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The Long Awaited Hazbin Hotel Season 2 CRT

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Tllmbrg said:
So the evidence are WoGs that have no actual showings in the series itself?
Yah I'm gonna pass on using those until the show has more concrete examples of it, especially since if busting into a song literally empowers you why the Hell is Vox not just blasting the air 24/7 with some remix?
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Have we forgotten the VERY FIRST scene of the show? Where Lilith empowered Hell through her songs?
So much so that the Angels (Who ya know, are INVINCIBLE to Sinners) were threatened?

And like, please do tell, if this amp (Which is supported both in-verse and out of it) doesn't exist.
How are the characters, who regularly struggle with gunfire and big falls and have nothing even above 9-A in terms of feats, performing a 5-B feat, not an outlier?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Furthermore, WOG can be used as long as it doesn't contradict the series, and this information doesn't contradict anything.
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Again, why doesn't Vox play/sing 24/7 then?
Why don't everyone blood do it? If just singing makes you jump from tier 7/9 to tier 5 surely you can spare a moment to belch out a tune so you atomize the enemy?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Where does it say that hell is a planet?
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They're called universes that function like planets in the Vivziepop article with polygon.
"It's just because there's a lot of magic and a lot of fantasy in the two universes," Medrano says. "In Hell, they have what essentially acts as a moon or a sun, which is the orb with the pentagram symbol. And then Heaven is its own realm, and that's also in the distance. So we can see the two of them reflected a lot."

Medrano says Heaven and Hell are essentially "like two different planets in a lot of ways — that's kind of how we treat them."
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And no, I didn't add the universe part in the quote before you ask where it is.
 
Tllmbrg said:
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Rosie did make him the Strongest Sinner and there is Difference in Overlord Ranks

Zestial can scare an Overlord away with his appearance in Season 1 (Prick was it?)

It also makes sense that Alastor held back seeing as how Huskar calls the Vees Nobodies and can hold his own (With Cherry assisting) against Valentino with Valentino fighting CQC with weakened Alastor earlier in S2
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Lilith point actually goes against the point since it is supposed to be special to her. Otherwise why doesn't literally anybody empower Hell via singing, especially Vox in his propaganda off building on Lilith's image.
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I'm not saying that, I'm saying no one knew they could do it, which is essentially why she was the only one to do it.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Have we forgotten the VERY FIRST scene of the show? Where Lilith empowered Hell through her songs?
So much so that the Angels (Who ya know, are INVINCIBLE to Sinners) were threatened?
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The
Opening that is in the clearly far more metaphorical art style? And why are we acting like Lilith does not probably have unique powers to herself?
 
And for the "why don't they just use it more?" argument.
The WoG clearly established that it isn't just singing, "Hear My Hope" is explicitly the ONLY time they tap into this power.
 
Tllmbrg said:
The
Opening that is in the clearly far more metaphorical art style? And why are we acting like Lilith does not probably have unique powers to herself?
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Oh, if only there wasn't a WoG that straight-up tells us it wasn't metaphorical and that it isn't just a Lilith thing. Ah, if only.
 
Tllmbrg said:
Oh hey, this came around.
Well I put myself in the 5-B to Low 5-B crowd, however I want to note that Alastor should probably get a different value for him in general and Full Power.
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Which one? Likely, possibly, solid 5-B, solid Low 5-B?
Tllmbrg said:
Arguments for why Alastor's contribution/strength is at least x2 the proposed values:
Off season 1 we know that Husker sold his soul so Alastor maintains his power, so I think it's entirely fair to say Alastor's powers are what actively keep the former the power level he is. The idea that Alastor is equal multiple Overlord outputs even while weakened is supported by him taking the Vees in a 3v1 and holding his own even when it's a battle he actively wanted to lose, and the fact even when Vox got an insane power boost from 100% approval rating Alastor was still tearing him a new one and required Vox to use two super weapons (His pet and the canon) to finally beat them.
So I think saying Weakened Alastor > x2 the shittier Overlords value wise is fine
And then I feel for how much of a big deal Alastor made of Rosie giving him his full power back, to where he was willing to nuke everyone (Including Nifty, who is the only person we've seen Alastor sorta care to any degree about) I think another at least x2 on top is fine.

