The Long Awaited Hazbin Hotel Season 2 CRT

[DaReaperMan]

I mean Chainsaw Man is badly written, but that's besides the point.

Which one is worse? The worst of Chainsaw Man or Stella?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We don't dismiss things simply because they're deus ex machina.

If they make no sense and are out of nowhere? Sure as heck we do.

And regarding the second part, like, the singing has already been portrayed that way (in the context of singing = power).

Like, the first episode has a scene where Lilith is described as empowering demons with her voice and music.

This is Lilith exclusive. I said this billion times and will repeat again. Why didn't any Sinner just keep singing? ESPECIALLY Vox whose entire campaign is following Lilith's footsteps and

And WOG explains that this scene isn't about emotional power, but about real power.

Say hello to new dozens of hax via singing and Below Average IQ since they never use it in fights!

And before you say "why don't they sing all the time to amplify their power?"

I already said that...

We know it amplifies, but not by how much or how it works. We only know that several overlords and seraphim singing and combining their powers were enough for 5-B.

An amp is an amp. They'd stand better chance in Season 1, 100% Vox/Weakened Alastor'd stand better chance against each other, etc.

One thing being stupid doesn't contradict anything.

Illogicity is completely logical as long as verse is low, gotchu.

Yes, they sing all the time, but what does that contradict about singing being an amplifier?

What I said originally? "Hazbin’s broadaway force was always portrayed as your typical musical."

Isn't that an argument? 99% of the characters on the wiki don't use all their powers in combat; we don't ignore powers because they aren't used consistently.

They sure don't, but they definitely use it at least once, and a very powerful technique would surely be used a hell ton in fights. Oh wait, it isn't.

Like, seriously, Alastor has some things in his P&A that he doesn't use in combat. Like fire hax, he's never used it, so let's remove it then? He can also teleport people, why hasn't he ever used that in combat? Seriously?

Because he can beat them using other abilities that are either as good or simply better? While singing is a direct amp.

Besides, for your argument to work, the characters have to be aware that singing can actively serve that purpose. They might be singing because they like to sing without being aware of this active amplifier (which is normal because these characters sing in all sorts of situations for no reason).

This is why I introduced you to 3.5!

The characters are currently 8-A, not 9-A.

Based off FP Alastor's feat who now canonically stomps any Sinner lol.

Furthermore, why would they be surprised? In terms of the statement, that bomb only had the power to destroy half the city; we're just assuming it has more power than that.

Fourteen 9-A bums don't stop a thing that obliterates half of a giant city that contains ~100B people, m8.

Besides, being surprised or not by something doesn't mean much. The characters' reactions or what they think aren't absolute truths about anything. If an ordinary sinner looked at Adam and said, "Nah, I'd easily defeat you with a single finger," you'd give him the same tier as Adam because "well, this guy is very confident he'd defeat Adam and isn't afraid."

False equivalence. This is just being cocky. Another thing is being a bunch of fodders and not even being surprised y'all stopped something that would annihilate half of a giant city that contains ~100B people.

Actually, we don't do that, otherwise Alastor would already be in tier 7.

He will downscale from General of Exorcists btw.

If you think the characters' reactions matter so much, then why did Husk, the FTL/5-B, react by hiding behind a car when some radar guns fired at him with ordinary firearms?

Guns are the most widespread form of PIS alongside with swords and falling.

Alastor is helping because he's strong and also because he's another person singing, which helps with amplification.

Being strong does not matter, he is 9-A bum, he only gets strong enough to be meaningful via an amp. She can just lend some of her Cannibals souls of other Cannibals to let the selected group use magic and get a much greater help, since you have now way more people under an amp rather than just 1.

14 tier 8 people

Tier 9*

4 tier 10 people amplifying each other. Having more strength helps because it receives more momentum through an amplifier (like math).

Absolute headcanon!

If Emily downgrades Lucifer, and she's normally 5-B, then it worsens the explosion feat, because now it wouldn't be a bunch of 8-A receiving an amplification, it would be a bunch of 8-A and 5-B receiving an amplification and stopping the explosion.

