Gojo Vs Woody

[Bobsican]

He almost always starts with his technique. Especially since SBA assumes both character's know the other actually poses a threat to one another and that losing poses dire consequences.

Not quite, they only know that there's dire consequences if they lose, not that they're on a even matchup, as stated in the SBA page.

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So how does woody making his opponents disappear work? Is it just this thing that relies on the opponents condition or does it need a set amount of hits?

If it's the former then I don't think Woody can deny any attempts at RCT

 

[Bobsican]

So how does woody making his opponents disappear work? Is it just this thing that relies on the opponents condition or does it need a set amount of hits?

If it's the former then I don't think Woody can deny any attempts at RCT

Damage induced by AP (or in plain terms, it's not hax). The sheer AP gap means that Woody one shots if he does land a hit. As discussed previously, AoE concerns don't hold up that well as against larger or more distant targets he uses the lasso attached to his back.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Damage induced by AP (or in plain terms, it's not hax). The sheer AP gap means that Woody one shots if he does land a hit.

I'm a bit confused on this. By damage induced by AP are you referring to him needing a set amount of damage to pull it off?

I agree the ap gap is massive n all but to actually one shot woody needs to k.o or outright kill gojo and if he just donuts him or something then gojo can just endure that

As discussed previously, AoE concerns don't hold up that well as against larger or more distant targets he uses the lasso attached to his back.

Sorry if this was already answered but how big is the lasso? And how does woody use it to attack?

 

[Lort15]

Incon FRA

 

[Bobsican]

I'm a bit confused on this. By damage induced by AP are you referring to him needing a set amount of damage to pull it off?

Yeah, it'd depend on the condition of the opponent.

I agree the ap gap is massive n all but to actually one shot woody needs to k.o or outright kill gojo and if he just donuts him or something then gojo can just endure that

Then what? From what I recall he can't do RCT and retain offensive pressure at the same time, and stalling out by flying wouldn't work as Woody can follow by flying as well.

Sorry if this was already answered but how big is the lasso? And how does woody use it to attack?

Given that it's clearly multiple times larger than his body, about a meter would be fair to claim, and he attacks by tossing it like a whip, but with the AP gap I could see a bisection happening, especially as it does also come with the effect of stunning by 10 seconds.

 

[Iiliminal]

woody one taps with agarthapotence yakub training

 

[Baken384]

Spider-Man a better matchup than ts

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yeah, it'd depend on the condition of the opponent.

So in other words he needs to inflict fatal injuries for that the happen then correct? (Edit: Nvm I get what ur saying this would actually limit RCT)

Then what? From what I recall he can't do RCT and retain offensive pressure at the same time,

He actually can, he did this against sukuna

The only reason he stoped was because he can't do it while also spamming domain but simply just spamming it while using normal attacks is doable

and stalling out by flying wouldn't work as Woody can follow by flying as well.

Gojo can both fly and teleport, does Woody have an answer for that?

Given that it's clearly multiple times larger than his body, about a meter would be fair to claim, and he attacks by tossing it like a whip, but with the AP gap I could see a bisection happening...

The issue with this is that bisection in this mannor is mainly an LS thing that relies on literally overwhelming your opponent with a sudden pull

Woody can't really do that to a class G

 

[Lort15]

Spider-Man a better matchup than ts

Blud only has 3 words capacity
-LS
-Class G Plat
-Spider-Man

 

[Delusionaltx2]

From what it looks like I guess he question is if Woody can land a direct hit

Inf speed would allow him to bypass the domain but how would he keep up with gojos teleporting and blue?

 

[Bobsican]

So in other words he needs to inflict fatal injuries for that the happen then correct?

IDK, it seems like you're treating this as some ability when it's not as far I'm aware, ultimately the sheer overwhelm by AP causing Gojo to be splattered is evident as that's how severe damage is treated in KH, especially as one shots are showcased to reduce the target to small bits as covered here.

He actually can, he did this against sukuna

The only reason he stoped was because he can't do it while also spamming domain but simply just spamming it while using normal attacks is doable

That wouldn't do him any favors as that'd require being up close to Woody, thus inviting further damage (if he even somehow survives the first hit, which would be a reach given the stat gap...).

Gojo can both fly and teleport, does Woody have an answer for that?

Inf speed would allow him to bypass the domain but how would he keep up with gojos teleporting and blue?

As said before Woody can fly as well, but for the teleportation, not as much, however, I'd have to question on how much it's usable as the scans on the profile seem to lean on it not being something too combat applicable. Blue is a LS check and thus can't be circumvented if it lands, but at the same time Gojo doesn't keep it indefinitely normally, so he'd have to notice that Woody remains unharmed first before resorting to an incap by keeping it for longer and trying to hit him again.

