Upgrading the Great Sage Mitsuki and Yogiri to 1-A.

[Azertyhuuh]

Man, did you read the scan? It literally says, word for word, that he only had a single power at the beginning, his charm. Whatever he gained after it was related to the goddesses.

What??? Literally, all of what you said is wrong. Mitsuki did not derive his power from the High Gods at all; he was born with this power due to his beauty and became the Great Sage through it. Some transcendent beings granted him immortality to preserve his beauty, not the power that made him the Great Sage. Don’t you understand, or are you pretending not to? Can you please refocus for a moment!

 

[SweetDao]

Mitsuki did not derive his power from the High Gods at all;

It's literally the case man.

At first he was just a normal guy in a japan-like world with his sister, then suddenly three goddesses appeared to him and tried to make him their own (there was battles, changes in continents and such due to the conflicts between them) and at one point they started giving him power.

The novel literally states the only "unique" power he has is his charm. The narrator literally says he couldn't do anything before he got their powers.

 

[Hecky2222]

Alright, first of all, trying to ignore everything the Great Sage said: everything is just a dream, fiction, and a game. Even if you destroyed the entire world, you wouldn’t reach its core. It’s impossible for you, a mere character in his dream, to destroy the dream itself, isn’t that right? → This is exactly what the Great Sage said. He achieves R > F, and his core exists outside of everything. It can never be reached from the world, no matter what happens—even if everything is destroyed, it’s impossible to reach his core.

No character in his dream can destroy the dream itself. This proves that the Great Sage achieves R > F, because he exists in a higher reality. He cannot be reached under any circumstances, and he didn’t transform—he exists in a higher world. He even mentioned that even if the entire world is destroyed, you cannot reach his core. He exists at a level of higher reality, and that is clear. So please, do not try to twist or distort this fact.

The problem with your argument is you think "turning into fiction = reality > fiction transcendence." This is subjective reality, mister. We have exact same things(Read Subjective Reality in Abilities) that look like r > f but it is just subjective reality

 

[korea1234]

What??? Literally, all of what you said is wrong. Mitsuki did not derive his power from the High Gods at all; he was born with this power due to his beauty and became the Great Sage through it. Some transcendent beings granted him immortality to preserve his beauty, not the power that made him the Great Sage. Don’t you understand, or are you pretending not to? Can you please refocus for a moment!

At first, it seemed she had lost. But at that point, the other goddesses had
been giving Mitsuki more of their power. Say, for example, that each goddess
had one hundred points of power. In their contest for Mitsuki’s affection, they
had each given Mitsuki ten. While they wanted to grant him power to earn his
favor, giving him too much would be ceding their ability to contest the other
goddesses. So they had slowly and gradually given power to him...until one day
Alexia suddenly gave up eighty points of her power to him.

- instant death volume 14 chapter 9

 

[ThyNotAskQuestions]

Dang. This thread is only an hour in, and we're already at page 2 lmao.

Anyway, I'll have to disagree FRA.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Dang. This thread is only an hour in, and we're already at page 2 lmao.

Anyway, I'll have to disagree FRA.

Give it another and thread might be closed

 

[ThyNotAskQuestions]

Give it another and the thread might be closed

God, I wish I were a mod, but I'll be the most ass of all time.

What the OP shown is subjective reality. Turning your world into fiction is different from seeing your world as fiction. One is a hax and the other describes your state of existence.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

God, I wish I were a mod, but I'll be the most ass of all time.

Lol

What the OP shown is subjective reality. Turning your world into fiction is different from seeing your world as fiction. One is a hax and the other describes your state of existence.

Fr and exactly

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It's literally the case man.

At first he was just a normal guy in a japan-like world with his sister, then suddenly three goddesses appeared to him and tried to make him their own (there was battles, changes in continents and such due to the conflicts between them) and at one point they started giving him power.

The novel literally states the only "unique" power he has is his charm. The narrator literally says he couldn't do anything before he got their powers.

Listen carefully, Sweet Dao, it seems you haven’t fully understood what’s happening in the story, so please try to grasp the situation first.

First, it is stated that Mitsuki was born with his power and beauty, and thanks to these traits, he became the Great Sage. Up to this point, the power Mitsuki possesses is entirely his own, and the three gods had nothing to do with him becoming the Great Sage.

Later, these gods gradually gave some of their power to the Great Sage, but this did not change the fact that he became the Great Sage because of his own power and beauty from the beginning, not because of the gods’ power. Then Alexia came and gave Mitsuki all of her power (80 points), which made her extremely weak compared to the other gods.

Eventually, Mitsuki had all the power the goddesses had given him, but he returned all of it to Alexia, because he felt sympathy for her after she lost her power. This made Alexia extremely strong, allowing her to defeat the other two goddesses one by one.

This proves that the Great Sage did not derive his power from these gods at all, since he returned everything they gave him. His true power is the one he was born with, and it is this power that made him the Great Sage from the very beginning, not any external power.

 

[SweetDao]

First, it is stated that Mitsuki was born with his power and beauty, and thanks to these traits, he became the Great Sage

He was born with ONLY his charm. This is stated not once but twice, come on.

Literally he had NO power at all when the goddesses came. If you actually read his backstory/interlude, you wouldn't even argue that.

since he returned everything they gave him

He took it back literally after. It says "lent", lending something is giving something to someone only to get it back later. It's later shown that Alexa is still weak and doesn't have her powers in the main story anyway.

 

[SweetDao]

Anyway, I've said my piece, I'll go to sleep since I know it will just end up as back and forth.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Anyway, I've said my piece, I'll go to sleep since I know it will just end up as back and forth.

Sleep well check discord whenever you wake up

 

[Arkenis]

Can someone get a mod to close this?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Can someone get a mod to close this?

Posted ts in all purpose thread,
We js gotta wait.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

God, I wish I were a mod, but I'll be the most ass of all time.

What the OP shown is subjective reality. Turning your world into fiction is different from seeing your world as fiction. One is a hax and the other describes your state of existence.

The problem with your argument is you think "turning into fiction = reality > fiction transcendence." This is subjective reality, mister. We have exact same things(Read Subjective Reality in Abilities) that look like r > f but it is just subjective reality

Brother, he did not turn the world into fiction, so don’t spread that nonsense. You need proof from the story itself.

The world is simply a dream that he perceives, and everything in it is imaginary. Its existence is qualitatively inferior to his own. He has clarified this in multiple contexts: he said that even if the entire world were destroyed, it would not reach his essence. It is impossible for a character from his dream to destroy the dream itself. That is exactly what he said.

His existence transcends the world qualitatively. He is dreaming the entire world, and it is impossible to reach him, no matter what happens. Later, he explicitly said it is impossible for characters within his dream to defeat him. Kuroyo asked: “Do you think mere characters from my dream can defeat or kill me?” And he answered that they are just imaginary characters, like toys, asking rhetorically if a character inside a game can escape into reality. And yet, you still doubt this?