So for Low 5-B he'd be at least 3670.08 Exaton
And then for 5-B he'd be at least 485.68 Zetaton.
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I'd like other opinions on this, I'm not exactly going to give an unstated multiplier
 
Tllmbrg said:
Yah, shame. Anyways, I'd rather my plot important details in the show personally, so until we actually have more stuff to show this mechanic I'm just saying no to this entire idea.
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You're acting like the show, tells us anything? Does it even tell us how Overlord deals work? Nah it's WoG.
The whole approval Vox rating thing? Oh yeah not a single line of dialogue about it.

And EVEN if we just choose to ignore the very blatant amp they got, these guys are street tiers, they DIE to regular bullets. How is 5-B NOT an outlier to you?
 
Tllmbrg said:
Again, why doesn't Vox play/sing 24/7 then?
Why don't everyone blood do it? If just singing makes you jump from tier 7/9 to tier 5 surely you can spare a moment to belch out a tune so you atomize the enemy?
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This isn't really an argument. If that's the case, why doesn't he do it?

If Husk is ftl-planetary, why does he hide from gunfire? The guy is millions of times faster and stronger. If the characters are 5-B, why couldn't Lute get rid of a rock stuck in her arm?

This could be argued for literally anything.

Furthermore, we only know that singing gives power. We don't know how much power is increased if only one person sings or two. What we do know is that singing gave enough power to 14 characters (overlords, etc.) to stop a weapon like that. 5-B can be reached with just that number of people or it depends on the song, you don't know. You're assuming that any singing increases power to 5-B.

Besides, you're assuming that all the characters in the series know this system of singing increasing power. When we don't know that.

Mythic381 said:
They're called universes that function like planets in the Vivziepop article with polygon.

And no, I didn't add the universe part in the quote before you ask where it is.
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It's funny how the only thing you guys have to say about heaven and hell being planets is WOG.

But you ignore WOG explicitly talking about how the singing amplified them.

DaReaperMan said:
You realize I hate it all equally, right? If I had my way we'd kill every bit of ancient ass WoG from the profiles, and frankly I just might make a CRT to do it.
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Reaper, if you want to remove WOG from the verse, this CRT will be affected since the whole thing about heaven and hell being planets comes entirely from WOG.
 
Just so y'all understand we literally just got 2 moderator agreements... holy ******* shit
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Reaper, if you want to remove WOG from the verse, this CRT will be affected since the whole thing about heaven and hell being planets comes entirely from WOG.
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Standard assumption for celestial bodies like this is them being planets. Frankly, I didn't even know the WoG existed that they were planets before this thread dropped.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Standard assumption for celestial bodies like this is them being planets. Frankly, I didn't even know the WoG existed that they were planets before this thread dropped.
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Okay, where does it say that?

Because the category of "celestial body" includes dwarf planets like Pluto and even things like comets.

So point me to the wiki page that says that.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
You're acting like the show, tells us anything? Does it even tell us how Overlord deals work? Nah it's WoG.
The whole approval Vox rating thing? Oh yeah not a single line of dialogue about it.
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Yah, I would personally not assume shit about deals until the show actually sits down and explain it.
Viv has a bad case of assuming people consume all Hazbin media, so the pages on our site will suffer for her sins.
Eden_Warlock99 said:
And EVEN if we just choose to ignore the very blatant amp they got, these guys are street tiers, they DIE to regular bullets. How is 5-B NOT an outlier to you?
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Lots of verses with guns just assume those guns scale.
 
Tllmbrg said:
Yah, I would personally not assume shit about deals until the show actually sits down and explain it.
Viv has a bad case of assuming people consume all Hazbin media, so the pages on our site will suffer for her sins.
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When has this ever been the standard in regards to WoG? One that's outright supported in the show?
Tllmbrg said:
Lots of verses with guns just assume those guns scale.
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Oh, does gravity also scale? Cause Velvette got taken out by large fall, and Lute, you know, the gal who's INVINCIBLE to the Overlords was done in by falling rubble.

But obviously the characters who have no Tier 8 feats, no Tier 7 feats, no Tier 6 feats and not even a direct Tier 5 feat, nah 5-B is definitely consistent for them.
 
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