This is my point? It makes no sense for Emily to not stop Lu on her own, since amp is literally 10^23? She should be like 4-B with such an amp.

Furthermore, again you assume they know exactly the mechanics of musical amplification + the argument of "if they have this power, why don't they use it?" + some other yapping

This is without that assumption, this is about shield not being completed instantly the moment Emily sang and/or Overlords help being useless. They do not need to know mechanics of Deus Ex Machina singing for this argument to work.

General of Exorcists was seriously injured

That badly that his durability was lowered by 10^23 I guess?

and attacked from behind by surprise

We are not in Dragon Ball.

Besides, angelic weapons aren't currently accepted as such a significant power boost, otherwise the hotel staff would be 7-C with AWs, which doesn't fit their profile.

Singing is also currently not accepted as multiplier, your point? We are in a Content Thread Revision for a reason, mate.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Which one is worse? The worst of Chainsaw Man or Stella?

This is some "Would you rather be mauled by a bear or a tiger?" type question ngl man.
Chainsaw Man's worst is incomprehensible garbage that pretends it's deep while the next second will do some of the stupidest horny crap you've seen. Meanwhile Stella is so bad as a character that you can convince someone a sexist white dude wrote her after he got a divorce where he lost the children.
No idea who's worse, so flip a coin and decide yourself.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Not really. We know they have magic, this is just a matter of its manifestation. Them being collectively enough to stop is not really Deus Ex Machina unlike singin power.

Nifty has never shown any use of magic, and neither have Valentino or Carmilla. The only Overlords we’ve actually seen use magic beforehand were Husk and Velvette, and Velvette is a witch, so it could've easily been written off as her specific gimmick.
And like you expect me to believe Nifty and Val had magic all this time and never used it? Clearly they just don't have magic.
(I'm making fun of the "why don't they just sing" to beat people up thing)

And like, it kinda is a Deus Ex Machina? There's virtually no difference between this and the "Don't Give Up" sequence in UT, expect here it's played straight.

Because war will still kill lots of Winners?

How would the Sinners even get up there? And like, Exorcists are again straight-up invincible to all Sinners and these are just the foot soldiers, they were in no danger.

So they are literally warping everything now? Noted. Give Husk about a couple dozen abilities and hax.

"They're ******* singing?!"

The visuals are clearly not diegetic, but the songs are.

This... is about influencing. Not a magical 10^23x amp. Music attracts people.

That's where Lilith "empowering Sinners with her songs" comes in.

So it's not even singing power as you proposed? It's just... out of nowhere? Didn't your own article say it's about singing though?

“Hear My Hope” is the first song in the show that really explicitly taps into something that's alluded to throughout [the show], about music and power.

“Hear My Hope” is the first example we've seen explicitly of these people's power being manifested through song to achieve an end.

It's singing, but there's clearly more going on. That doesn't mean they're not amped. They are. We just don't 100% know the mechanics.

Bad analogy, it depends on the will of the characters.

Well why didn't Frisk just will themself to be stronger than Flowey? Are they stupid?
This is why Toby can't write for shit.

But they knew that it will explode and obliterate half of Pentagram. Not really something a dozen of 9-A bums can handle.

You're literally arguing that these guys are 5-B, why didn't they hear what Carmilla said and go "Oh that's it? This is going to be a cakewalk."
Legit at least when they're 9-A, it makes sense why they'd be ******** their pants from something that is OBJECTIVELY not 5-B.

Also, Vaggie knew too.

And did she tell anyone? Nope

Not really. Find some bums, force/convince him into a deal. Heck, why can't these bums be certain Cannibals themselves?

Again, this would take more time then just going to the Overlord in front of you and telling him to help.
And she's trying to keep a low-profile for reasons we still don't know, speculating on why she did that and why she did this isn't going to get us anywhere.

Rewarding someone who clearly defied her, while being openly mad about it, is stupid.

She was very mad when he proposed for her to fix his cane.

In my mind, she scaled above General of Exorcists.