Also, his self-existent reality is irrelevant here, because Mitsuki’s very being qualitatively surpasses the world. Even if the entire world were destroyed, it could never affect his essence. Mitsuki’s existence is external to all of this, so please stop trying to twist it.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Anyway, I've said my piece, I'll go to sleep since I know it will just end up as back and forth.

Good attempt, but the work clearly states that Mitsuki gained his power and became the Great Sage because of his beauty, and this was due to the combination of his beauty and his innate extraordinary powers from the very beginning—something you cannot deny.

The three goddesses only granted him immortality to preserve his beauty, not to make him the Great Sage. Their goal was solely to maintain his beauty by giving him immortality and not to give him the power that made him the Great Sage. He became the Great Sage through his own power and beauty from the start, and the goddesses had no part in his actual strength.

It is also stated that the Great Sage is an exception—a unique case in the universal world—which is why he possesses this power.


In any case, I will wait for the moderators’ decision and also go to sleep. I have evidence showing that he became the Great Sage because of his power and beauty, not because of the goddesses’ power; they only granted him immortality to preserve his beauty, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

GOAT, they will come tmr probably, u can go to sleep

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

That topic has now been closed. Never mind, it’s very simple. What matters is that I ask you to be respectful and not go off topic.

First, Kyuuzaburou is an exception and does not belong to any world within the Absolute Set, and he is capable of destroying the entire Final Set, and even the higher gods can be destroyed by him, and in the end this sword itself is nothing more than a part of the Great Sage’s imagination, meaning it is an exceptional sword that does not belong to anyone, and ultimately it is also part of the Great Sage’s imagination, and this proves that everything, and the entire Final Set, is nothing but fiction from the Great Sage’s perspective, and also according to the rules—yes, yes, I remember when I brought the author’s answer and you said “the rules,” hmm—well, I will remind you of the rules now, which state that author answers are rejected, including his answer about the Great Sage, otherwise perhaps you would be ready to accept the explicit answer that was denied, which is that Yogiri’s true form transcends the concept of dimensions, even though it was a long answer with a precise explanation that helps in understanding the nature of his true form, but it was unfortunately rejected, despite the fact that it was not a short or emotional response from the author, but a three-line answer with an additional detailed explanation that clarifies his true form.

What does it say on the page about fiction and reality? It says that if a character regards a world or spacetime as fiction, that qualifies them for 1-A. Meanwhile, the Great Sage views the sword—which is an exception within the Final Ensemble and is capable of destroying all worlds, including the higher gods—as nothing more than a part of his own imagination. Yet despite this, the sword is currently rated at 2-B and will become 2-A, and all of this has been denied. This actually exceeds the required criteria. The requirement is at least one world or one spacetime, while the Great Sage perceives entire timelines, and the sword—rated 2-B and being an exception—already surpasses what is needed for the 1-A tier. Moreover, it is illogical to say that a character who sees everything as a dream, fiction, or a game, and who is completely external, would not qualify—especially when he explicitly states that even if this world were destroyed, it would not reach his essence, because he is external. Just as he said, characters inside his dream cannot reach him. Yes, that is perfectly natural, because we are talking about a character of 1-A level that has been denied.

There is no connection at all between the merging of powers and his reaching or acquiring this power; this was something exclusive to the Great Sage alone, and power fusion has nothing to do with it and does not negate anything. If it were merely a matter of adding 10, 10, and 90 to reach 110, then this sword would be able to cut down all the higher gods and all the worlds in the Final Set, and its power would vastly surpass all of those gods. That would logically mean that this sword is far stronger than the Great Sage by many, many levels, since it can cut all the higher gods. When someone speaks, they should speak with logic. The Great Sage did not reach what he reached through the power of the higher gods; rather, this was a trait unique to the Great Sage alone: the fact that the entire world is merely a part of his imagination.

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I think you're misunderstanding something about "Exceptions."
You said that it's just an ordinary name, nothing special, and explained further that some things in this world might be special, and in other worlds there might be countless such things. But the things that are exceptional in every world are called "exceptions." It's a term that expands the range of a character.

In short , What counted as rare and exceptional in one world was perfectly natural in another, but there were still things that counted as exceptional in all worlds. These were referred to as “exceptions.” The name was nothing special, only enough to evoke the intended meaning within the proper context. There were few enough such phenomena that they needed no special name. None were particularly impressive on their own, notable only for having a characteristic that was applicable across all worlds.

Mitsuki is just an ordinary Japanese guy, but he was born with the power of love he ability to be surrounded by women. That's his innate, original ability. He's just a normal good-looking guy.

It's similar to God's Omnipotence in the story, which usually has limits to its own world/domain. Malnalinna initially couldn't use Omnipotence in the world where Yogi was summoned because Kuryu was the controller of that world until she seized it.

The Great Sage Mitsuki was one such “exception.”
His unique trait was to be loved by everyone and everything. The effect varied depending on who it was applied to. On men, it often didn’t manifest as much of anything, but it was particularly pronounced on goddesses.
Until the three goddesses met them the three of them tried to win his favor, tried to be number one by bestowing power upon him.
That left her at ten points, the UEG and Luu at ninety, and Mitsuki himself at one hundred and ten. Alexia had greatly weakened herself, and it looked like she had no chance in the conflict any longer. However, it also resulted in Mitsuki having more power than the goddesses.

Until he became stronger than all three of them and received Night Omnipotent from their power.
I think Mitsuki would be really sad if people misunderstood him.
He's just a normal good-looking guy who was about to go study like any ordinary person, but suddenly goddesses fell right in front of him. Is this good luck or bad luck, really?

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Another Thing,Your attempt to explain the Ensemble World according to Ultima's Q&A makes more sense.

Q: What tier is being the source of dimensions?:
A: Depends. This sort of feat can easily be treated the same way as creation and stabilization feats, if it meets the standards for them. It can potentially serve as supporting evidence for 1-A, but since it ultimately boils down to causal power, and doesn't say anything about the nature of a character's existence, it ultimately defaults to scaling to however many dimensions there are in the verse.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Wow indeed, I expected nothing less from the very archetype of goathood itself. A defending argument such as a non-1A becoming 1A by itself through its own power, and yes, I agree with the CRT.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I think you're misunderstanding something about "Exceptions."
You said that it's just an ordinary name, nothing special, and explained further that some things in this world might be special, and in other worlds there might be countless such things. But the things that are exceptional in every world are called "exceptions." It's a term that expands the range of a character.



Mitsuki is just an ordinary Japanese guy, but he was born with the power of love he ability to be surrounded by women. That's his innate, original ability. He's just a normal good-looking guy.

It's similar to God's Omnipotence in the story, which usually has limits to its own world/domain. Malnalinna initially couldn't use Omnipotence in the world where Yogi was summoned because Kuryu was the controller of that world until she seized it.



Until he became stronger than all three of them and received Night Omnipotent from their power.
I think Mitsuki would be really sad if people misunderstood him.
He's just a normal good-looking guy who was about to go study like any ordinary person, but suddenly goddesses fell right in front of him. Is this good luck or bad luck, really?

