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Lute vs Naoya

Uhh does Lute soul erasure works on Naoya cause iirc those angelic weapons are able to erase souls from existence but it feels like it only works on demons
 
Harry_Ackerman_6969 said:
Uhh does Lute soul erasure works on Naoya cause iirc those angelic weapons are able to erase souls from existence but it feels like it only works on demons
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it doesn't, works on everyone (It erased Adam's soul and he was an archangel)
However, the soul erasure only works after the person is killed by the blade, not just from a stab (though, it negates regen with any word, not that it matters since Naoya can't heal)
 
Got it. thx.


I feel like Naoya takes this. While although Lute is just slightly stronger and durable than him, I don't think that will be much of a problem for Naoya considering this guy moves much faster than her (even with speed equalized thx to his CT) I don't see how Lute could deal against someone who's just outright faster than her considering she went toe to toe with someone that's comparable to her in speed. Essentially a Speedster vs Super Strength typa fight. (Unless she gets a hold of him which is a completely different story (Class 5 vs Class M) but that wouldn't happened with his CT)
 
Naoya scales to 58.4 Tons cuz of Mahito

Lute scales at least to 24.808 Tons due to upscaling from Pentious, but downscales from 73.688 tons due to being blatantly inferior to every Overlord in the series who can do this

what's stopping Naoya from just blitzing by stacking Projection Sorcery and blasting Lute back to the kitchen

Regeneration doesn't help when it takes her hours to restore her body, not to mention her regeneration is contentious to begin with cuz ripping her own arm off didn't make her regenerate said arm even though no angelic weaponry was used, not to mention Angels can also be hurt by just being slammed into walls and stuff

voting Naoya
 
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Mickey1940 said:
Lute scales at least to 24.808 Tons due to upscaling from Pentious, but downscales from 73.688 tons due to being blatantly inferior to every Overlord in the series who can do this
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Every Overlord not named Alastor against Lute:
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You're also completely wrong on the values, like didn't it strike you as weird that Lute is 8-A, ya know, the rating who's baseline is 100 Tons?
Regular Overlords don't even scale to Shok.wav in the slightest either, he had the second strongest Sinner running the moment he appeared lol
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Every Overlord not named Alastor against Lute:
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You're also completely wrong on the values, like didn't it strike you as weird that Lute is 8-A, ya know, the rating who's baseline is 100 Tons?
Regular Overlords don't even scale to Shok.wav in the slightest either, he had the second strongest Sinner running the moment he appeared lol
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didn't Carmilla dogstomp Vaggie who could fight toe to toe with Lute

still doesn't change my vote, her 8A is 126 tons via Alastor which she is way weaker than, which changes nothing cuz projection sorcery stacking exists
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Carmilla was using an angelic weapon (The thing that lets Sinners harm Angels) against Vaggie, plus the whole thing was more a matter of skill.
The Lute and Vaggie fight really wasn't close either
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why do Angelic Weapons give Hazbin Hotel characters a buff anyways?

Angelic Weapons are considered Regeneration Negation, not just a straight damage boost. No one in Hazbin Hotel can kill ANYONE (besides hellborn) without angelic weaponry, as even sinners have regeneration potent enough to survive literally anything non-angels throw at them

I highly doubt Carmilla was beating Vaggie only because of her Angelic Weaponry

not to mention, Lute vs Vaggie was still way closer than Carmilla vs Vaggie, as Vaggie could at least land a few hits and cause damage despite being overwhelmed, while Carmilla was forcing her to eat dirt every other second and avoiding all damage
 
Mickey1940 said:
why do Angelic Weapons give Hazbin Hotel characters a buff anyways?

Angelic Weapons are considered Regeneration Negation, not just a straight damage boost. No one in Hazbin Hotel can kill ANYONE (besides hellborn) without angelic weaponry, as even sinners have regeneration potent enough to survive literally anything non-angels throw at them
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It's also just really strong steel. That's why it lets a 8-B stab right through a 7-C.
Exorcists don't even have regen (As seen by Lute losing her arm and needing a prosthetic later) so why do you think Sinners can only hurt them with Angelic Weapons?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It's also just really strong steel. That's why it lets a 8-B stab right through a 7-C.
Exorcists don't even have regen (As seen by Lute losing her arm and needing a prosthetic later) so why do you think Sinners can only hurt them with Angelic Weapons?
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Alastor uppercuts Adam in the face and slams him against the wall, and the fact that Lute can rip her own arm off without resorting to Angelic weapons OR Angelic magic puts doubt on whether or not Angels can just NLF facetank anything. Heck, Vaggie and Lute can both harm each other by slamming each other through walls despite not using their weapons and not having magic

heck Lute doesn't even scale to anyone other than Vaggie, who got massively blitzed and outskilled by a Carmilla who was barely trying


Even if we assume Lute scaled to Alastor's peak (126.694 tons), she still loses since Projection Sorcery statues people on par with you, and Naoya can stack it several times over. Being 3 times weaker still means you can injure your opponent, and Naoya can hit her dozens of times before she can even react.
 
Mickey1940 said:
Alastor uppercuts Adam in the face and slams him against the wall
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Alastor's going to scale to him, yes.
Keep in mind, Alastor is the strongest Sinner and even after his power source broke in S2 he was still the strongest Sinner. It took Vox getting the approval of ALL of Hell (Vox is empowered based on his Approval rating) to become just slightly stronger than said weakened Alastor.

