(8-2-0) Another 10 years old takes on the llama god | Undertale vs Pokémon

[StrymULTRA]

This is something I wanted to do from a looong while (trust me it works).

• Frisk is at Peak Determination.
• Arceus' Avatar is used.
• Speed is equalized.
• SBA.

God (Pocket) Monster: 2 (@Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera, @Lynieryz)

Human Child: 8 (@Delusionaltx2, @EnderLord8, @Qurbonboev, @Kellex, @LittleGuy99, @Greatsage13th, @TheOrangeGuy09, @FoxySonicMaster108)

Idk (incon): 0

 

[Qurbonboev]

Arceus trying to kill Frisk

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus trying to kill Frisk

Why didn't Arceus have Extreme Speed here it's one of the key moves of any movseset of it smfh.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Arceus negs anything Frisk can try and AP stomps. Spite match.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus negs anything Frisk can try

Arceus' first moves aren't even insta-death hax, but attacks like Judgement that Frisk can easily dodge. Plus' we have these nice things:

I don't think it's impossible for Frisk to, ya know, talk it out lol.

and AP stomps.

Arceus is baseline, Frisk is infinitely above so.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Arceus' first moves aren't even insta-death hax, but attacks like Judgement that Frisk can easily dodge. Plus' we have these nice things:

I don't think it's impossible for Frisk to, ya know, talk it out lol.

Not even Rei's Pokemon, including Arceus himself, can reliably dodge Judgment (if they even can), and even if Frisk can, Arceus sinks her evasiveness like a brick and then hits her. Arceus will already know everything Frisk might say anyway.

Arceus is baseline, Frisk is infinitely above so.

So you made a matchup where one character is infinity times stronger than the other? That would be spite in the opposite direction.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Not even Rei's Pokemon, including Arceus himself, can reliably dodge Judgment (if they even can)

Comparing Rei to Frisk is something indeed lmfao. Nothing in Pokémon even gets close to stuff like Sans or Undyne the Undying in danmaku complexity.

Arceus sinks her evasiveness like a brick and then hits her.

The humble Sea Tea:

Arceus will already know everything Frisk might say anyway.

I mean if Ash managed to pull the trick...

So you made a matchup where one character is infinity times stronger than the other? That would be spite in the opposite direction.

Arceus has many, many hax that can incapacitate Frisk, like mind hax, sealing, a better time hax, etc. etc. So not really.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Why didn't Arceus have Extreme Speed here it's one of the key moves of any movseset of it smfh.

Trainer is a noob, who didn't know about FEAR strategy

Following

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Comparing Rei to Frisk is something indeed lmfao. Nothing in Pokémon even gets close to stuff like Sans or Undyne the Undying in danmaku complexity.

Judgment has accuracy at least comparable to Thunderbolt, which will never miss.

The humble Sea Tea:

That will increase her speed, not evasiveness.

I mean if Ash managed to pull the trick...

By getting Arceus to remember the change in the timeline, not by convincing him to stop attacking. Besides, it took Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina together to even get Stylers to begin to work on an Arceus with zero Plates, which are an extension of friendship.

Arceus has many, many hax that can incapacitate Frisk, like mind hax, sealing, a better time hax, etc. etc. So not really.

So either Arceus shitstomps instantly or Frisk oneshots only if the stars align (and by assuming the attack can't be negged)... yeah.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Judgment has accuracy at least comparable to Thunderbolt, which will never miss.

Game Mechanics, Thunderbolt is something that could be dodged in anime and manga multiple times, and Judgement could be dodged from Rei anyway, let alone Frisk.

That will increase her speed, not evasiveness.

I mean, I don't think it'd mean much against someone who is experienced in dealing with Danmaku that requires hard muscle memory with complex patterns. As long as it can still be dodged, Frisk mostly likely still would.

By getting Arceus to remember the change in the timeline, not by convincing him to stop attacking. Besides, it took Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina together to even get Stylers to begin to work on an Arceus with zero Plates

It still means that Arceus can still be convinced, it's not like it's dead-set on killing a random kid from frame 1, Arceus doesn't have the same personal reasons that Asgore or Undyne have against UT humans.

which are an extension of friendship.