Another Thing,Your attempt to explain the Ensemble World according to Ultima's Q&A makes more sense.

The Great Sage acquired his power by himself from the very beginning because of his beauty, and the goddesses had no role at all in him reaching this level of power. The reason the Great Sage is this powerful is because he is an exception within the composite/universal world. He is fundamentally different from the other gods. Even after temporarily obtaining the power of the three goddesses—and not even all of their power—he still did not immediately become what he is now. Why? Because he himself stated that he would train, draw out his abilities, and learn how to use his power, not that he became this powerful due to 10 + 10 + 80 points of power from the three goddesses. After gaining that power, he did not suddenly become overwhelmingly strong; he only reached his current state after training, understanding his abilities, and realizing his true nature

We must not forget that he is an exception, and that is why he became what he is now, ascended, and came to dream the entire world. The proof of this is the sword that can cut all higher gods and all worlds in the Final Ensemble. The power of this sword would exceed—by billions of times—the amount of power he temporarily received from the three goddesses. Moreover, the initial 10 and 10 points mean that the first two goddesses gave him only about 5% of their power, while the third gave 90%, meaning it was still not even a complete transfer. He did not become what he is because of this power, but because of his own ability, training, and realization of his true nature.

As I said, he is an exception, because the sword capable of cutting the higher gods is itself nothing more than a part of the Great Sage’s imagination, which further proves that the power he temporarily received has nothing to do with what he ultimately became. You cannot deny this. You cannot gain 110 and suddenly be capable of 1,000,000.

Additionally, as mentioned before, this power has nothing to do with him dreaming the entire world. At the time he gained that power, he was not dreaming the whole world. Only after training and realizing his true nature did he ascend to a higher reality and begin dreaming the entire world. This is further supported by Kyuuzaburou’s sword.

And finally, I will not reply again if you continue repeating the same trivial argument about the goddesses’ power, because I have already refuted it and provided evidence for that.



← Setting all of that aside, why don’t you understand that everything mentioned above matters far less than understanding what he actually is? The Great Sage is dreaming the entire world, and if he were to die, the entire world would collapse, because he is the one dreaming it. Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, and now do you know where the dreamer is? Of course, he exists on a completely external level, in an entirely higher reality, and he stated this himself ↓

[“This world is a dream that I’m seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you’re destroying the world on the surface, you can’t actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?”]

This is exactly what Mitsuki said: even if you destroy the world superficially, you will never reach its core. It makes no sense that a character inside my dream could destroy the dream itself, right? This supports the fact that Mitsuki’s very state of existence is what matters here—not causality or that kind of nonsense. We are talking about a dream and a dreamer. The dreamer is always on a higher level of reality, as you know, and it is impossible to reach his core. He cannot be reached at all. Moreover, destroying the dreamer means the end of the dream, and all of this is clear evidence.

And in his conversation with Kuroyu, when Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, didn’t Mitsuki explicitly say that everything is just a game, just a dream, and that mere fictional characters cannot kill him? Is it logical that a character inside a video game or a dream could kill you???

All of this supports the conclusion that Mitsuki’s existence was on a higher level of reality, and that he was dreaming the entire world.

 

[BoastJr]

I Shall Never Doubt the Goat that is Azertyhuuh

I will FRA this thread just for you BBG

 

[Robo432343]

I Shall Never Doubt the Goat that is Azertyhuuh

I will FRA this thread just for you BBG

but dante sama…

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

The Great Sage acquired his power by himself from the very beginning because of his beauty, and the goddesses had no role at all in him reaching this level of power. The reason the Great Sage is this powerful is because he is an exception within the composite/universal world. He is fundamentally different from the other gods. Even after temporarily obtaining the power of the three goddesses—and not even all of their power—he still did not immediately become what he is now. Why? Because he himself stated that he would train, draw out his abilities, and learn how to use his power, not that he became this powerful due to 10 + 10 + 80 points of power from the three goddesses. After gaining that power, he did not suddenly become overwhelmingly strong; he only reached his current state after training, understanding his abilities, and realizing his true nature

This is a story from another world. In concrete terms, it was a world very similar to modern-day Japan, though it had no connection to the world Yogiri and Tomochika came from. Either it was a parallel world, or perhaps at some point in the past it had branched off from the same world and become slightly different. Perhaps it arrived at a similar place entirely by coincidence, life and culture evolving in the same way entirely by chance.

In any case, it was the world where the one who would one day become the Great Sage Mitsuki was born.

Mitsuki opened his eyes to see the face of a young girl directly above him.

"Uhh...good morning?" Still half asleep, it took him a moment to realize what was happening, but it seemed for some reason Yumeno was sitting on top of him while he slept. She was staring at his face from uncomfortably close, but when he started staring back, she hurriedly sat back up.

"G-G-Good morning! Get up, Mitsuki! You're going to be late for school!"

"Hm? Oh. Thanks."

Looking at the clock on the wall, he saw it wasn't quite time to get up yet. In only a few minutes his alarm clock would wake him, so he would have been fine without her help, but he felt he should thank her for coming to wake him up anyway.

"Hey! What are you two doing?!" Still in a sleepy haze, Mitsuki heard his window open as his neighbor Rio stormed into the room. The balcony outside his window connected with the neighbors', so they could easily come and go between them. "Morning. She was just here to wake me up."

"That's right! I was just waking him up!" Yumeno echoed.

"If you were just waking him up, why are you on top of him?!" Rio demanded.

"Actually, that's a good question." Gently pushing Yumeno off of him, Mitsuki finally sat up.

"Jeez! I can't take my eyes off you for a second!"

"By the way, why are you here, Rio?" Mitsuki asked.

"I-I just came to wake you up! If I leave you be, you'll sleep all day!"

"I mean, I have an alarm clock..." However, he didn't think of these two

as a bother. He was thankful they were trying to help. "I'm going to get changed; can you two step out for a minute?"

"Ah, sorry!"

The pair stepped out of his room, though he didn't know why Rio went downstairs when she had come in through the window. After changing into his school uniform, he headed downstairs where his maid, Akane, was waiting.

"Good morning. Your breakfast is ready."

"Okay, thanks."

"I could have made breakfast for him. Why do you need her?" Yumeno mumbled, though considering her culinary "skills," he was quite glad to have Akane make breakfast instead.

Mitsuki's parents had gone abroad for work and wouldn't be back for some time. In their absence, they had hired Akane to take care of him. Normally one would think of a hired housekeeper as a middle-aged woman of some sort, but for some reason, the maid they had hired was close to Mitsuki's age and had decided to live in the house alongside him, taking care of all the housework herself.

"Wait, why is Rio eating breakfast with us?!" Yumeno protested.

"It's fine; she's here anyway," Mitsuki said.

Finishing breakfast, Mitsuki headed to the front door and left for school. His stepsister Yumeno, childhood friend Rio, and live-in maid Akane, now also wearing school uniforms, were in tow. All of them attended the same school. The moment they made it outside, they were greeted by a sleek black luxury car waiting for them.

