Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Yeah so..
Skirk's Training = Pre-Natlan
We might have to do something to the Traveler's key.

 

[TrueBK98]

Different context. Priestess Ehrnrooth were talking about the Verdant Crest tree that is not supposed to be featured.

You can even know how the prayers were backward after:
"May you protect the four imprisoned moons"
This is somehow implies that Aila was also know about the imprisonment of the Moon Goddesses, even including Columbina.

Oh yeah, that's interesting. But how did it related to Aila again? I can't remember.

 

[TrueBK98]

So what is the point you're trying to make? The moon goddess is stronger than the heavenly principle? Or what?

Brother, I already said that I'm fine with Moon Goddesses = The Sovereigns. Only Heretic Dottore and Trilune Colum is Shades-level.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Countermeasures, an action taken to counteract a danger or threat.
Counteract, act against (something) in order to reduce its force or neutralize it.

The convo was literally about why they didn’t stop Phanes and it was already too late when they decided to.

Them thinking they could've done something about it doesn't mean they actually could've.

The 3 together logically were weaker than Base Nibelung and even Nibelug amped an unknown amount by the Abyss wasn't able to defeated the HP, what exactly were they hoping to do in the first place?

 

[MSahla]

Oh yeah, that's interesting. But how did it related to Aila again? I can't remember.

Hymns of the Far North were abolished by the decree of Aila, and later some of them were simplified by Priestess Ernhrooth.

 

[TrueBK98]

Them thinking they could've done something about it doesn't mean they actually could've.

The 3 together logically were weaker than Base Nibelung and even Nibelug amped an unknown amount by the Abyss wasn't able to defeated the HP, what exactly were they hoping to do in the first place?

They implying that things might have been better. MIGHT HAVE.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Yeah so..
Skirk's Training = Pre-Natlan
We might have to do something to the Traveler's key.

Those in-game timeline are innacurate by what i've seen so i wouldn't take it too seriously, apparently it also says Paralogism is Pre-Fountaine (which is impossible since Simulanka happens after Fountaine due to Navia being part of it).

 

[TrueBK98]

Those in-game timeline are innacurate by what i've seen, apparently it also says Paralogism is Pre-Fountaine (which is impossible since Simulanka happens after Fountaine due to Navia being part of it)

Apologems, I smelled.

 

[MSahla]

Only Heretic Dottore and Trilune Colum is Shades-level.

Nor do they are Shades level, theres literally nothing that can prove Trilune Goddess are in the same level of Shades.

The Shades have transceded their own boundaries as the embodiment, rulers, and arbiters of the eternal laws, while the Moons still have their boundaries.

Theres a lot of things that the power of the Trilune cannot do but the Shades can, such as reviving the dead. Sonnet later don't believe that those who've died can be revived.

 

[Voidnether]

Nor do they are Shades level, theres literally nothing that can prove Trilune Goddess are in the same level of Shades.

The Shades have transceded their own boundaries as the embodiment, rulers, and arbiters of the eternal laws, while the Moons still have their boundaries.

Theres a lot of things that the power of the Trilune cannot do but the Shades can, such as reviving the dead. Sonnet later don't believe that those who've died can be revived.

You do know the entire Shades transcending their own boundaries stuff comes from Dottore right? I mean, it wouldn't make sense for you to agree with him on this manner but disagree with the OST when Dottore kept saying he transcended the Shades, et cetera

It's either you don't take Dottore's word at face value, or you agree with all of his word, picking one over the latter is a bias

 

[TrueBK98]

Nor do they are Shades level, theres literally nothing that can prove Trilune Goddess are in the same level of Shades.

The Shades have transceded their own boundaries as the embodiment, rulers, and arbiters of the eternal laws, while the Moons still have their boundaries.

Theres a lot of things that the power of the Trilune cannot do but the Shades can, such as reviving the dead. Sonnet later don't believe that those who've died can be revived.

These quotes:

The Doctor: I have ascended to the highest heights and laid claim to unprecedented horizons, and you were no ordinary person to begin with.

The Doctor: How does it feel to be among those with absolute power?

He was trying to complete his grand experiment of world-creation then replaced Phanes himself.

Reviled far and wide as a heretic, The Doctor — Second of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers — has seized the authority of the three moons and now ascends the long steps toward the divine throne of the "new world."

 

[Voidnether]

Sahl is literally the same person who said Time isn't the fourth dimension even if we know this was literally the case with Dottore saying this in 3.2 and 6.3, heck even Ei confirmed "Time" with Istaroth herself as an additional dimension lol back in her Part 2 Story Quest

Not that it would mean anything since if anything, Phanes and Nibelung would just be 3-A

 

[Tsubasa16]

Those in-game timeline are innacurate by what i've seen so i wouldn't take it too seriously, apparently it also says Paralogism is Pre-Fountaine (which is impossible since Simulanka happens after Fountaine due to Navia being part of it).