The issue with this is that bisection in this mannor is mainly an LS thing that relies on literally overwhelming your opponent with a sudden pull

Woody can't really do that to a class G

Oh, I don't think it's large enough to wrap around like that, I meant more so like by wiping the lasso then leaning the rope sideways, thus AP.

From what it looks like I guess he question is if Woody can land a direct hit

As Gojo in-character would do a ton of stuff before resorting to incapping with Blue or similar, there's a wide timeframe for Woody to land a hit, which is what it'd take for Woody to win as discussed so far, especially as there's a fair chance for Gojo to understimate him.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

IDK, it seems like you're treating this as some ability when it's not as far I'm aware, ultimately the sheer overwhelm by AP causing Gojo to be splattered is evident as that's how severe damage is treated in KH, especially as one shots are showcased to reduce the target to small bits as covered here.

What I'm taking this as is

Woody hits gojo in a way that would be normally considered fatal to an average human (either by donutting him, or something else) -> gojo fades away

That wouldn't do him any favors as that'd require being up close to Woody, thus inviting further damage (if he even somehow survives the first hit, which would be a reach given the stat gap...).

I was going to make an argument for skill but being honest gojo probably would just get hit maybe by attempting to block a punch or something similar to that.

As said before Woody can fly as well, but for the teleportation, not as much, however, I'd have to question on how much it's usable as the scans on the profile seem to lean on it not being something too combat applicable.

He claps his hands and teleports to whereever he wants iirc

Blue is a LS check and thus can't be circumvented if it lands, but at the same time Gojo doesn't keep it indefinitely normally, so he'd have to notice that Woody remains unharmed first before resorting to an incap by keeping it for longer and trying to hit him again.

Actually gojo normally enhances himself with blue for physical attacks so I imagine the attacks would probably disorient woody

Oh, I don't think it's large enough to wrap around like that, I meant more so like by wiping the lasso then leaning the rope sideways, thus AP.

Ah so just whipping him then? Giving him the simon Belmont treatment probably would be a wincon

As Gojo in-character would do a ton of stuff before resorting to incapping with Blue or similar, there's a wide timeframe for Woody to land a hit, which is what it'd take for Woody to win as discussed so far, especially as there's a fair chance for Gojo to understimate him.

Yeah that's a very good point as well

Think I'll go with the toy agenda here FRA

 

[LaserPrecision]

As Gojo in-character would do a ton of stuff before resorting to incapping with Blue or similar, there's a wide timeframe for Woody to land a hit, which is what it'd take for Woody to win as discussed so far, especially as there's a fair chance for Gojo to understimate him.

I don't think so if his attacks are literally doing nothing to Woody at all. If Blue does nothing, and then domain does nothing, I'm pretty sure he's not going to just keep using them and immediately go for incap. He's a genius, not a moron.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Pov woody decides to use his rope to hit gojo:

 

[Bobsican]

I don't think so if his attacks are literally doing nothing to Woody at all. If Blue does nothing, and then domain does nothing, I'm pretty sure he's not going to just keep using them and immediately go for incap. He's a genius, not a moron.

He tends to get up close to punch and kick, so that's also a fair opportunity for Woody to attack as he'd be placing himself vulnerable, especially if done early on as then he wouldn't be aware of the stat gap, let alone him ignoring Infinity not being something that can be easily determined safely. Sure, Gojo can do his wincon, which is why it's not an stomp and in fact is a fair argument, but Woody does have a fair timeframe to attack before Gojo resorts to that.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

I just had a thought, might be a dumb/incorrect one but
Can't people lose consciousness from a amount of sheer pain that they can't physically handle?
So like... even if Gojo could regen from Woody's hits... I'd imagine that the sheer force behind them being so far above Gojo's dura would induce a ludicrous amount of pain. Imagine getting hit with a Pebble with enough force to decimate a Universe- Except that's weaker than what Woody's packing.
Maybe a ridiculous example, but still. The gap is asinine.

Regardless of that musing, I'm voting Woody. If Gojo CQC's, he loses. If Gojo uses infinity and Woody catches him, he loses. If Gojo does something that doesn't seem to be a common in-character move and would likely only happen if he's avoided getting hit even once in a prolonged fight then he wins. Woody just sounds more likely to pull off a win. Gojo can win, but it just seems to be less likely to happen as opposed to Woody winning.