"Mitsuki, sir! Salutations on this fine morning!" Standing beside the car was his classmate, Reika. Saying she was just like she looked may have come across as a bit mean-spirited, but she was indeed a rich young heiress.

"Reika, I don't mind if you want to walk to school with us, but bringing a car isn't a great idea."

"He's right!" Yumeno declared. "The roads are cramped enough as it is! You should have thought this through!"

"It is no matter! I have already acquired assent from the people of this neighborhood."

"Except I live in this neighborhood, and you didn't talk to me at all!" Rio snapped back.

"My, how rude of me!" Reika replied. "I thought it would be sufficient to speak only with the owners of the houses, but I suppose I will need to be more thorough in the future."

"What's that for?" Mitsuki asked as Reika pulled out a stack of bills.

"I need to acquire Miss Rio's approval, do I not?" she said boldly.

"I don't need money from you! Let's go!" Rio said, storming off.

Mitsuki followed close behind as other girls from the neighborhood joined the entourage one by one. It was kind of a strange sight, but it was an everyday thing for Mitsuki. That everyday occurrence was about to be interrupted, though.

A bolt of lightning from the blue, despite there being not a cloud in the sky, struck the ground a few steps ahead of him. If he had stepped a little farther forward, he would have died. The asphalt shattered, cracks running out in every direction. A young girl wearing a white robe now stood where the lightning had struck.

"Ah! Of course he looks even better from up close, but this aroma too! I can't get enough!"

The girls around Mitsuki froze. Lightning had struck right in front of them. The shock of that would leave them confused regardless, but the fact that a girl had emerged from the strike had them even more bewildered.

"Now, I suppose I cannot afford to waste much time. I am sure others will have noticed your awakening by now. I will need to take you away before anyone else comes to interfere."

The beautiful young girl approached. Mitsuki was powerless to do anything but watch as she stepped closer. Before she made it to him, the chaos continued with another explosion and cloud of dust. Judging by the
aftermath, it seemed like something had struck the first girl and sent her flying to the side. She had been sent through walls and houses, leaving a trail of destruction in her wake. It felt like a miracle that Mitsuki and the girls around him hadn't been injured, as close as she had been to them when she was struck. It looked like rubble from the blast was going to hit them, but it dodged around them instead.

"What is going on?" Rio muttered.

"I have no idea." Mitsuki echoed her thoughts.

"I do not know who you are, but I have to praise your nerve if you are

willing to get in my way!"

"I was hoping that would have been enough to put you down for good. I really wanted that to settle things."

The girl in white seemed impressed by the woman in red who emerged after, wearing a strained smile.

"Fear not. Now that you have brought this fight, I will take it quite seriously. This won't end until you accept total defeat!"

"I wanted to finish this quickly so I could leave right away...but it looks like it's not just the two of us anymore," the woman in red said, looking behind the girl in white. Mitsuki turned to follow her gaze, finding a woman in blue descending from the sky in a pillar of blinding light.

"What a pain..." the girl in white said, clicking her tongue.

Mitsuki couldn't help but agree.

:As you may know, Mitsuki is just a boy from a country similar to Japan. He's just an ordinary boy with the power of love.
:While he was walking to school, he encountered the three goddesses.

We must not forget that he is an exception, and that is why he became what he is now, ascended, and came to dream the entire world. The proof of this is the sword that can cut all higher gods and all worlds in the Final Ensemble. The power of this sword would exceed—by billions of times—the amount of power he temporarily received from the three goddesses. Moreover, the initial 10 and 10 points mean that the first two goddesses gave him only about 5% of their power, while the third gave 90%, meaning it was still not even a complete transfer. He did not become what he is because of this power, but because of his own ability, training, and realization of his true nature.

As I said, he is an exception, because the sword capable of cutting the higher gods is itself nothing more than a part of the Great Sage’s imagination, which further proves that the power he temporarily received has nothing to do with what he ultimately became. You cannot deny this. You cannot gain 110 and suddenly be capable of 1,000,000.

Additionally, as mentioned before, this power has nothing to do with him dreaming the entire world. At the time he gained that power, he was not dreaming the whole world. Only after training and realizing his true nature did he ascend to a higher reality and begin dreaming the entire world. This is further supported by Kyuuzaburou’s sword.

And finally, I will not reply again if you continue repeating the same trivial argument about the goddesses’ power, because I have already refuted it and provided evidence for that.



← Setting all of that aside, why don’t you understand that everything mentioned above matters far less than understanding what he actually is? The Great Sage is dreaming the entire world, and if he were to die, the entire world would collapse, because he is the one dreaming it. Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, and now do you know where the dreamer is? Of course, he exists on a completely external level, in an entirely higher reality, and he stated this himself ↓

[“This world is a dream that I’m seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you’re destroying the world on the surface, you can’t actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?”]

This is exactly what Mitsuki said: even if you destroy the world superficially, you will never reach its core. It makes no sense that a character inside my dream could destroy the dream itself, right? This supports the fact that Mitsuki’s very state of existence is what matters here—not causality or that kind of nonsense. We are talking about a dream and a dreamer. The dreamer is always on a higher level of reality, as you know, and it is impossible to reach his core. He cannot be reached at all. Moreover, destroying the dreamer means the end of the dream, and all of this is clear evidence.

And in his conversation with Kuroyu, when Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, didn’t Mitsuki explicitly say that everything is just a game, just a dream, and that mere fictional characters cannot kill him? Is it logical that a character inside a video game or a dream could kill you???

All of this supports the conclusion that Mitsuki’s existence was on a higher level of reality, and that he was dreaming the entire world.

:As I said, you're misunderstanding the exception. In a world where powers or objects can only be used in one world due to different fundamental laws,
:But any power or object that can be used in all worlds is called an exception. Omnipotence is the same; it doesn't work in every world, but only in the world ruled by that particular god.

The Great Sage Mitsuki was one such "exception." His unique trait was to be loved by everyone and everything

At first, it seemed she had lost. But at that point, the other goddesses had been giving Mitsuki more of their power. Say, for example, that each goddess had one hundred points of power. In their contest for Mitsuki's affection, they had each given Mitsuki ten. While they wanted to grant him power to earn his favor, giving him too much would be ceding their ability to contest the other goddesses. So they had slowly and gradually given power to him...until one day Alexia suddenly gave up eighty points of her power to him.

That left her at ten points, the UEG and Luu at ninety, and Mitsuki himself at one hundred and ten. Alexia had greatly weakened herself, and it looked like she had no chance in the conflict any longer. However, it also resulted in Mitsuki having more power than the goddesses.

Though everything had revolved around him, Mitsuki had been no more than a spectator up until that point. Now things were different. While Mitsuki was used to members of the opposite sex constantly falling for him, a situation like this was too much. He lent all of his power to Alexia, feeling sympathy for her after she had given up everything she had.