Also another inconsistence with Skirk's quest being put Pre-Natlan is that the Traveler only started using their Abyss purification powers with frequency during Natlan to the point Paimon says that she almost forgot we could do that since it's the last time she remembers the Traveler do it was to purify Dvalin's tear in Mondstadt. Yet we use and talk about those powers during Skirk's quest as if we've been using it for a while by that point so it logically cannot take place pre-Natlan.

 

[MSahla]

You do know the entire Shades transcending their own boundaries stuff comes from Dottore right? I mean, it wouldn't make sense for you to agree with him on this manner but disagree with the OST when Dottore kept saying he transcended the Shades, et cetera

Because those things are common sense for those who aware enough about the Four Great Rulers of Heavenly Principles. And you literally have Istaroth who already stated not bound by the Linear of Time and Causality, so Dottore's statement even more confirming that the Shades have transcended their own boundaries.

And you, genuinely believe that he can be like the Shades and EVEN Heavenly Principles and transcend fate through the Three Moons Power that is straight up fodder compared to the Heavenly Principles? Do you think he's the only one that is trying to do that? No, you have Rene de Petrichor, Boethius and Remus who literally did the same thing and none of them were succeed, because as Cassiodor said, it was futile. If it were that easy they would've already achieved that thousands of years ago.

The lyrics are completely bullshit and full of self-proclaims, and i feel so sad for you if you believe it because you're downplaying the Shades so bad.

 

[MSahla]

Sahl is literally the same person who said Time isn't the fourth dimension even if we know this was literally the case with Dottore saying this in 3.2 and 6.3, heck even Ei confirmed "Time" with Istaroth herself as an additional dimension lol back in her Part 2 Story Quest

When did i even said Time isn't the fourth dimension?

Not that it would mean anything since if anything, Phanes and Nibelung would just be 3-A

3-A is for Finite 3-D while you have the False Sky that is stated to be Infinite Space with Infinite Stars, that alone is High 3-A. And then when you add Istaroth it becomes Low 2-C, Lol.

 

[Voidnether]

Because those things are common sense for those who aware enough about the Four Great Rulers of Heavenly Principles. And you literally have Istaroth who already stated not bound by the Linear of Time and Causality, so Dottore's statement even more confirming that the Shades have transcended their own boundaries.

And you, genuinely believe that he can be like the Shades and EVEN Heavenly Principles and transcend fate through the Three Moons Power that is straight up fodder compared to the Heavenly Principles? Do you think he's the only one that is trying to do that? No, you have Rene de Petrichor, Boethius and Remus who literally did the same thing and none of them were succeed, because as Cassiodor said, it was futile. If it were that easy they would've already achieved that thousands of years ago.

The lyrics are completely bullshit and full of self-proclaims, and i feel so sad for you if you believe it because you're downplaying the Shades so bad.

??? You literally only take Dottore's words as "truth" when he glazes the Shades, look at yourself bro, you discard EVERYTHING he said in relations like do you even hear yourself rn?

When did i even said Time isn't the fourth dimension?


3-A is for Finite 3-D while you have the False Sky that is stated to be Infinite Space with Infinite Stars, that alone is High 3-A. And then when you add Istaroth it becomes Low 2-C, Lol.

Your debate with @PedjaTarzan, Rene is the same person who said Vision is harmful to Vision Holders, Low 2-C when 14 billion years (finite amount of time)

 

[Voidnether]

Who even is downplaying the Shades, like Heretical Dottore was the same person who negative-diffed all of us before Columbina shows up with Tri-Lunar Authority, same authority that broke the False Sky lmao = Shades level, the same way Mavuika tore the False Sky using Ronova's power

 

[MSahla]

??? You literally only take Dottore's words as "truth" when he glazes the Shades, look at yourself bro, you discard EVERYTHING he said in relations like do you even hear yourself rn?

He's not glazing the Shades, thats just the truth and common sense. You must differentiate when he's glazing when he's not.
He was trying to trying to give more info about the Four Shades to the Traveler.

And then when he become the God, he even become more arrogant and thinks he can do everything. And then he glaze himself.

Low 2-C when 14 billion years (finite amount of time)

???????????????
So Low 2-C must be Infinite Years Old? Lmao, How funny you are. The space is already infinite and then when you add Time (Istaroth), it becomes Low 2-C. That's just simple.