What

So either Arceus shitstomps instantly

It literally doesn't lead with said hax, as I said.

 

[Kellex]

Are the Pokemon movies canon? If they are, then I think Frisk can potentially talk to Arceus just like Ash in a similar manner.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Game Mechanics, Thunderbolt is something that could be dodged in anime and manga multiple times, and Judgement could be dodged from Rei anyway, let alone Frisk.

Character statements aren't game mechanics. It could be dodged by Rei because Arceus's test was primarily for Rei, not his Pokemon. Even by reducing Arceus's HP to 0, he barely acted like anything happened, and it was only for Rei to have a small opening.

I mean, I don't think it'd mean much against someone who is experienced in dealing with Danmaku that requires hard muscle memory with complex patterns. As long as it can still be dodged, Frisk mostly likely still would.

What do you you think "lowered evasiveness" means?

It still means that Arceus can still be convinced, it's not like it's dead-set on killing a random kid from frame 1, Arceus doesn't have the same personal reasons that Asgore or Undyne have against UT humans.

Standard Battle Assumptions.

What

Stylers, I mean.

It literally doesn't lead with said hax, as I said.

It would if something could genuinely threaten him.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Character statements aren't game mechanics.

Clemont isn't Flowey lmfao. He's just explaining a game mechanic. Plus, I always interpreted the accuracy of "how much the move does not suck at hitting opponents". You're confusing this with no-accuracy moves like Aerial Ace, those are what never miss no matter what.

Even by reducing Arceus's HP to 0, he barely acted like anything happened, and it was only for Rei to have a small opening.

Good thing Frisk isn't trying to fight offensively in this scenario.

What do you you think "lowered evasiveness" means?

The ability to dodge stuff? Let's not pretend the entire Undyine fight didn't happen, please.

Standard Battle Assumptions.

Frisk literally could win fights with using MERCY prior. Social Influencing exists.

Stylers, I mean.

Bro acts as if it's the only way to befriend a Pokémon lol.

It would if something could genuinely threaten him.

It's literally a short child, come on lol. Plus Omniscience doesn't cover things that aren't from one's verse.

Are the Pokemon movies canon? If they are, then I think Frisk can potentially talk to Arceus just like Ash in a similar manner.

All of Pokémon is canon, yeah.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Clemont isn't Flowey lmfao. He's just explaining a game mechanic. Plus, I always interpreted the accuracy of "how much the move does not suck at hitting opponents". You're confusing this with no-accuracy moves like Aerial Ace, those are what never miss no matter what.

I know it's a hyperbole, but it's a darn good one. Arceus can use moves with Vector Manipulation like that anyways.

Good thing Frisk isn't trying to fight offensively in this scenario.

Why not? It's literally her only chance of winning.

The ability to dodge stuff? Let's not pretend the entire Undyine fight didn't happen, please.

Correct, which means a lowered evasiveness will make her not be able to do that.

Frisk literally could win fights with using MERCY prior. Social Influencing exists.

That doesn't mean she'll be able to do that to essentially a Composite Arceus.

Bro acts as if it's the only way to befriend a Pokémon lol.

No, I'm not.

It's literally a short child, come on lol. Plus Omniscience doesn't cover things that aren't from one's verse.

Good thing he has multiple ways of analyzing her.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus can use moves with Vector Manipulation like that anyways.

It does not lead with these in-character, again. For the entire movie when it was uber-pissed it spammed shit like Blizzard or Flamethrower lmao.

Why not? It's literally her only chance of winning.

Why would Arceus just... ignore whatever Frisk says? You're pretending that it's gonna keep to ram at them no matter what they say.

Correct, which means a lowered evasiveness will make her not be able to do that.

Frisk still managed to with Undyne, so...

No, I'm not.

So why is Frisk supposedly unable to talk out?

Good thing he has multiple ways of analyzing her.