: Mitsuki received power from all three and Night Omnipotent

Mitsuki had been freed. Though he had been granted nigh omnipotence, at heart he was just a boy with good looks

 

[Azertyhuuh]

:As you may know, Mitsuki is just a boy from a country similar to Japan. He's just an ordinary boy with the power of love.
:While he was walking to school, he encountered the three goddesses.

:As I said, you're misunderstanding the exception. In a world where powers or objects can only be used in one world due to different fundamental laws,
:But any power or object that can be used in all worlds is called an exception. Omnipotence is the same; it doesn't work in every world, but only in the world ruled by that particular god.


: Mitsuki received power from all three and Night Omnipotent

_This is my last comment here, and I will wait for the moderators’ opinion so it can be discussed properly.
_The thread will not be closed without my personal permission either.

Brother, you are deliberately ignoring what I’m saying, and the only reason for this is simply that I am new here. I wish the staff would at least make the effort to understand, instead of reading these trivial comments.

I told you that the Great Sage took 10 points from the first god and 10 points from the second god, while the third god gave him a full 80 points, which caused her to become weak, unlike the other two gods who only gave 10% of their power. He did not gather the full power of all three gods combined and end up with 110, and even after that, he did not reach the level he is currently at when he originally obtained that power. Rather, he himself said that he would train his power and understand his true nature, and this is exactly what you are trying to ignore, right? So my friend, do not ignore that. In any case, this is my last comment here. Quite simply, the transcendence he reached has nothing to do with the gods’ power. The gods’ power gave him power, but he did not ascend to a higher level of reality where he would dream the entire world—that is something that happened later. Therefore, all of your arguments are invalid. I also told you that the Great Sage is stronger than the sword that can kill all the higher gods and destroy all worlds in the final set—are you ignoring this as well? The power of that sword surpasses the power of all the gods combined, and its power exceeds the 110 power granted to him by the gods by billions of times or more. Or does your logic tell you that 110 is greater than all uncountable infinite numbers? That’s what your logic seems to imply. Mitsuki dreams of reality and the entire world; we are talking only about his current state now, and since he has achieved R>F, he is 1-A. Nothing else matters. Do not try to refute the arguments using nonsense and trivialities, and please do not ignore them—your hostility like this forces me to ignore you in the future.

There is no stronger proof than a character who dreams the entire world, and Yogiri cutting the connection between the dreamer and the dream itself. If the Great Sage dies, the dream will be destroyed and end, because he is the one dreaming it, and he is currently external. Nothing else that happened matters; what matters now is his external state, which cannot be reached from the lower reality, because the world itself is being dreamed by him—it is merely fiction, and its core cannot be reached.

Sometimes I feel like I am discussing, not fighting. Let’s drop the childish behavior and all this hatred—these are just fictional characters, and everyone is biased against the other. You find Dragon Ball fans hating Saitama and trying to downplay him, and you find Tensura fans opposing Anos Voldigoad fans. Enough of this behavior. If you are right, enter the discussion and provide a link honestly and fairly. Don’t come in as, for example, a Tensura fan into a discussion about Anos just to oppose deliberately. Be logical, be reasonable. Every character should get what they deserve. What’s the point of deceiving the thread creator and misleading them with false statements so their thread gets rejected even though they are honest? What do you gain—will it change the fact that the character is, in full truth, stronger, or will you just gain the sympathy of members so they think the character is weak? Be logical and fair, enter the discussion, and search for the truth. If you don’t understand or don’t know, or if it’s difficult to understand, this message is for everyone: from today on, everyone should know that I am fair between all works, no matter what. Every work will get its due, and I am not biased against any work. I have previously tried to open threads about Dragon Ball, Umineko, and different works—this is proof so people don’t think I am like you here. I am not like you, and I will remain fair between works.

 

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I'll address the scans themselves firstn

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Okay, and? An exception doesn't mean he dreams all worlds themselves.

Simply say, the "applicable in all worlds" just means the powers in question work in every world, not that it can encompass/destroy all worlds. They still can only destroy the local world they are in.

For example, there's this guy whose sword can destroy any world it's in, but that doesn't mean it can destroy the entire ultimate ensemble world, nor is it shown to do so:

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This time, he was on the beach, close to another town. He visited the town, but once again he found himself unable to understand the language. A quarrel broke out, and once again he swung his blade. Naturally, another world was destroyed.

After a few more instances of this happening, Kyuuzaburou started to understand it. The sword would appear when he called it or show up on its own if he was in danger. It would cut apart everything, destroying the entire world around him. After that, he would be sent to another world.

Every time he swung his blade, a world was destroyed, but that didn't mean he would let himself be killed. He tried to hold back, but no matter what he did, a single slash always brought the world to an end. So he became defiant. He had nothing but this sword to defend himself with. If others attacked him, it was their own fault.

Mitsuki also specifically says "this world is my dream" in context to the sword guy traveling to different worlds.


Sure, he questions if all those worlds were Mitsuki's dream, but that is merely a self question and nothing more, something that was never even answer as "yes" or "no" inside the novel. Afterwards without an answer, he just starts thinking "all those were Mitsuki's dream" but that's pretty much just an appeal to emotion. He's mentally shaken right now due to how surprising the situation is that he's making conclusions from his own self questions himself.

Whereas, if we go outside the novel and to the author's words himself, which you like to use all too well:

Q: Hello, i am sorry talking in english. Can i ask something? Do you mind if i ask you more about ultimate set of world? It was said that in in instant death series, universe is inside larger universe and so on, how far this go? It is infinite? And is mitsuki dream include in the entire ultimate set of world?

Answer:
Mitsuki's dream effect is localized and does not impact the entire world

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This, btw, can also be done by just being, well, SUPERIOR quantitatively. Mitsuki's basically the strongest God (except the Ultimate God from Volume 15)


Now, on to your words rather than the scans

First, Kyuuzaburou is an exception and does not belong to any world within the Absolute Set, and he is capable of destroying the entire Final Set,

Nothing in the scans say that, so prove it. It just says he can cut anything, and examplified by him cutting some worlds. In fact, the very notion that when he slashes the sword, only a single world gets destroyed each time means he can't destroyed them all.

Again, you'd have to prove otherwise with scans if that's not the case.

Also, they aren't really even something that "doesn't belong to any world in particlar". The scan literally says that these "exceptions" are nothing special, with their ONLY special power being that their powers are applicable in all worlds.

and even the higher gods can be destroyed by him

Scans? (Cuz the ones you sent don't say that)

Though even if you do prove this part, doesn't mean anything as that'll just mean Gods can't resist spatial hax.

, and in the end this sword itself is nothing more than a part of the Great Sage’s imagination

Well, as shown above, only this specific world they are in right now is Mitsuki's dream. The moment the sword guy enters this world, he's entering Mitsuki's "dream".

