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I don't really think the counter-argument for Lapse: Blue just keeping him in is very convincing since it'd require LS to escape, not AP.
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Gojo Vs Woody
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I don't think that's how it works. It's still pulling with Class G force. That'd be like saying you can overcome Infinite LS gravity by being 100x FTL while the opponent is 10x FTL. You'd need the LS to escape its pull.
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That's because of how IRL physics work, and physics break apart (Not to mention the particle accelerating that fast would absolutely have Lifting Strength that is Infinite, and thus far stronger than the force of gravity from a black hole, as even at light speed, mass becomes infinite).
But even if you want to split hairs about that, Gojo can just use his TK instead to restrain him.
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This:
Where instead of using Blue as a destructive attractive force, he uses Limitless to move stuff around with more precision and is non-destructive.
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We unfortunately wouldn't use that kind of speed > LS in a vs matchup, while yes irl it'd be both speed and LS escape a black hole by that example in a vsmatch we don't go by speed being enough to overcome sheer LS gap so if one side is TK'd and it hits them before they can react then they're caught so unless they can use their speed to get them before they are grabbed by TK already then its ggs on getting grapped
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Okay, so after some off-site talk, the concern came up in that Gojo incapping with LS isn't in character, and while he may notice the stat gap quickly and he may eventually use Blue, him keeping it indefinitely (or the Telekinesis for that matter) is unlikely to be something he'll do at least the first time he does land it, so there's still a wide margin of error for Woody to land a hit.
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Yeah, it's not something he opens up with because he can either kill/defeat his opponent and thus doesn't need to restrain them, or the opponent genuinely has a counter to it. I doubt he'd open with restraining him, but he'd certainly resort to incap when he realizes Blue, Red, etc. do nothing to Woody.
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Woody touching Gojo at all = Gojo gets splattered. Getting hit with an attack several magnitudes of infinity above your durability isn't something RCT can fix
Gojo in character would probably let the literal toy try to hit him and assume that Infinity would work. By the time he realizes Infinity doesn't work, he's already splattered into subatomic particles
Gojo's wincon is to hold Woody down forever and spam Infinite Void, while Woody's wincon is hitting Gojo once.
Woody's wincon seems WAY more likely to happen
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Gojo in character would probably let the literal toy try to hit him and assume that Infinity would work. By the time he realizes Infinity doesn't work, he's already splattered into subatomic particles
Gojo's wincon is to hold Woody down forever and spam Infinite Void, while Woody's wincon is hitting Gojo once.
Woody's wincon seems WAY more likely to happen
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What's the AoE of Woody's punches? Do his attacks splatter opponents in canon? If not, I'm pretty sure he'd just drill a hole with his fist which Gojo can heal (Unless it's like through the head).
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The AP doesn't matter as much as the AoE of the punch. 1-C character's who can only spread their energy over a microscopic area aren't doing much damage to a person a trillion times bigger than them.
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Woody in KH3 is about 2 feet tall
Punching Gojo through the head or stomach = Gojo is dead
Injuring Gojo's head or stomach = Gojo cannot heal reliably, as Yuta was unable to heal himself without external support
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Yuta got cut in half. I don't think punching a hole like an inch inch in diameter in his stomach will damage Gojo beyond his ability to RCT when Hakari could Regen borderline being blown in half by lightning. In the head is fair tho.
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Woody also has this which I don't know why it's not on his profile, but it stuns his enemies for 10 seconds, and ALL of Woody's attacks bypass Infinity, so if Woody leads with this (which why wouldn't he, the attack s intended to stun and hook enemies towards him), not only would this attack stun Gojo, but it would also do massive damage since the lasso does damage, and if Gojo is being lasso'd by a rope that's several infinities stronger than him, he's probably going to get sliced in half on top of being stunned for 10 seconds, allowing Woody to punch him while he's down to finish him off for good
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What is this LS into Reverse LS fight
To beat the LS agenda you had to use your own LS agenda
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the problem with this is that the lasso also does damage inherently so Gojo would just get snapped in halfWhat is this LS into Reverse LS fight
To beat the LS agenda you had to use your own LS agenda
not to mention, what's stopping Woody from pulling HIMSELF close to Gojo? Sure he doesn't have the LS to pull Gojo close but the rope is too strong for Gojo to break due to the AP difference and there's nothing stopping Woody from pulling himself closer to the stonewall man he can't move
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Realistically if Gojo just got cut in half, he's just going to use thought-based Lapse: Blue or TK to keep the opponent away if he's stunned. IF he lived through it that is, but he wouldn't live long through that.
That said, I do think the rule about abilities working the same when speed equalized was misinterpreted. Punching and moving isn't an ability. He wouldn't be able to get through Infinity because of this rule.
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If Gojo uses domain his infinite won't work after failing to do anything
Woody in that moment can hit him
Woody in that moment can hit him
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Gojo can restore his technique instantly with RCT on his brain.
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5 times limit and also not instant
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Yeah, Gojo's not going to use Unlimited Void a second time if it literally does nothing the first time lol let alone 5 times
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Gojo lowered his guard in all of his important fights so he perfectly can do this because he lowers his guard and gg gege
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Lower his guard and use Unlimited Void until he gets brain damage? If so that makes literally zero sense.
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Yeah, why not
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Yeah, why not
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I forgot about this NGL to index it, hence why. As it's evidently a minor addition to the profile, if a thread mod or higher is fine with it I can go ahead and add that (Extended Melee Range + Status Effect Inducement (stun)) to the page. Technically Woody wouldn't have the rope after TS4 as he donated it to Gabby Gabby, however.
As for this, they can reduce Heartless to dust.
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Is there any like cutscenes of Woody punching someone and it having this much AoE, cuz in gameplay, that type of thing tends to just be a way of getting rid of the enemy so corpses don't just pile up and **** up your PC/Console. I.e. a game mechanic rather than what actually happens.
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I guess I'll take your word for it, but are you sure these monsters aren't the type of monster that if you kill, their body just automatically dissipates? Because that's what it looks like, but I don't want to assume.
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imma lowk vote for Gojo, LS meta stays strong
Gojo can spawn Blue right inside Woody too and it's also invisible so Woody aint dodging
Also i didnt quite get, will UV work?
Gojo can spawn Blue right inside Woody too and it's also invisible so Woody aint dodging
Also i didnt quite get, will UV work?
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That much isn't specifically stated, and they do drop materials for building stuff, so it's evident that there's physical remnants either way.
The problem is that Gojo isn't keeping it indefinitely in character, at least not the first time he does it, granting Woody more of an opening to hit him.
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Okay, but if Gojo sees his Technique literally did zero damage, he'd immediately be extremely suspicious of the toy with little CE somehow being that freakishly strong.
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The thing is that at the same time there's also a fair chance that Gojo's first actions include trying to punch/kick Woody, especially as he tends to understimate his opponents, and that's also the worst move possible as Woody's win condition is just hitting him.
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ye i understand, but when Gojo tries Red, Domain or Purple and nothing work, he wont really have any options
dont think that matters since Gojo's UV targets the mind/consciousness which Woody has
how does that work? i mean, why it stops UV from incaping Woody?
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He almost always starts with his technique. Especially since SBA assumes both character's know the other actually poses a threat to one another and that losing poses dire consequences.
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