part of a multiverse with a ton of other novels, good hax, lots of tier 1 stuff.)
• Demon Lord 2099 (Some new novel that looks promising.)
• Top Tier Providence (Cultivation novel with good hax and Low 1-A to 1-A stuff.)
• I Am The Fated Villain (Promising series, tier 2 stuff at least from what I've seen.)

 

[Community_Gamer]

We have at least seen thale Demon World, in the Manga and ln.

Semi physical also fall under "physical" to be fair. Remember that the 3 worlds V16 detailed inside the Otherworld included a semi physical one.

Remind me of the quote. I would imagine the semi-spiritual one would be belong to the Insectors and/or Cryptids. Also if that's the case that semi-material falls under physical then I guess it's fitting they'd exist in the Otherworld which literally the in-between space of material/physical and spiritual worlds.

Also now that you mention and with these new translations...is it safe to say Otherworld is likely comparable to if far greater than any Dimension in size/scale? That would also contextualize the whole existing in every dimension thing.

My only confusion is still where tf is the Cardinal World located?! Is it inside the Otherworld? No because you can't even reach the Cardinal World without a special gate even when you traveling from the Otherworld. Which is odd since Otherworld should literally just encompass every single world in the verse.

So if you consistently need long distance dimensional travel type gateway to get the Cardinal World (at least from Otherworld) then is it safe to say that the Cardinal World and Dimension are entirely unique and separate from the rest of cosmology? Idk

Sidenote considering what we know about Otherworld now (there's only one and it's freaking enormous) anyone threatening it's existence or even a sizable portion of it is easily 2-A to 1-C at least.

IIt wasn't "nothingness" though? Sure there was nothing in the immediate surroundings, but both Mai (+Yuuki) and Rimuru saw worlds there, the latter being balls of light in the background as illustration

Yes the balls being the worlds themselves but they also made it clear there's no space, transcend time, and no direction in this place. Velgrynd's perspective basically makes it seem like just trying analyze the location would paralyze you forever or fry your brain unless you are built very different.

That.... Is something far, far beyond this thing. That's the real "Emptiness" that everything (Infinity Perfection) converges to.

I know I was trying to make cosmological soup something actually comprehensible and coherent. Damn you Fuse.

 

[Neoxxi16]

Can anyone tell me the relationship between all-in-one and the world of death?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Can anyone tell me the relationship between all-in-one and the world of death?

yes

 

[Ultimuru]

Remind me of the quote. I would imagine the semi-spiritual one would be belong to the Insectors and/or Cryptids. Also if that's the case that semi-material falls under physical then I guess it's fitting they'd exist in the Otherworld which literally the in-between space of material/physical and spiritual worlds.

Also now that you mention and with these new translations...is it safe to say Otherworld is likely comparable to if far greater than any Dimension in size/scale? That would also contextualize the whole existing in every dimension thing.

My only confusion is still where tf is the Cardinal World located?! Is it inside the Otherworld? No because you can't even reach the Cardinal World without a special gate even when you traveling from the Otherworld. Which is odd since Otherworld should literally just encompass every single world in the verse.

So if you consistently need long distance dimensional travel type gateway to get the Cardinal World (at least from Otherworld) then is it safe to say that the Cardinal World and Dimension are entirely unique and separate from the rest of cosmology? Idk

Sidenote considering what we know about Otherworld now (there's only one and it's freaking enormous) anyone threatening it's existence or even a sizable portion of it is easily 2-A to 1-C at least.

Yes the balls being the worlds themselves but they also made it clear there's no space, transcend time, and no direction in this place. Velgrynd's perspective basically makes it seem like just trying analyze the location would paralyze you forever or fry your brain unless you are built very different.

I know I was trying to make cosmological soup something actually comprehensible and coherent. Damn you Fuse.

That actually reminded me. About something. This quote from volume 23:

My slash became a mighty blade that tore through the heavens, and just like that, it cleaved through the giant Luvelze as well.
Moreover, that wasn't the end. Enormous energy was born, generating void lightning, and there was no sign of the torn sky closing.
Dimensions tore apart, connecting to an otherworld.
Time was flowing there, and it came avalanching in as a tremendous space-time storm.
It swirled just like that, swallowing Luvelze's giant body and crushing it into a compressed collapse.

Raws:

俺の斬撃が強大な刃となって天空を斬り裂き、そのまま巨大なルヴェルジェまでも大きく斬り裂いたのだ。 しかも、それで終わりではない。 膨大なエネルギーが生まれ虚無の雷を発生させ、裂けた空が塞がる気配がない。 次元が裂けて、異界と繋がる。 そちらでは時間が流れており、とてつもない時空嵐となって雪崩れ込んで来る。それはそのまま渦を巻き、ルヴェルジェの巨体を呑み込んでグシャグシャに圧縮崩壊させていった。

It happened during suspended world which was supposed to stop the time across all worlds. If time of the Otherworld was still flowing, can we talk about higher time here? Or is it just Suspended World cannot affect the Otherworld?