But the way, the "seeing everything as a dream" isn't even a state of being (Ontology) in this case, it's an "effect"

Q: Hello, i am sorry talking in english. Can i ask something? Do you mind if i ask you more about ultimate set of world? It was said that in in instant death series, universe is inside larger universe and so on, how far this go? It is infinite? And is mitsuki dream include in the entire ultimate set of world?

Answer:
Mitsuki's dream effect is localized and does not impact the entire world

Which goes along perfectly with this scan:

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Mitsuki was in the dark.

Though he was utterly confused, he was far from worried. For someone omnipotent, as he was, there was no such thing as fear. He could enjoy anything that happened to him.

"Did he do something to me?"

He tried to recall the previous events. He had thrown the erasure bolt, but Yogiri had made no attempt to avoid it. If he had, the attack would have followed him anyway, but Mitsuki hadn't bothered explaining that. He didn't remember seeing the attack land, so something must have happened before it made contact.

"He must have done something. But I really have no idea what."

"Let me tell you."

Mitsuki turned around at the sound of a person's voice. Standing within the darkness was a young man. He seemed a little familiar. He was one of the gods that had ruled over this world before Mitsuki had arrived and turned it into his own dream.

"You were one of the gods here before Malnarilna, right?"

"That's right. And I'm the current god too. After all that's happened, I've taken up the name Kouryu, so please call me that."

"Kouryu, is it? Why are you here?"

"Because things have finally gone the way I was hoping. I wanted to see you off, just to put the icing on the cake."

Mitsuki figured Kouryu was talking about taking back the Heavenly Throne after Malnarilna's death. Once Mitsuki reset the world, all that would be undone again, but Kouryu should have known that. If he wanted to bask in the glory he had achieved while he still had the chance, Mitsuki was happy to let him do so. Nothing Kouryu was saying bothered him in the least.

So it is blatantly stated that Mitsuki "turned" it into his dream, not "it was always his dream". This is just blatant subjective reality, not outright r>f


Whereas said "dream effect" (a.k.a. nigh omnipotence) is due to Alexia and 2 other goddesses giving the originally weak and normal Mitsuki their powers.

They were wildly obsessed with him, quite literally driven mad by love. If they could earn Mitsuki's love, they didn't want anything else. They offered him everything, with no consideration for themselves. It did not take long for them to reach the tipping point, Alexia being first.

At first, it seemed she had lost. But at that point, the other goddesses had been giving Mitsuki more of their power. Say, for example, that each goddess had one hundred points of power. In their contest for Mitsuki's affection, they had each given Mitsuki ten. While they wanted to grant him power to earn his favor, giving him too much would be ceding their ability to contest the other goddesses. So they had slowly and gradually given power to him...until one day Alexia suddenly gave up eighty points of her power to him.

That left her at ten points, the UEG and Luu at ninety, and Mitsuki himself at one hundred and ten. Alexia had greatly weakened herself, and it looked like she had no chance in the conflict any longer. However, it also resulted in Mitsuki having more power than the goddesses.

Though everything had revolved around him, Mitsuki had been no more than a spectator up until that point. Now things were different. While Mitsuki was used to members of the opposite sex constantly falling for him, a situation like this was too much. He lent all of his power to Alexia, feeling sympathy for her after she had given up everything she had.

The truce between the goddesses collapsed back into war. When their powers had been more or less even, any such conflict would develop into an eternal deadlock, but now that Alexia was a full third stronger than the other two, it was over in no time. If the other two had cooperated, they may have been able to resist her, but with them still in conflict, Alexia was able to defeat them one at a time.

Mitsuki had been freed. Though he had been granted nigh omnipotence, at heart he was just a boy with good looks. With far more power than he could handle, a long life of trial and error in figuring out how to make use of those abilities followed.

And, mind you, Mitsuki wasn't all "the world is my dream and I'm Omnipotent in it" from the start. Before he got empowered by the goddesses quantitatively (which, btw, is also an anti feat for r>f), he has just a normal boy that could be harmed simply by the rubble of the house falling on him.

"Reika, I don't mind if you want to walk to school with us, but bringing a car isn't a great idea."

"He's right!" Yumeno declared. "The roads are cramped enough as it is! You should have thought this through!"

"It is no matter! I have already acquired assent from the people of this neighborhood."

"Except I live in this neighborhood, and you didn't talk to me at all!" Rio snapped back.

"My, how rude of me!" Reika replied. "I thought it would be sufficient to speak only with the owners of the houses, but I suppose I will need to be more thorough in the future."

"What's that for?" Mitsuki asked as Reika pulled out a stack of bills.

"I need to acquire Miss Rio's approval, do I not?" she said boldly.

"I don't need money from you! Let's go!" Rio said, storming off. Mitsuki followed close behind as other girls from the neighborhood joined the entourage one by one. It was kind of a strange sight, but it was an everyday thing for Mitsuki. That everyday occurrence was about to be interrupted, though.

A bolt of lightning from the blue, despite there being not a cloud in the sky, struck the ground a few steps ahead of him. If he had stepped a little farther forward, he would have died. The asphalt shattered, cracks running out in every direction. A young girl wearing a white robe now stood where the lightning had struck.

"Ah! Of course he looks even better from up close, but this aroma too! I can't get enough!"

The girls around Mitsuki froze. Lightning had struck right in front of them. The shock of that would leave them confused regardless, but the fact that a girl had emerged from the strike had them even more bewildered.

"Now, I suppose I cannot afford to waste much time. I am sure others will have noticed your awakening by now. I will need to take you away before anyone else comes to interfere."

The beautiful young girl approached. Mitsuki was powerless to do anything but watch as she stepped closer. Before she made it to him, the chaos continued with another explosion and cloud of dust. Judging by the aftermath, it seemed like something had struck the first girl and sent her flying to the side. She had been sent through walls and houses, leaving a trail of destruction in her wake. It felt like a miracle that Mitsuki and the girls around him hadn't been injured, as close as she had been to them when she was struck. It looked like rubble from the blast was going to hit them, but it dodged around them instead.

"What is going on?" Rio muttered.

"I have no idea." Mitsuki echoed her thoughts.

"I do not know who you are, but I have to praise your nerve if you are willing to get in my way!"

"I was hoping that would have been enough to put you down for good. I really wanted that to settle things."

The girl in white seemed impressed by the woman in red who emerged after, wearing a strained smile.

"Fear not. Now that you have brought this fight, I will take it quite seriously. This won't end until you accept total defeat!"

"I wanted to finish this quickly so I could leave right away...but it looks like it's not just the two of us anymore," the woman in red said, looking behind the girl in white. Mitsuki turned to follow her gaze, finding a woman in blue descending from the sky in a pillar of blinding light.

"What a pain..." the girl in white said, clicking her tongue.

Mitsuki couldn't help but agree.