Bro if Frisk is never attacking Arceus once and only tries to end with a pacifist talk, I don't think it'd keep to go all-murder mode? Arceus not only lacks the personal reasons to keep attacking Frisk, but it's never been "threatened" in the sense of physical harm here.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'm leaning on the fact that Frisk would most likely befriend Arceus before he could use his wincons. But I'll how the further discussion goes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm leaning on the fact that Frisk would most likely befriend Arceus before he could use his wincons. But I'll how the further discussion goes.

Tbf it makes me think: would Info 2 EE be able to bypass Type 9 Immortality in a way? Because not even the Original Spirit has Info 2 hax, which could make recovering the physical form problematic, but at the same time we're talking of a 1-A entity so I dunno.

Though this isn't Chara despite Frisk can do the same.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It does not lead with these in-character, again. For the entire movie when it was uber-pissed it spammed shit like Blizzard or Flamethrower lmao.

That’s because it was Jewel of Life, which was a bad movie and had almost none of Arceus’s rules set in stone yet.

Why would Arceus just... ignore whatever Frisk says? You're pretending that it's gonna keep to ram at them no matter what they say.

Because Arceus would know what Frisk is trying to do.

Frisk still managed to with Undyne, so...

That’s because of the shield.

So why is Frisk supposedly unable to talk out?

She can, it just won’t help.

Bro if Frisk is never attacking Arceus once and only tries to end with a pacifist talk, I don't think it'd keep to go all-murder mode? Arceus not only lacks the personal reasons to keep attacking Frisk, but it's never been "threatened" in the sense of physical harm here.

Literally Arceus was about to be killed in Jewel of Life.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That’s because it was Jewel of Life, which was a bad movie and had almost none of Arceus’s rules set in stone yet.

Composite means taking everything Sean, both for the good or the bad, we don't take just what's convenient. Plus there was never a single instance when Arceus doesn't open up with basic moves in combat anyways.

Because Arceus would know what Frisk is trying to do.

Frisk isn't one of Arceus' creation nor is part of Pokémon franchise, meaning that Arceus' omniscience isn't helping here. Plus Frisk would just try to befriend it with harmless dialogue anyways.

That’s because of the shield.

But Arceus isn't hindering Frisk's physical movement? Plus even then Frisk is infinitely above Arceus in stats so lol.

She can, it just won’t help.

You didn't tell yet why would Arceus just go instantly full-murder mode against a seemingly harmless human kid.

Literally Arceus was about to be killed in Jewel of Life.

Good thing Frisk isn't trying to do that here.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said: She can, it just won’t help.

Does Arceus indiscriminately kill everything?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said: She can, it just won’t help.

Does Arceus indiscriminately kill everything?

Pretty counterproductive for a creator entity ngl

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Composite means taking everything Sean, both for the good or the bad, we don't take just what's convenient. Plus there was never a single instance when Arceus doesn't open up with basic moves in combat anyways.

It actually means using the best things for each stat.

Frisk isn't one of Arceus' creation nor is part of Pokémon franchise, meaning that Arceus' omniscience isn't helping here. Plus Frisk would just try to befriend it with harmless dialogue anyways.

Great, and Arceus isn’t even close to as impressionable as Asriel.

But Arceus isn't hindering Frisk's physical movement? Plus even then Frisk is infinitely above Arceus in stats so lol.

…Yes he is, because he’s lowering her evasiveness.

You didn't tell yet why would Arceus just go instantly full-murder mode against a seemingly harmless human kid.

“Why would Arceus want to win the matchup?”

Good thing Frisk isn't trying to do that here.

Stop moving the goalposts, you know I’m not saying she is.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said: She can, it just won’t help.

Does Arceus indiscriminately kill everything?

Dafuq? Why would it imply that at all?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Dafuq? Why would it imply that at all?

I mean...

“Why would Arceus want to win the matchup?”

Sounds like he'd do anything to win, so he'd just kill indiscriminately to achieve it. That's what you're implying on my end.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It actually means using the best things for each stat.

Ok, and when did Arceus open with something that isn't a basic-ass move, again? Especially against a random human child.

Great, and Arceus isn’t even close to as impressionable as Asriel.