Fair point, and it's possible that she is a weaker Seraphim because she is younger. Still, should not be 10^23 times less powerful LOL.

She's an Unknown. We literally know nothing about her.
Plus, ain't you the guy who's arguing that Adam taking a mean punch to the face dropped his ass down to not even 100% Vox, she lost her whole wing lol

The Power of Song amp can also be additive rather than multiplicative.

He gets stronger with popularity, which naturally rises every second. We even see that his graph linearly grew throughout the entire day after he "beat" Alastor.
Popularity does not really come with snap of fingers. That's how social media and TV works.

This was before he even blew a hole in heaven, like you're really saying they'd just skip the massive jump that is ANGEL level Vox and make it an off-screen thing?
Like please explain to me how this is any better than the song amp lol

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Well why didn't Frisk just will themself to be stronger than Flowey? Are they stupid?
This is why Toby can't write for shit.

Was gonna stay out of this until this shit, thats not how will power works, I'd make a joke about anime scream to charge attack, but I'm a massive anime dude, and even I know that will takes MUCH more than just "I'm gonna just be stronker".

Will is something that you can't just force, will is a drive, some drives are stronger and make strong people, Lo and behold, Frisk only really gets that full amp as they get closer to/gain the ultimate will to defy a god and SAVE everyone, including Asriel himself. It's not a new thing, but it's still sweet anyway that Frisk is really only at their strongest when they have everything to lose. Meanwhile the genocide Frisk just feeds an unstoppable beast that had a will for ultimate destruction.

Not only was orange right that it's a bad example, but you seriously have a screw loose about Toby writing and understanding of how will works

More specifically, think rage power, eventually it plateaus until another bigger push comes along, which is something you clearly either missed, or also don't understand

 

[SlendVeny]

This is some "Would you rather be mauled by a bear or a tiger?" type question ngl man.
Chainsaw Man's worst is incomprehensible garbage that pretends it's deep while the next second will do some of the stupidest horny crap you've seen.

Bro is NOT cooking

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Bro is NOT cooking

When did Chainsaw Man get any writting hate? I never hear anything bad about it

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Well why didn't Frisk just will themself to be stronger than Flowey? Are they stupid?
This is why Toby can't write for shit.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Was gonna stay out of this until this shit, thats not how will power works, I'd make a joke about anime scream to charge attack, but I'm a massive anime dude, and even I know that will takes MUCH more than just "I'm gonna just be stronker".

Will is something that you can't just force, will is a drive, some drives are stronger and make strong people, Lo and behold, Frisk only really gets that full amp as they get closer to/gain the ultimate will to defy a god and SAVE everyone, including Asriel himself. It's not a new thing, but it's still sweet anyway that Frisk is really only at their strongest when they have everything to lose. Meanwhile the genocide Frisk just feeds an unstoppable beast that had a will for ultimate destruction.

Not only was orange right that it's a bad example, but you seriously have a screw loose about Toby writing and understanding of how will works

More specifically, think rage power, eventually it plateaus until another bigger push comes along, which is something you clearly either missed, or also don't understand

I don’t actually believe the toby thing or that Frisk could’ve just "tried harder" against Flowey and won, I was just making a comparison, cause clearly this Power of Song thing also isn't a simple On-and-Off switch. Like again, the WoG explicitly says this is the ONLY time they could tap into it.

The exact mechanics don’t really matter. Whether it’s as simple as singing about unity or something else entirely, the bottom line is that they were still amped by it.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

But you can me! (lesser nowadays so I'm happy about little steps)

 

[SlendVeny]

When did Chainsaw Man get any writting hate? I never hear anything bad about it

It's always "errrm, MC is too dumb and/or horny" "people do bad things" or "sometimes shit just like, HAPPENS", the 3rd of which is actually kinda valid lol

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I don’t actually believe the toby thing or that Frisk could’ve just "tried harder" against Flowey and won, I was just making a comparison, cause clearly this Power of Song thing also isn't a simple On-and-Off switch. Like again, the WoG explicitly says this is the ONLY time they could tap into it.