 

[MSahla]

Who even is downplaying the Shades, like Heretical Dottore was the same person who negative-diffed all of us before Columbina shows up with Tri-Lunar Authority, same authority that broke the False Sky lmao = Shades level, the same way Mavuika tore the False Sky using Ronova's power

"Broke the false sky = shades level"

Buddy, anyone who is strong enough with non-physical attack can break through the false sky. Dottore was just simply can do that because he got a fcking power of Space. Shit, even Skirk can do that.

 

[Furina003]

Brother, I already said that I'm fine with Moon Goddesses = The Sovereigns. Only Heretic Dottore and Trilune Colum is Shades-level.

sorry i didn't read that, but i don't agree that dotore and columbina are equal to shades, columbina can't even escape from irminsul and neither can dotore, and can't revive sandrone with the authority of her 3 moon goddesses, where reviving or creating life, giving death, or creating immortality is an easy thing for the shades, because they not only have power over those things, but have also surpassed those limitations.

In my opinion, Trilune Goddess is only 1 level below Shades and one level above Sovereign.

 

[Furina003]

Your debate with @PedjaTarzan, Rene is the same person who said Vision is harmful to Vision Holders, Low 2-C when 14 billion years (finite amount of time)

it's not finite time, it's just the age of the universe, bro, we live in a universe with the same age, so you assume our time in the real world is not an uncountable infinite snapshot, I'm pretty sure you understand what a snapshot of space is??
As long as it's proven that the world has a past, future and present, it means there is an uncountable infinite snapshot, because that's what is called the spacetime continuum

 

[TrueBK98]

sorry i didn't read that, but i don't agree that dotore and columbina are equal to shades, columbina can't even escape from irminsul and neither can dotore, and can't revive sandrone with the authority of her 3 moon goddesses, where reviving or creating life, giving death, or creating immortality is an easy thing for the shades, because they not only have power over those things, but have also surpassed those limitations.

In my opinion, Trilune Goddess is only 1 level below Shades and one level above Sovereign.

It's simply not part of the Authority. The Shades were created to help remaking the world anew. While, the Goddesses were created to maintain an already established world.

 

[Furina003]

It's simply not part of the Authority. The Shades were created to help remaking the world anew. While, the Goddesses were created to maintain an already established world.

They only maintain the world, but boundaries such as life and death did not exist when the 3 moons ruled.


Or it could be said that the laws of the 3 moon goddesses were completely different from the laws of Phanes, therefore the "order" that Phanes meant was something that never existed and was never taught to them by the Nibelung.

Aria: No. There was an order to the rules they set up that Nibelung never taught us.
Aria: We wanted to know if this order would bode good or ill for Teyvat.

 

[TrueBK98]

I hope we get some hints about K.K soon. It has been far too long.

 

[MSahla]

I hope we get some hints about K.K soon. It has been far too long.

Back in 2019, Cai Houyu (CEO Mihoyo) said that K.K = Kiana Kaslana.
But idk, it might be changed.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

KEVIN KASLANA EXPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MSahla]

So.. Theres this theory that Phanes is actually an AI from the twins. That K.K might actually the AI, and the fact that K.K quoting the twins drip marketings. And theres Paimon who also theorized to be an AI too, you can't say Paimon without AI, and the message from the devs in game is always "P•A•I•M•O•N"

 

[PedjaTarzan]

???????????????
So Low 2-C must be Infinite Years Old? Lmao, How funny you are.

not really, our universe is 14b years old. what you need to prove now is that "time in not infinite" does not refer to time in teyvat, which you cant obviously whats worse is that it just talks about time itself there. so...yeah

The space is already infinite and then when you add Time (Istaroth), it becomes Low 2-C. That's just simple.

No, in fact this is BS, rene talks about infinite space with infinite stars as a genuine hyperbole to compare how vast universe is compared to teyvat. in fact Nicole blatantly states that dottore ******* up the firmament which containes sun moon and teyvat can make teyvat be observed from the OUTSIDE universe, the actual universe beyond the firmament so in no way is all this infinite.
You either go by universe being infinite and teyvat firmament being 93 billion LY big. or go with somehow both being infinite which i dont even know it is possible but okay.

 

[MSahla]

what you need to prove now is that "time in not infinite" does not refer to time in teyvat, which you cant obviously whats worse is that it just talks about time itself there. so...yeah

None of them were talking about the universal concept of time in there, you literally got Nicole saying those things about her road in the Moon's Reflection and she can't go beyond the timeline where Teyvat was born because that's when Teyvat's timeline was started. And the fact that whenever they say time is not with capital T, which always refers to Istaroth whenever they say time with capital T.