 

[BoastJr]

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Lemme make this simple for everyone

Gojo has mixed his moveset depending on who he fights. I will only count Notable fights here

Gojo has opened with Punches and Kicks vs Jogo, Jogo and Hanami, Miguel

Teen Gojo has used Blue against Toji to get some distance (after being impaled and realizing Toji is a threat) and has opened with Red and Purple in their rematch (But this could be Gojo testing his powers as he did not need Purple to win here)

Teen Gojo also has used Blue against the Cloning Curse User as his First Move

Gojo has used Purple against 20F Sukuna before following with punch and kicks

So from the following we know that Gojo will use Blue to get distance incase infinity fails but he does tend to lead with CQC rather then his CTs which seems to be relegated to fights where he knows his opponents are more dangerous

Gojo using his CT as his first move isn't entirely ooc (This is what Teen Gojo did vs the Clone User) but yes there is a real chance that Woody kills him in their first CQC

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

Woody FRA

 

[Mickey1940]

I just had a thought, might be a dumb/incorrect one but
Can't people lose consciousness from a amount of sheer pain that they can't physically handle?
So like... even if Gojo could regen from Woody's hits... I'd imagine that the sheer force behind them being so far above Gojo's dura would induce a ludicrous amount of pain. Imagine getting hit with a Pebble with enough force to decimate a Universe- Except that's weaker than what Woody's packing.
Maybe a ridiculous example, but still. The gap is asinine.

Supernatural willpower unfortunately makes this moot

 

[Bobsican]

TBH I'm changing my vote from inconclusive to Woody for the record, for the reasons discussed previously in favor of Woody.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Incon.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Supernatural willpower unfortunately makes this moot

Hmmm... Yeah, I suppose it does. It kinda seems like a NLF for Supernatural Willpower to allow a Town Level to tank Low Complex Multiversal attacks, but I don't see any clarification on that sort of thing on the page, so I suppose Gojo just ignores the pain somewhat.

 

[BoastJr]

Hmmm... Yeah, I suppose it does. It kinda seems like a NLF for Supernatural Willpower to allow a Town Level to tank Low Complex Multiversal attacks, but I don't see any clarification on that sort of thing on the page, so I suppose Gojo just ignores the pain somewhat.

Gojo has tanked millions of cuts from Sukuna while in his Domain. I don't think punching harder = more pain necessarily but a Million cuts from a Domain sounds more painful since its ripping into more surface area more of your body

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Gojo has tanked millions of cuts from Sukuna while in his Domain. I don't think punching harder = more pain necessarily but a Million cuts from a Domain sounds more painful since its ripping into more surface area more of your body

I would imagine the harder someone punches actually does equate to more pain, at least in relation to the other persons Durability. You can observe this in the real world, even test it on yourself, the more force you put behind punching yourself, the more you will hurt yourself. Likewise, getting hit by a Professional Boxer hurts far more on average than getting hit by someone who never exercises, as one can output more force than the other.

I do think that getting a million cuts from someone who is presumably comparable to you would hurt (I don't watch JJK so correct me if I'm wrong on if they're comparable), but comparing it to getting hit by woody feels like comparing several punches all over the place from a toddler, to a gut punch from Mike Tyson, if that makes any sense. Sure, one is hurting you in more places, but the pain induced by the other is both focused and, at least I believe, logically should be far more painful.

 

[Bobsican]

TBH the whole pain argument is unecessary as Woody whipping Gojo comes with a stun inducement as previously discussed.

 

[BoastJr]

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You are correct that hitting harder = more pain

But its only upto a certain limit. For example, Beerus killing a Normal Human and Saitama killing a Normal Human with a punch has no real difference because both are massively stronger

Beerus cannot kill a Normal Person or Induce Pain more then what Saitama can with just sheer AP alone

Gojo also would have died here if he did not have any form of Regen as the Cuts are tearing into his skin and making him bleed all over so his pain resistance is far better then whats credited

 

[BoastJr]

Also I would like to switch to Woody seeing as how this thread has progressed

I did think Gojo would have a good chance with Blue + LS Trapping but right now I don't think its as solid as I thought it was, especially since Woody has ranged option and Blue + LS Trapping is quite unorthodox

Gojo isn't stomped here and could win if he uses Blue or Red first and realises Woody cannot be damaged at all however I don't think an unorthodox way of winning is really that solid if its requires certain variables to be fulfilled

I can see 3 scenarios as of now

1. Gojo -> Punch / Kick = Lose

2. Gojo -> Red / Blue -> Hollow Purple / unlimited Void = Lose

3. Gojo -> Red / Blue -> Trapping with Blue = Win

Well if Gojo only had prior knowledge he can pull out scenario 3 more consistenly but thats about it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Woody FRA