The exact mechanics don’t really matter. Whether it’s as simple as singing about unity or something else entirely, the bottom line is that they were still amped by it.

Oh...
Yea probably, it would better explain how a bunch of maybe town-city level people could do a planetary, though, if Charlie can't get Lucifers inability to be killed by standard AWs on her profile for just being his daughter, then she can't have her mothers song empowerment either, she just has charisma enough (somehow) to get people to follow her at plot convenient times

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

It's always "errrm, MC is too dumb and/or horny" "people do bad things" or "sometimes shit just like, HAPPENS", the 3rd of which is actually kinda valid lol

Isn't his struggle with hypersexuallity literally a core problem that he's trying to do something about? I thought it was kind of relatable to an extent, wouldn't fall for that cold hearted literal she-devil but to each his own IG

btw, how long before these talks get considered thread derailment you think?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ok bur are we fr gonna keep ignoring blatant proof that Overlords scale to 5-B Lucifraud?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Oh...
Yea probably, it would better explain how a bunch of maybe town-city level people could do a planetary, though, if Charlie can't get Lucifers inability to be killed by standard AWs on her profile for just being his daughter, then she can't have her mothers song empowerment either, she just has charisma enough (somehow) to get people to follow her at plot convenient times

I mean, her magic is straight-up just musical notes

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I mean, her magic is straight-up just musical notes

By my standards that would be good enough. Now give me the money to buy the site and I'll change that rule, otherwise, site standard and common opinion don't seem to agree to story being able to verify scaling (mostly joking)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I mean, her magic is straight-up just musical notes

Tbh it makes sense for Charlie to have some musical powers like her mother. This solves some issues, but not all.
Also if we assume that her powers also empower others just like Lilith, it gives rise to a new UNSOLVABLE issue: if she empowered others, does this mean she is not a useless bum and actually the goat who carried everyone? Hell nah! If you smh believe this ya better be isolated from society.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Tbh it makes sense for Charlie to have some musical powers like her mother. This solves some issues, but not all.
It also gives rise to a new issue: if she empowered others, does this mean she is not a useless bum and actually the goat who carried everyone? Hell nah! If you smh believe this ya better be isolated from society.

She only ever did it twice, and only once was in a do or die scenario, being the MoL, so really, she still can be a bum

 

[SlendVeny]

Isn't his struggle with hypersexuallity literally a core problem that he's trying to do something about?

The thing is he's not even that bad, the guy was raised in shit, never went to school, and still learned to unironically be like 10 times more respectful about it than like at least a dozen dudes I've met but that isn't saying much.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

The thing is he's not even that bad, the guy was raised in shit, never went to school, and still learned to unironically be like 10 times more respectful about it than like at least a dozen dudes I've met but that isn't saying much.

and thats one of many reasons I like the guy, he doesn't want that much, he just wants to be content with life, and that is so based and relatable

 

[SlendVeny]

and thats one of many reasons I like the guy, he doesn't want that much, he just wants to be content with life, and that is so based and relatable

The dude legitimately just wants to eat bread, be loved, and get an education.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

The dude legitimately just wants to eat bread, be loved, and get an education.

The job applications fear this man

 

[Reiner04]

Low 5-B, likely/possibly 5-B (917.52 Exatons, likely/possibly121.42 Zettatons)

This works for me.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Is that two staff agreements under a Hazbin freaking Hotel CRT I’m seeing?

 

[ShionAH]

Me omw to Adam’s profile

 

[Electronic74947]

When did Chainsaw Man get any writting hate? I never hear anything bad about it

part 2 is getting hated rn, i personally think it's overblown but yeah

 

[Mythic381]

Dude, I only left for like a day and you're already at page 13?????

 

[Mythic381]

Hazbin isn't even one of those verses that's written by multiple writers and is obviously going to be inconsistent as a result, it's one person.

It has/had an overall number of 16 writers.

 

[Mythic381]

Succubuses are just entirely incomprehensible purpose wise if Hell is not actually at war with Heaven until recently, heck Moxie talks in season 1 about development in gun technology in wars Hell had. Against who?????