You talk about the end of time. Yes, the world has an end, but the end of time is the moment Teyvat was born.

If you really think they referring to the literal temporal dimension, you don't know how much they have been mentioned Time is endless and infinite.

No, in fact this is BS, rene talks about infinite space with infinite stars as a genuine hyperbole to compare how vast universe is compared to teyvat.

No it wasn't a hyperbole whatsoever,
He never compare anything like you said lmao.

in fact Nicole blatantly states that dottore ******* up the firmament which containes sun moon and teyvat can make teyvat be observed from the OUTSIDE universe, the actual universe beyond the firmament so in no way is all this infinite.

This is literally irrelevant to the False Sky, like genuinely.. I don't even need to say more.

You either go by universe being infinite and teyvat firmament being 93 billion LY big. or go with somehow both being infinite which i dont even know it is possible but okay.

It already said an eggshell of Infinite Space and Infinite stars within it, not to mention it's from Rene.

 

[Furina003]

not really, our universe is 14b years old. what you need to prove now is that "time in not infinite" does not refer to time in teyvat, which you cant obviously whats worse is that it just talks about time itself there. so...yeah

Honestly, my friend, the conversations involving Nicole, Flins, and others do not prove at all that time in Teyvat is finite. Having a beginning ≠ being finite. It’s the same as our own universe, where time began when the universe was born and will end at the end of time yet that alone is not a basis to claim that time is finite. Unless you can prove that there are no spatial snapshots in Teyvat, this argument does not hold.

Time that possesses a past, present, and future already meets the L2-C standard. If you want to prove that time in Teyvat is finite, you must demonstrate that time there is stagnant meaning it has neither a past nor a future. If it does have a past and a future, that implies it is a spacetime continuum due to the existence of temporal flow, or uncountably infinite snapshots. And most importantly, what we must also examine is the extent of its space: does it meet the standards of a universe or not?

The Space-time continuum refers to the concept of physics that refers to all the time of a certain space, i.e. the past, present and future of a space . It posits that space and time are not separate and distinct entities, but rather they are interwoven and form a single fabric of reality, called spacetime. In this view, events in the universe are not just located in space, they also occur at a specific point in time.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Honestly, my friend, the conversations involving Nicole, Flins, and others do not prove at all that time in Teyvat is finite. Having a beginning ≠ being finite. It’s the same as our own universe, where time began when the universe was born and will end at the end of time yet that alone is not a basis to claim that time is finite. Unless you can prove that there are no spatial snapshots in Teyvat, this argument does not hold.

Time that possesses a past, present, and future already meets the L2-C standard. If you want to prove that time in Teyvat is finite, you must demonstrate that time there is stagnant meaning it has neither a past nor a future. If it does have a past and a future, that implies it is a spacetime continuum due to the existence of temporal flow, or uncountably infinite snapshots. And most importantly, what we must also examine is the extent of its space: does it meet the standards of a universe or not?

None of them were talking about the universal concept of time in there, you literally got Nicole saying those things about her road in the Moon's Reflection and she can't go beyond the timeline where Teyvat was born because that's when Teyvat's timeline was started. And the fact that whenever they say time is not with capital T, which always refers to Istaroth whenever they say time with capital T.

If you really think they referring to the literal temporal dimension, you don't know how much they have been mentioned Time is endless and infinite.


No it wasn't a hyperbole whatsoever,
He never compare anything like you said lmao.


This is literally irrelevant to the False Sky, like genuinely.. I don't even need to say more.


It already said an eggshell of Infinite Space and Infinite stars within it, not to mention it's from Rene.

i love how both of you fail to realise that i time in teyvat is also a temporal dimension, which is why firmament of teyvat is its own space time (finite)
and outside universe which just runs normally. if this is so hard to understand i dont think i have to debate this

 

[MSahla]

i love how both of you fail to realise that i time in teyvat is also a temporal dimension, which is why firmament of teyvat is its own space time (finite)
and outside universe which just runs normally. if this is so hard to understand i dont think i have to debate this

And i love the fact that you're being denial about the fact that the Firmament/False Sky is actually infinite and calling it Hyperbole, even if its the words coming from Rene who's one of the most influental characters in the game, rather than debunk with actual scans that says otherwise. The level of Denial of people towards this verse is just insane.

"Time in Teyvat is also a temporal dimension"
Nobody says it's not lmao, and those conversations were never refer to the universal temporal dimension whatsoever. The game have always called Time is endless and infinity.

The fact that you failed what they talking about in that moments and just take it raw is genuinely tickles me while it's so easy to understand.