So yeh, there's no "Mitsuki was always the dreamer" type thing.
In the end his "dreaming the world" isn't a state but a power. Which falls under subjective reality, which is also what it's listed as on his profile at the moment

• Subjective Reality & Reality Warping (Via the ability to perceive the world as a game and alter reality following it. This allow to create indestructible object or allowing to open any locked door)

, meaning it is an exceptional sword that does not belong to anyone, and ultimately it is also part of the Great Sage’s imagination, and this proves that everything, and the entire Final Set, is nothing but fiction from the Great Sage’s perspective

No. Even the author says otherwise:

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Q: Hello, i am sorry talking in english. Can i ask something? Do you mind if i ask you more about ultimate set of world? It was said that in in instant death series, universe is inside larger universe and so on, how far this go? It is infinite? And is mitsuki dream include in the entire ultimate set of world?

Answer:
Mitsuki's dream effect is localized and does not impact the entire world

e, and also according to the rules—yes, yes, I remember when I brought the author’s answer and you said “the rules,” hmm—well, I will remind you of the rules now, which state that author answers are rejected, including his answer about the Great Sage, otherwise perhaps you would be ready to accept the explicit answer that was denied, which is that Yogiri’s true form transcends the concept of dimensions, even though it was a long answer with a precise explanation that helps in understanding the nature of his true form, but it was unfortunately rejected, despite the fact that it was not a short or emotional response from the author, but a three-line answer with an additional detailed explanation that clarifies his true form.

Actually no, only leading questions are prohibited, not "all words from author". Generally WoG is allowed as long as there's a reason to believe it's not a leading question or the questioner does not ask with the intention of powerscaling.

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So yeah, this WoG would be allowed BECAUSE it's not a leading question or trying to get the verse to a higher tier. For example, the question about "is Yogiri beyond the concept of dimensions" is clearly a leading question because if the author answers yes, it'll get Yogiri to insta 1-A or Low 1-A. It has nothing relevant to do with the plot of the novel and is clearly only asked with powerscaling intentions.

On the other hand, the WoG I used is "does Mizuki dream the entire ensemble world or not?" is relevant to the plot, as it's something directly effecting the plot of the novel and not a powerscaling question to get the verse at a higher rating.

What does it say on the page about fiction and reality? It says that if a character regards a world or spacetime as fiction, that qualifies them for 1-A. Meanwhile, the Great Sage views the sword—which is an exception within the Final Ensemble and is capable of destroying all worlds, including the higher gods—as nothing more than a part of his own imagination. Yet despite this, the sword is currently rated at 2-B and will become 2-A, and all of this has been denied. This actually exceeds the required criteria. The requirement is at least one world or one spacetime, while the Great Sage perceives entire timelines, and the sword—rated 2-B and being an exception—already surpasses what is needed for the 1-A tier. Moreover, it is illogical to say that a character who sees everything as a dream, fiction, or a game, and who is completely external, would not qualify—especially when he explicitly states that even if this world were destroyed, it would not reach his essence, because he is external. Just as he said, characters inside his dream cannot reach him. Yes, that is perfectly natural, because we are talking about a character of 1-A level that has been denied.

Eh, not really. Seeing an object as fiction isn't r>f but more so subjective reality, really. Otherwise you're have contraindications like the sword being less real than the world around if that it's effecting.

There is no connection at all between the merging of powers and his reaching or acquiring this power; this was something exclusive to the Great Sage alone, and power fusion has nothing to do with it and does not negate anything. If it were merely a matter of adding 10, 10, and 90 to reach 110, then this sword would be able to cut down all the higher gods and all the worlds in the Final Set, and its power would vastly surpass all of those gods. That would logically mean that this sword is far stronger than the Great Sage by many, many levels, since it can cut all the higher gods. When someone speaks, they should speak with logic. The Great Sage did not reach what he reached through the power of the higher gods; rather, this was a trait unique to the Great Sage alone: the fact that the entire world is merely a part of his imagination.

This is just plain wrong as shown above in the scans I sent. Before getting his powers, Mitsuki was just an utterly powerless pretty boy who could get hurt even from the rubble of destroying a house falling on him, lol

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

So count me in disagree, goat. My lowly self is too low to attempt to agree in your threads

 

[Hecky2222]

Wow indeed, I expected nothing less from the very archetype of goathood itself. A defending argument such as a non-1A becoming 1A by itself through its own power, and yes, I agree with the CRT.

Basically this

Count me on agree also

 

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I'll address the scans themselves firstn

Okay, and? An exception doesn't mean he dreams all worlds themselves.

Simply say, the "applicable in all worlds" just means the powers in question work in every world, not that it can encompass/destroy all worlds. They still can only destroy the local world they are in.

For example, there's this guy whose sword can destroy any world it's in, but that doesn't mean it can destroy the entire ultimate ensemble world, nor is it shown to do so:

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Mitsuki also specifically says "this world is my dream" in context to the sword guy traveling to different worlds.


Sure, he questions if all those worlds were Mitsuki's dream, but that is merely a self question and nothing more, something that was never even answer as "yes" or "no" inside the novel. Afterwards without an answer, he just starts thinking "all those were Mitsuki's dream" but that's pretty much just an appeal to emotion. He's mentally shaken right now due to how surprising the situation is that he's making conclusions from his own self questions himself.

Whereas, if we go outside the novel and to the author's words himself, which you like to use all too well:



Refer to what I said above about the sword


This, btw, can also be done by just being, well, SUPERIOR quantitatively. Mitsuki's basically the strongest God (except the Ultimate God from Volume 15)


Now, on to your words rather than the scans

Nothing in the scans say that, so prove it. It just says he can cut anything, and examplified by him cutting some worlds. In fact, the very notion that when he slashes the sword, only a single world gets destroyed each time means he can't destroyed them all.

Again, you'd have to prove otherwise with scans if that's not the case.

Also, they aren't really even something that "doesn't belong to any world in particlar". The scan literally says that these "exceptions" are nothing special, with their ONLY special power being that their powers are applicable in all worlds.

Scans? (Cuz the ones you sent don't say that)

Though even if you do prove this part, doesn't mean anything as that'll just mean Gods can't resist spatial hax.

Well, as shown above, only this specific world they are in right now is Mitsuki's dream. The moment the sword guy enters this world, he's entering Mitsuki's "dream".

But the way, the "seeing everything as a dream" isn't even a state of being (Ontology) in this case, it's an "effect"



Which goes along perfectly with this scan:

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So it is blatantly stated that Mitsuki "turned" it into his dream, not "it was always his dream". This is just blatant subjective reality, not outright r>f


Whereas said "dream effect" (a.k.a. nigh omnipotence) is due to Alexia and 2 other goddesses giving the originally weak and normal Mitsuki their powers.



And, mind you, Mitsuki wasn't all "the world is my dream and I'm Omnipotent in it" from the start. Before he got empowered by the goddesses quantitatively (which, btw, is also an anti feat for r>f), he has just a normal boy that could be harmed simply by the rubble of the house falling on him.


So yeh, there's no "Mitsuki was always the dreamer" type thing.
In the end his "dreaming the world" isn't a state but a power. Which falls under subjective reality, which is also what it's listed as on his profile at the moment


No. Even the author says otherwise:

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Actually no, only leading questions are prohibited, not "all words from author". Generally WoG is allowed as long as there's a reason to believe it's not a leading question or the questioner does not ask with the intention of powerscaling.