Asriel had a whole bunch of context on his own, and Frisk managed to pacify him only after they reasoned with the SOULs within him, which managed to make him regain all the love and compassion he's lost as Flowey.

Arceus here is just another opponent who just tries to harm Frisk, but does not know anything about them besides that.

…Yes he is, because he’s lowering her evasiveness.

Thank god it does not mean it's fully hindering their movements!

“Why would Arceus want to win the matchup?”

Again, Frisk would just convince it to stop and give up to get a peaceful ending for both that harms no one.

 

[EnderLord8]

Ascended's arguments don't seem very strong; what Strym said makes more sense to me...

Frisk fra

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Even if Strym was right that would be inconclusive

 

[StrymULTRA]

Even if Strym was right that would be inconclusive

It's a win for Frisk because Arceus would self-incapacitate by giving up. Can't really keep fighting if you don't want to after all.

Even then, don't you remember the huge "YOU WON!" that appears anytime you end a fighting with Mercy?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It's a win for Frisk because Arceus would self-incapacitate by giving up. Can't really keep fighting if you don't want to after all.

Even then, don't you remember the huge "YOU WON!" that appears anytime you end a fighting with Mercy?

You really did turn against Pokemon. “Erm, Arceus simply incapacitates himself and thus auto-loses because he decides not to fight. Btw ignore these things just not working on Asgore or Undyne”

 

[StrymULTRA]

You really did turn against Pokemon.

Dude I am literally one of those who thinks Pokémon is one of the most downplayed verses out there lmao.

“Erm, Arceus simply incapacitates himself and thus auto-loses because he decides not to fight. Btw ignore these things just not working on Asgore or Undyne”

Asgore and Undyne had reasons why they kept fighting against Frisk, reasons that Arceus lacks because it does not have any issue with UT humans nor the need of getting Human SOULs.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You really did turn against Pokemon. “Erm, Arceus simply incapacitates himself and thus auto-loses because he decides not to fight. Btw ignore these things just not working on Asgore or Undyne”

Frisk has mercified gods who destroyed everything before, those 2 cases you mentioned are barely going to change that fact.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Dude I am literally one of those who thinks Pokémon is one of the most downplayed verses out there lmao.

Not only is that untrue, you’re literally downplaying Pokemon right now.

Asgore and Undyne had reasons why they kept fighting against Frisk, reasons that Arceus lacks because it does not have any issue with UT humans nor the need of getting Human SOULs.

Because that’s certainly the only reason in fiction that people wouldn’t believe everything they hear. Steven Universe gets flicked by basically all his MUs despite literally being able to do this exact same thing.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Not only is that untrue, you’re literally downplaying Pokemon right now.

I am not making fanfictions by assuming that Arceus would start with some kind of instant-deadly hax against a literal human child, especially when it never did against anyone before in-canon in any combat scenario?

Because that’s certainly the only reason in fiction that people wouldn’t believe everything they hear.

And Arceus wouldn't trust Frisk because?

Steven Universe gets flicked by basically all his MUs despite literally being able to do this exact same thing.

Frisk has a supernautural Determination aura that allows them to easily make people give up as soon as they start doubting their intent to fight. Steven doesn't have that.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Steven Universe gets flicked by basically all his MUs despite literally being able to do this exact same thing.

Bro compared coughing baby to hydrogen baby

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Do low 1-C Arceus vs HSR

 

[StrymULTRA]

Do low 1-C Arceus vs HSR

Why would I make a stomp match against gachaslop

 

[Steve1775]

Anyway, frisk wins because of stupid SI. Arceus while trying to win will still be willing to listen to a child (hell he listens to most pokemon protag) and frisk can choose to just go the peaceful route instead.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Anyway, frisk wins because of stupid SI. Arceus while trying to win will still be willing to listen to a child (hell he listens to most pokemon protag) and frisk can choose to just go the peaceful route instead.

Oh, if that's the case...then I'll vote Frisk too.

 

[Steve1775]

Yeah, I fell Frisk would have a better chance at HSR compared to most of the other UT characters because of that stupid SI

 

[Qurbonboev]

Frisk FRA