 

[Furina003]

i love how both of you fail to realise that i time in teyvat is also a temporal dimension, which is why firmament of teyvat is its own space time (finite)
and outside universe which just runs normally. if this is so hard to understand i dont think i have to debate this

Bro, suppose time only applies within a single city. That time would still be unbounded as long as it has a continuous temporal flow, meaning it possesses a past, present, and future, which mathematically implies the existence of uncountably infinite snapshots. The fact that its scope is limited to one city does not make the time itself finite.

The reason such a system fails to meet the L2-C standard is not because the time is limited, but because the spatial scale does not meet the required criteria. L2-C requires a universe-scale spacetime structure. If the space encompassed is only city-sized, then even if the time dimension is continuous and unbounded, the system as a whole still fails to qualify, because the spatial dimensions are too small.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

And i love the fact that you're being denial about the fact that the Firmament/False Sky is actually infinite and calling it Hyperbole, even if its the words coming from Rene who's one of the most influental characters in the game, rather than debunk with actual scans that says otherwise. The level of Denial of people towards this verse is just insane.

just because hes most reliable doesnt mean he cant be hyperbolic, theres literally 0 instance we know the space is infintie with infinite stars when we know it can be observed from outside the firmament if it gets ****** up

"Time in Teyvat is also a temporal dimension"
Nobody says it's not lmao

you did

, and those conversations were never refer to the universal temporal dimension whatsoever. The game have always called Time is endless and infinity.

Then its not endless and infinite anymore, the fact flins and nicole outright say that is a contradiction on a major level. and idk why would they

The fact that you failed what they talking about in that moments and just take it raw is genuinely tickles me while it's so easy to understand.

you did lol

 

[MSahla]

just because hes most reliable doesnt mean he cant be hyperbolic, theres literally 0 instance we know the space is infintie with infinite stars when we know it can be observed from outside the firmament if it gets ****** up

Oh, that's just your problem who simply doesn't want to believe it, Lmao.
It can be observed from outside is literally irrelevant.

Rene being randomly hyperbole? Yeah no way, unlucky brother. You don't know who you talking to. You might have to redo the whole Fontaine World Quest atp.

you did

I didn't. You thought what they talking about is referring to thr universal temporal dimension which is not, that's why i said It ain't.

Then its not endless and infinite anymore, the fact flins and nicole outright say that is a contradiction on a major level. and idk why would they

Because they're talking about the thing in the Moon's Reflection

you did lol

i know what they're talking about, i'm not you who just take it raw what they say without knowing the context that they talking about.

 

[MSahla]

Because they're talking about the thing in the Moon's Reflection

You even got Tholindis who basically says the same thing. The end of the road in the Moon's Reflection is where Dragon King Nibelung was born.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Oh, that's just your problem who simply doesn't want to believe it, Lmao.
It can be observed from outside is literally irrelevant.

Rene being randomly hyperbole? Yeah no way, unlucky brother. You don't know who you talking to. You might have to redo the whole Fontaine World Quest atp.

my man one scan says universe is 93B LY big, the other says its infinte, then they say it can be observed like choose one bro

I didn't. You thought what they talking about is referring to thr universal temporal dimension which is not, that's why i said It ain't.

never, i always mentioned time of teyvat, thats the temporal dimension that isnt infinite, the one outside doesnt matter when what i talk about only applies to teyvat.

Because they're talking about the thing in the Moon's Reflection

thats what records time of teyvat, thats also why they say time is not infinite, how can you even record something that has beggining and end and you call it infinite, that makes no sense

i know what they're talking about, i'm not you who just take it raw what they say without knowing the context that they talking about.

i wouldnt be jobbing in saying that time isnt temporal dimension if i didnt know what they are talking about.

 

[MSahla]

my man one scan says universe is 93B LY big, the other says its infinte, then they say it can be observed like choose one bro

That's just the observable universe, not the whole existence.

never, i always mentioned time of teyvat, thats the temporal dimension that isnt infinite, the one outside doesnt matter when what i talk about only applies to teyvat.

Show me where a scan that says the temporal dimension in Teyvat isn't infinite, because the one you gave me in that Nicole conversations are not refering to the universal temporal dimension. And i already proved that.

thats what records time of teyvat, thats also why they say time is not infinite, how can you even record something that has beggining and end and you call it infinite, that makes no sense

@Furina003 already addressed this.

i wouldnt be jobbing in saying that time isnt temporal dimension if i didnt know what they are talking about.

Because you do, when they said time you immediately thinking of the actual universal temporal dimension and concept of time instead of thinking what they actually refering to and what context of it.

 

[MSahla]

Anyway.. Im going to bedge

 

[Voidnether]

How do you affirm time is infinite when the temporal dimension is only created when Phanes created Istaroth??