Against themselves? You didn't expect that there's an even 1% chance they fought war against themselves? Or maybe the other realms that were mentioned by Sera and D.H.O.R.K.S?

The Goetia and Sins just doing nothing while Vox's thing goes on is just completely absurd, with there never being as much a mention of why they're nowhere (Lucifer got gifts from the Sins asking him to come back, so clearly they are aware of things in the Pride ring, so what gives?)

In general we never see Goetia and Sins interact with Sinner-related politics at all, so I don't think it's much of a reach for them to literally just not care, as they are pardoned from exterminations, they genuinely have no reason to give a **** about Heaven.

The Goetias being superior/relative in power makes no sense with how the Ice Twink was dealing with I.M.P, Vox would have those guys molched in five seconds if we go by portrayal.

Ice Twink wasn't even losing, he was just having a hard time catching them, yet he was about to win anyways if Via didn't intervene, but he genuinely showcased him being easily superior power-wise during the whole fight.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Ice Twink wasn't even losing, he was just having a hard time catching them, yet he was about to win anyways if Via didn't intervene, but he genuinely showcased him being easily superior power-wise during the whole fight.

He was being a massive fraud, what are you on?

 

[ShionAH]

There is no way a Hellhound who’s the WEAKEST of Hell can tear through a Goetia like that, neither does it make sense Imps who are only the second weakest pushed a high tier Goetia to actually try lol and put in that much effort.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This works for me.

Any thoughts on this?

But what really seals the deal (And actually saves the Tier 5 feat of being an outlier) is that they were very explicitly amped during it.

Underberg: But the point of the singing [in “Hear My Hope”] is that their singing serves a plot point, regardless of what words they're singing. I think it has those sections where the song functions more like other songs, in which there’s maybe an argument, kind of an internal dialogue. But the choral main sections in “Hear My Hope,” their voices are actually serving a purpose, a dramatic physical purpose.
Haft: Yeah, exactly. A physical and a mechanical purpose. “Hear My Hope” is the first song in the show that really explicitly taps into something that's alluded to throughout [the show], about music and power. This is something I could nerd about at length — a commonality between the Hellaverse and Lord of the Rings is that in the lore of Lord of the Rings, the world-building is built around this idea that reality was sung into existence. There are implications in [this song] that these characters' voices and these characters' music give them power. “Hear My Hope” is the first example we've seen explicitly of these people's power being manifested through song to achieve an end.

"The idea of music having power in Lord of the Rings… This is such a creator-driven show, and that's not something that's on their radar so much as that's something I privately nerd out about, because I'm one of those weird people who likes Lord of the Rings that much. But that was something I clocked in season 1, when there was that imagery of Lilith empowering Sinners — you see these musical notes streaming from her over the rest of Hell."

"The idea that music has power is very straightforward on an emotional level, and it's very fun to have a property that treats it not just as emotionally powerful, but as something that will affect the physical world."

 

[Mythic381]

There is no way a Hellhound who’s the WEAKEST of Hell can tear through a Goetia like that, neither does it make sense Imps who are only the second weakest pushed a high tier Goetia to actually try lol and put in that much effort.

It does if they're specifically stronger via powers and not just physical strength. And no, Andrealphus wasn't putting effort, you can see many times does he literally keep taunting them and say "do you imps expect to beat a Goetia like me?" like even he recognizes there's a clear ass power difference and doesn't go all out.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He's also straight-up immortal. They couldn't actually do anything to him.

 

[ShionAH]

So we should apply this right? We got 2 votes

 

[DaReaperMan]

I will be applying it once the 48 hour grace is done.

 

[ShionAH]

I will be applying it once the 48 hour grace is done.

CRT Grace actually starts at the creation of the thread. At least know the rules before talkin'.

 

[DaReaperMan]

CRT Grace actually starts at the creation of the thread. At least know the rules before talkin'.

I've been told to wait until 48 hours since last vote before.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I've been told to wait until 48 hours since last vote before.

They lied to you then.

 

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