Questions regarding WoG (what is accepted and what is not)

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If you don't want to read the entire thread you can just focus on this comment:

Questions regarding WoG (what is accepted and what is not)

Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. So I asked this question to some staff in discord but some is not enough, thus comes this question thread. So there's this review section on the Japanese site (syosetu) which allows author-reader interaction to an extent. Now the author of TenSura...

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So yeah, this WoG would be allowed BECAUSE it's not a leading question or trying to get the verse to a higher tier. For example, the question about "is Yogiri beyond the concept of dimensions" is clearly a leading question because if the author answers yes, it'll get Yogiri to insta 1-A or Low 1-A. It has nothing relevant to do with the plot of the novel and is clearly only asked with powerscaling intentions.

On the other hand, the WoG I used is "does Mizuki dream the entire ensemble world or not?" is relevant to the plot, as it's something directly effecting the plot of the novel and not a powerscaling question to get the verse at a higher rating.

Eh, not really. Seeing an object as fiction isn't r>f but more so subjective reality, really. Otherwise you're have contraindications like the sword being less real than the world around if that it's effecting.

This is just plain wrong as shown above in the scans I sent. Before getting his powers, Mitsuki was just an utterly powerless pretty boy who could get hurt even from the rubble of destroying a house falling on him, lol

So count me in disagree, goat. My lowly self is too low to attempt to agree in your threads

You’ve just exhausted yourself, and all your words are nonsense; they don’t refute anything. I’m not going to bother rewriting the same responses every time. You can focus on your work, Tensor, instead of bothering me here. Besides, there are plenty of other topics where you can waste your time. Just so you know, all your words are nonsense, and you’ve worn yourself out.

 

[Robo432343]

You’ve just exhausted yourself, and all your words are nonsense; they don’t refute anything. I’m not going to bother rewriting the same responses every time. You can focus on your work, Tensor, instead of bothering me here. Besides, there are plenty of other topics where you can waste your time. Just so you know, all your words are nonsense, and you’ve worn yourself out.

the aura

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

You’ve just exhausted yourself, and all your words are nonsense; they don’t refute anything

That's not a counter lol
I can say the same for your thread "it doesn't make sense, all of it is nonsense" yet my vote wouldn't really count since I'm not refuting anytime nor agreeing to someone else who gave a valid reason to disagree.

. I’m not going to bother rewriting the same responses every time. You can focus on your work, Tensor, instead of bothering me here. Besides, there are plenty of other topics where you can waste your time. Just so you know, all your words are nonsense, and you’ve worn yourself out.

As you wish goat
I can't handle your aura, so I'll leave

 

[korea1234]

You’ve just exhausted yourself, and all your words are nonsense; they don’t refute anything. I’m not going to bother rewriting the same responses every time. You can focus on your work, Tensor, instead of bothering me here. Besides, there are plenty of other topics where you can waste your time. Just so you know, all your words are nonsense, and you’ve worn yourself out.

Oh my gosh

 

[BoastJr]

When will you update the Vote tally Goat

 

[Vesxpura]

Yeah listen dude, ur just misapplying r>f to instant death. Even R>F doesnt qualify for 1-A, and isnt required by it either. The only instance r>f actually qualifies is when you already have something to suggest a 1A thing, and after that you can use R>F to support that claim. so this whole thing just falls apart.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

When will you update the Vote tally Goat

Your opinion will not be taken into account in the voting. Please understand this well and remember it.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yeah listen dude, ur just misapplying r>f to instant death. Even R>F doesnt qualify for 1-A, and isnt required by it either. The only instance r>f actually qualifies is when you already have something to suggest a 1A thing, and after that you can use R>F to support that claim. so this whole thing just falls apart.

The Absolute God and Kouryu explicitly stated that Yogiri’s very existence is more important than the existence of the Great Sage himself. Kouryu said this directly to the Great Sage after Yogiri defeated him. The Great Sage asked how it was possible for a character from his own dream to defeat him, saying that such a thing was impossible. Kouryu replied that Yogiri’s existence itself is more fundamental than yours, and that Yogiri was never part of your dream to begin with. It was stated that Yogiri is the one who makes any existence or phenomenon possible, and without him, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist. Therefore, in both cases, Yogiri is 1-A, because his existence is inherently higher and more fundamental than the Great Sage’s existence itself, and without him, there would be no reality or anything at all.

 

[Vesxpura]

Therefore, in both cases, Yogiri is 1-A, because his existence is inherently higher and more fundamental than the Great Sage’s existence itself, and without him, there would be no reality or anything at all.

Thats not how it works. a higher existence is very vague and therefore doesnt qualify for what qualitative superiority entails. Also being the source of reality or what grounds it doesnt qualify either. This is why hypostases arent inherently 1A. all ur doing is justifying why hes a fundamental concept type NOT why hes outer. PLEASE read the standards

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Thats not how it works. a higher existence is very vague and therefore doesnt qualify for what qualitative superiority entails. Also being the source of reality or what grounds it doesnt qualify either. This is why hypostases arent inherently 1A. all ur doing is justifying why hes a fundamental concept type NOT why hes outer. PLEASE read the standards

Yogiri’s true form, my brother, exists everywhere and at all times, and it seems you did not understand at all, haha. I feel like I’m talking to myself—no, rather, I feel like I’m the only one who understands myself. I told you that Yogiri’s existence is what makes everything exist, no matter what it is, including the Great Sage, his dream, and everything else. Yogiri’s existence is more important than the existence of the Great Sage himself, and on top of that, Yogiri’s true form exists everywhere.

 

[sukuna171]

This, btw, can also be done by just being, well, SUPERIOR quantitatively. Mitsuki's basically the strongest God (except the Ultimate God from Volume 15)

Mitsuki isn’t even the second strongest; the Unknown God from volume 15 of Instant Death and the God from the short story Demon God Alliance are both stronger.

 

[Vesxpura]

Yogiri’s true form, my brother, exists everywhere and at all times, and it seems you did not understand at all, haha. I feel like I’m talking to myself—no, rather, I feel like I’m the only one who understands myself. I told you that Yogiri’s existence is what makes everything exist, no matter what it is, including the Great Sage, his dream, and everything else. Yogiri’s existence is more important than the existence of the Great Sage himself, and on top of that, Yogiri’s true form exists everywhere.

Great, omnipresence, so are we going to give every character with omnipresence 1A? Just think for a minute about what ur arguing. U dont even know the standards of the wiki and ur trying to make a proposal.

 

[SweetDao]

Mitsuki isn’t even the second strongest; the Unknown God from volume 15 of Instant Death and the God from the short story Demon God Alliance are both stronger.

The scan for the "second strongest" was released before Volume 15, so here's why.

Also, are you sure about the Demon God? Like, I agree he should be powerful, but isn't it rather ambiguous where to place him?