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

You are correct that hitting harder = more pain

But its only upto a certain limit. For example, Beerus killing a Normal Human and Saitama killing a Normal Human with a punch has no real difference because both are massively stronger

Beerus cannot kill a Normal Person or Induce Pain more then what Saitama can with just sheer AP alone

Even if there was some upper limit, which the more I think about it you are probably right on (The human brain and the nerve system would probably be unable to register something beyond a certain threshold), I would still imagine that limit to be far significantly higher than what Gojo experienced. Not to discredit Gojo, but it just seems like a single, destructive blow far beyond one's ability to endure would be more excruciating than million's of cuts on a level far closer to what that person can endure (even if as you said in that moment it was still a bit too much for Gojo, which is a commendable thing to survive even with regen), though comparing these types of pain can't be too simple, I suppose.

Bob isn't wrong either about the pain discussion being redundant, but I found it interesting at least. But yeah, Gojo can ignore with Supernatural Willpower as is, and Woody can stun via his lasso technique's, so I suppose it's moot.

That's 8 votes for Woody, yeah?

 

[Mbpoops]

can gojo even hurt woody...

 

[BoastJr]

That's 8 votes for Woody, yeah?

Woody winning against Gojo after going Mid Diff with him and taking 3 pages to conclude was not on my bingo card but here we are

can gojo even hurt woody...

A little late to the party I see but No, his main argument is trapping or knocking him around with LS to incap him since Gojo has Class G lifting strength but doesn't really use it as opposed to Punch / Kicks or Red / Blue

He could definitely win if he just had prior knowledge here since abusing LS and figuring out he can Trap with Blue for a few days is something he Figure out since he did something similar against Agito albeit for a brief while

 

[Bobsican]

Even if there was some upper limit, which the more I think about it you are probably right on (The human brain and the nerve system would probably be unable to register something beyond a certain threshold), I would still imagine that limit to be far significantly higher than what Gojo experienced. Not to discredit Gojo, but it just seems like a single, destructive blow far beyond one's ability to endure would be more excruciating than million's of cuts on a level far closer to what that person can endure (even if as you said in that moment it was still a bit too much for Gojo, which is a commendable thing to survive even with regen), though comparing these types of pain can't be too simple, I suppose.

Bob isn't wrong either about the pain discussion being redundant, but I found it interesting at least. But yeah, Gojo can ignore with Supernatural Willpower as is, and Woody can stun via his lasso technique's, so I suppose it's moot.

That's 8 votes for Woody, yeah?

7 votes unless I missed any that relies on current arguments, it's still grace period now in any case.

 

[Mickey1940]

Hmmm... Yeah, I suppose it does. It kinda seems like a NLF for Supernatural Willpower to allow a Town Level to tank Low Complex Multiversal attacks, but I don't see any clarification on that sort of thing on the page, so I suppose Gojo just ignores the pain somewhat.

i mean, pain is pain. Gojo was able to learn RCT while actively on death's door and having multiple parts of his body punctured

Woody might be magnitudes of infinity above him but if he punches Gojo in the arm and rips it off, it's still just as painful as getting your arm ripped off, which Gojo can handle

although it's more likely Woody goes for the stomach or head

 

[Mbpoops]

He could definitely win if he just had prior knowledge here since abusing LS and figuring out he can Trap with Blue for a few days is something he could do

ts is genuienly frying me bro **** mydei vs kratos we need woody vs nanook

 

[Bobsican]

ts is genuienly frying me bro **** mydei vs kratos we need woody vs nanook

I'm afraid that's not going to work...

 

[Catbowtie]

Why is Gojo losing to Woody bro...

 

[BoastJr]

7 votes unless I missed any that relies on current arguments, it's still grace period now in any case.

I think he meant Baken's vote here since liminal is joking abit with the Yakub + Agartha bit (Funny meme tho)

 

[Bobsican]

Why is Gojo losing to Woody bro...

Gojo's wincon is more gimmicky, and while he can determine it eventually (namely tying him up with Blue to incap), the odds overall favor Woody as Gojo is more likely to give him an opening that Woody can exploit, especially as he can't easily determine safely (nor expect) the act of ignoring Infinity or the stat gap, which enables Woody to one shot Gojo if he manages to get close to do so.

I think he meant Baken's vote here since liminal is joking abit with the Yakub + Agartha bit (Funny meme tho)

Oh, that's more so just a statement than confirming a vote, and it's not even correct AFAIK as Woody's bypassing it out of having Infinite speed (Speed being equalized still comes with the semantic of abilities granted by it still remaining, in this case bypassing Infinity), so I'd prefer if Baken clarified on who he's voting for.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Changing my vote to woody
FRA