The Alastor that harmed Adam scales to no one.
Mickey1940 said:
and the fact that Lute can rip her own arm off without resorting to Angelic weapons OR Angelic magic puts doubt on whether or not Angels can just NLF facetank anything. Heck, Vaggie and Lute can both harm each other by slamming each other through walls despite not using their weapons and not having magic
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Because they also scale to each other? They're both Exorcists, they're both invincible to regular Overlords?
This just proves that Exorcists aren't stone walls.
Mickey1940 said:
heck Lute doesn't even scale to anyone other than Vaggie, who got massively blitzed and outskilled by a Carmilla who was barely trying
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Vaggie's a former Exorcist.
  • Charlie refers to the Angels as "an invincible Exorcist army".
  • Alastor says "they're not as indestructable as they appear".
  • Carmilla explains that Vaggie fights like someone unafraid of harm, just like all Exorcists.
Also obviously she got outskilled, they verbatim say Exorcists don't even try to defend themselves cause they're always fighting against people who can't harm them.
Mickey1940 said:
Even if we assume Lute scaled to Alastor's peak (126.694 tons), she still loses since Projection Sorcery statues people on par with you, and Naoya can stack it several times over. Being 3 times weaker still means you can injure your opponent, and Naoya can hit her dozens of times before she can even react.
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The S2 CRT (That's coming out today) is either dropping Lute to 9-A or putting her at 5-B
Even rn it's accepted that the 8-B Lute scales to is an outlier, the profiles just haven't been changed lol
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
The S2 CRT (That's coming out today) is either dropping Lute to 9-A or putting her at 5-B
Even rn it's accepted that the 8-B Lute scales to is an outlier, the profiles just haven't been changed lol
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jesus christ

ok that explains a lot

should we put a hold on this match until her profile is updated?
 
Harry_Ackerman_6969 said:
how Lute could deal against someone who's just outright faster than her considering she went toe to toe with someone that's comparable to her in speed
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Lute stomped Vaggie in their second fight.



Eden is right, Lute is a no sell above her value. No angelic amped bomb killing them is not an antifeat lol tf? Yes the debris IS and thats why she doesnt have actual Invulnerability duh.

I can defend Lute if anyone wants to debate this, because ngl Naoya is kinda ass at fighting and really cocky as he lost to people who are far slower than him meanwhile Lute stomped Vaggie who had a whole training arc SPECIFICALLY to defeat her. Does he have any good skill feats I might have forgot?
 
ShionAH said:
Lute stomped Vaggie in their second fight.



Eden is right, Lute is a no sell above her value. No angelic amped bomb killing them is not an antifeat lol tf? Yes the debris IS and thats why she doesnt have actual Invulnerability duh.

I can defend Lute if anyone wants to debate this, because ngl Naoya is kinda ass at fighting and really cocky as he lost to people who are far slower than him meanwhile Lute stomped Vaggie who had a whole training arc SPECIFICALLY to defeat her. Does he have any good skill feats I might have forgot?
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I haven’t watch S2 yet but watching the clip, it feels like it’s more like Lute is just slightly stronger than Vaggie since looking at the background during Abel’s verse (or lines) they’re both going toe to toe with Lute in the upper hand, so I don’t think that’s considered a stomp.


Is Lute as strong or even remotely close to strength to like the overlords? I’ve read both Mickeys and Edens messages but I’m not getting any like consensus whether Lute scales to them or not since she’s an exorcist and has the whole holy weapon regen null thing.
 
ShionAH said:
I can defend Lute if anyone wants to debate this, because ngl Naoya is kinda ass at fighting and really cocky as he lost to people who are far slower than him meanwhile Lute stomped Vaggie who had a whole training arc SPECIFICALLY to defeat her. Does he have any good skill feats I might have forgot?
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Naoya lost to Choso because Choso was able to not only match his speed with Flowing Red Scales: Stack, but also cover Naoya and the literal entire train station they were fighting in with blood in an omnidirectional attack, and also caught him off guard by using Supernova against Naoya by using projectiles that exploded AFTER Naoya already dodged them. Said blood is also poisonous and incap'd Naoya on contact as well.

Lute can't do any of these things. She has a sword and that's it. She can't stat amp herself to match his speed meaning she literally just can't do anything. She'd do as well as Base Choso did (which is that she just got stomped into the ground).
 
Mickey1940 said:
Naoya lost to Choso because Choso was able to not only match his speed with Flowing Red Scales: Stack, but also cover Naoya and the literal entire train station they were fighting in with blood in an omnidirectional attack, and also caught him off guard by using Supernova against Naoya by using projectiles that exploded AFTER Naoya already dodged them. Said blood is also poisonous and incap'd Naoya on contact as well.

Lute can't do any of these things. She has a sword and that's it. She can't stat amp herself to match his speed meaning she literally just can't do anything. She'd do as well as Base Choso did (which is that she just got stomped into the ground).
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Yeah, As much as it is fun to slander Naoya, we gotta remember he fought freaking tanks when he was alive. He knew Jack shit about Choso being a womb painting and thought he was a normal blood user. While I can't say much about his fight with maki, you gotta be honest he was putting belt to ass despite doing zero damage. If Maki didn't have her heavenly restriction she would've been cooked
 
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