 

[AlexSamDen]

That actually reminded me. About something. This quote from volume 23:


Raws:


It happened during suspended world which was supposed to stop the time across all worlds. If time of the Otherworld was still flowing, can we talk about higher time here? Or is it just Suspended World cannot affect the Otherworld?

If we equate Otherworld to the World Gap (which we are currently doing) then SW isn't supposed to affect it in the first place

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Remind me of the quote. I would imagine the semi-spiritual one would be belong to the Insectors and/or Cryptids. Also if that's the case that semi-material falls under physical then I guess it's fitting they'd exist in the Otherworld which literally the in-between space of material/physical and spiritual worlds.

There was order in the other world. It is a semi-material world that exists on top of the spiritual world so as to overlap the spirit world and the demon world. A world that never intersects. There were three major forces competing for supremacy.

The phantoms, who plot to invade other worlds. The insectars, who seek to expand their safe haven. And the cryptids, who spend all of their time fighting and destroying.

Actually, now that I think about it, nvm, this seems to be likely the Otherworld itself (semi material one)...

Though iirc semi physical worlds such as Cardinal world are also just called physical worlds on occasions.

Also now that you mention and with these new translations...is it safe to say Otherworld is likely comparable to if far greater than any Dimension in size/scale? That would also contextualize the whole existing in every dimension thing.

I think it's most likely that the Otherworld itself is the "space" of the Dimensions with the latter being the overarching time axis.

My only confusion is still where tf is the Cardinal World located?! Is it inside the Otherworld? No because you can't even reach the Cardinal World without a special gate even when you traveling from the Otherworld.

Most likely something similar to Star Palace, isolated from other worlds.

Which is odd since Otherworld should literally just encompass every single world in the verse.

Not exactly. For example, Otherworld doesn't have worlds from different dimensions, so as I see it, each Dimension has its own Otherworld as the world gap separating worlds inside it

So if you consistently need long distance dimensional travel type gateway to get the Cardinal World (at least from Otherworld) then is it safe to say that the Cardinal World and Dimension are entirely unique and separate from the rest of cosmology? Idk

Most likely. I mean, even Feldway's fellas needed to go through the labyrinth to get yo the Cardinal World

Sidenote considering what we know about Otherworld now (there's only one and it's freaking enormous) anyone threatening it's existence or even a sizable portion of it is easily 2-A to 1-C at least..

Yeh

Yes the balls being the worlds themselves but they also made it clear there's no space, transcend time, and no direction in this place. Velgrynd's perspective basically makes it seem like just trying analyze the location would paralyze you forever or fry your brain unless you are built very different.

I mean, a regular human transfered to the world gap would be the same. It's just that those who were transfered are damn special.

As for there being no space and time, true, but skills are smurfs remember. Yuuki was able to perceive the surrounding worlds thanks to skills.

I know I was trying to make cosmological soup something actually comprehensible and coherent. Damn you Fuse.

Kekekeke
Maybe Fuse likes tangled speggiti

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Can anyone tell me the relationship between all-in-one and the world of death?

World of Death = Emptiness
The thing that was dreaming inside it = Infinity
Time = Convergence between both of these
All-One= End of convergence and when the distinction between the above two ceases to be

That's the simplest way to put it

 

[Ultimuru]

If we equate Otherworld to the World Gap (which we are currently doing) then SW isn't supposed to affect it in the first place

From Velgrynd statement Otherworld is supposed to "transcend time" but also it have time. If it's not higher time then idk what that is.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Actually, now that I think about it, nvm, this seems to be likely the Otherworld itself (semi material one)...

Yeah that's impression I got. Which would make sense if it's the barrier or surrounding space between the two types of worlds. Maybe the Cardinal World and Otherworld are unique constructs created by Veldanava. The Cardinal World being cosmic linchpin and Otherworld being what holds the verse together.

Though iirc semi physical worlds such as Cardinal world are also just called physical worlds on occasions.

Odd but not rule breaking I suppose.

I think it's most likely that the Otherworld itself is the "space" of the Dimensions with the latter being the overarching time axis.

Well with V23 statement about tearing through dimensions and discovering an Otherworld with its own time axis would make that less likely.

Most likely something similar to Star Palace, isolated from other worlds.

Possibly it's just never explained which is annoying considering what we are learning about Otherworld.

Not exactly. For example, Otherworld doesn't have worlds from different dimensions, so as I see it, each Dimension has its own Otherworld as the world gap separating worlds inside it

So you think that Otherworld is dimensional constant of sorts? Like if physical and spiritual world exist then Otherworlds as a massive semi world exists to encompass and stabilize them?

I think that could make sense but do we have statements that imply there's multiple Otherworlds or are simply applying Occam's Razor?

Most likely. I mean, even Feldway's fellas needed to go through the labyrinth to get yo the Cardinal World

Yeah exactly

I mean, a regular human transfered to the world gap would be the same. It's just that those who were transfered are damn special.

As for there being no space and time, true, but skills are smurfs remember. Yuuki was able to perceive the surrounding worlds thanks to skills.

Ofc it's only due their extraordinary analytical abilities given through the World Language that allowed Yuuki and Co to figure anything out, even Velgrynd as a Ultimate existence wouldn't have discovered anything with her infinite lifespan and analytical abilities.

Kekekeke
Maybe Fuse likes tangled speggiti

Agreed

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Well with V23 statement about tearing through dimensions and discovering an Otherworld with its own time axis would make that less likely.

Afaik both the World-Gap and Subspace (despite being different) are called "Otherworld"/"Another World", prior in V11+16 and latter in V21

Possibly it's just never explained which is annoying considering what we are learning about Otherworld.

There is another piece of information, that being that the spiritual side of the cardinal world is considered "invisible to the naked eye, behind the physical plane" like that "viel that separates realities" analogy.

So you think that Otherworld is dimensional constant of sorts? Like if physical and spiritual world exist then Otherworlds as a massive semi world exists to encompass and stabilize them?

I think that could make sense but do we have statements that imply there's multiple Otherworlds or are simply applying Occam's Razor?

Not exactly a direct statement but we do have some plot devices

• Other Dimensions are considered outside the Otherworld and forces from them are considered as "invaders" to the Otherworld
• So Dimensions = Outside of the known Otherworld
• Aggressors = Exist in all possible dimensions/without exception
• Meaning = Each Dimension has its own "Otherworld"

Ofc it's only due their extraordinary analytical abilities given through the World Language that allowed Yuuki and Co to figure anything out, even Velgrynd as a Ultimate existence wouldn't have discovered anything with her infinite lifespan and analytical abilities.

Yeah, since she didn't have any space-time skills before. Mai and Yuuki on the other hand had them.

Agreed

On that note, when do you think the first after-story be released?
I recall Fuse saying he'll have to change almost all the settings of the WN afterstories since their settings are incompatible with the LN.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Afaik both the World-Gap and Subspace (despite being different) are called "Otherworld"/"Another World", prior in V11+16 and latter in V21

We'll have to look into every reference and statement later on.

There is another piece of information, that being that the spiritual side of the cardinal world is considered "invisible to the naked eye, behind the physical plane" like that "viel that separates realities" analogy.

Hmmm

Not exactly a direct statement but we do have some plot devices

• Other Dimensions are considered outside the Otherworld and forces from them are considered as "invaders" to the Otherworld
• So Dimensions = Outside of the known Otherworld
• Aggressors = Exist in all possible dimensions/without exception
• Meaning = Each Dimension has its own "Otherworld"

I see that's a good argument. Alright I agree that Dimensions are containing Otherworld but not sure I agree that they are their space because what would be point of such a distinction?

On that note, when do you think the first after-story be released?
I recall Fuse saying he'll have to change almost all the settings of the WN afterstories since their settings are incompatible with the LN.

A year

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

We'll have to look into every reference and statement later on.

True. Istg Fuse's writing style makes it so time-consuming to get to a unified conclusion

I see that's a good argument. Alright I agree that Dimensions are containing Otherworld but not sure I agree that they are their space because what would be point of such a distinction?

Because each Dimension has its own different/unique temporal axis. Remember the statement from V21?

A year

Oh dear God
Welp, Ig I'mma be spending that time reading the japanese versions of all the spin-offs

 

[Mido02]

I'm just asking for an image of cosmology, Fuze. Because with just words you're giving us headaches.

Well that's why we are waiting for the manga and anime maybe they will help with their visuals

 

[Community_Gamer]

True. Istg Fuse's writing style makes it so time-consuming to get to a unified conclusion

Because each Dimension has its own different/unique temporal axis. Remember the statement from V21?

Yes, but do you think there are alternate versions of the Phantoms that work independently or collaboratively, because Velgrynd made it seem like they work together? She told them to synchronize timelines and referenced Conru as if there was only one. So was Velrynd only traveling within the same Dimension and never left it?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yes, but do you think there are alternate versions of the Phantoms that work independently or collaboratively, because Velgrynd made it seem like they work together? She told them to synchronize timelines and referenced Conru as if there was only one. So was Velrynd only traveling within the same Dimension and never left it?

I think at least the Primordial Angels don't have alternates, since they existed before the concept of Time. Feldway also said he was observing all the branching worlds to prepare for the case of Veldanava manifesting in any one of them. Although yeah they failed since he couldn't keep up with the amount of parallels branching

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Two Otherworlders fight (Shogo vs Kyoya)

I hate Old people Women Beater Starting distance 20 meters. The area from one piece Women island.... The one surrounded by spikes SBA Kyoya: Shogo: Incon:

vsbattles.com

Bored so mad this, I hope you all come and vote.

 

[Mido02]

All I see is hakurou's victim vs geld punching bag

Two Otherworlders fight (Shogo vs Kyoya)

I hate Old people Women Beater Starting distance 20 meters. The area from one piece Women island.... The one surrounded by spikes SBA Kyoya: Shogo: Incon:

vsbattles.com

Bored so mad this, I hope you all come and vote.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

All I see is hakurou's victim vs geld punching bag

Victim vs Victim
Who'll be the biggest victim!? ⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)