Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[AsterReal]

So far, there are only four Descenders, and the other two attempts to become a fifth Descender didn't work out. Skirk is an obvious "what if?" who doesn't even come close to being a Descender, and Rene couldn't become one.

 

[Giannysmag]

Aria's words implies that if they had taken action before Nibelung's return, things might have been better. If they weren't even on the level of the Shades and the Sovereigns, it wouldn't have mattered either way.

There's also this statement which likewise implies they could have effected the outcome of the war

Aria: Nibelung constructed this realm specifically to prevent us from using our powers to interfere in his war.

 

[Puppet43]

he also have the power to make every human equal to the shades.

Never stated

If it was the shades or sovereigns yall would eagerly accept the ost lmao

No, i dont think i would accept scaling Traveler (my second favorite in game) because a song said

Traveler of countless worlds. The battle against the heavens has begun; you are the only one with the power to end this tyranny.

Claiming that Arle have no knowledge of gods is insane. She even know the book of Perinheri who mention these gods.

Yeah, barely anyone has actual knowledge of moon gods
The books is a romantic story that in some parts jus relates what Khaenriahns in the Crimson Dinasty did to kids

Where did he perfectly fought Dottore as false heretic of the moon

Traveler sword vs Dottore entire body (3 Marrows)
Traveler sword vs Weakend Rerir's hand (Remind u Trav had a power up while fighting him)

Aria's words implies that if they had taken action before Nibelung's return, things might have been better. If they weren't even on the level of the Shades and the Sovereigns, it wouldn't have mattered either way.

THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THE ONLY DECENT ARG I HEARD ABOUT MOON GODDESS

Plague be upon all the calc mods currently online that haven't evaled my calc.

Dude, my cocouik calc is already 1 year old. No mods

 

[Giannysmag]

Dude, my cocouik calc is already 1 year old. No mods

Yea but I'm built different

 

[MSahla]

There's also this statement which likewise implies they could have effected the outcome of the war

Nibelung just didn't want them to join in his war against them.

Morever, what the hell are they gonna do against Phanes when Nicole straight up said they're completely fodder to them.

 

[Giannysmag]

Nibelung just didn't want them to join in his war against them.

That's certianly not what Aria says

Morever, what the hell are they gonna do against Phanes when Nicole straight up said they're completely fodder to them.

Interfere

 

[PedjaTarzan]

idk man nod krai cast was fodder to dottore and rerir and they prevailed idk

 

[MSahla]

That's certianly not what Aria says
Interfere

Interfere could mean many things, like how Columbina asked them why they didn't fight back Phanes with their paranoid and changing the world, and Aria said that's something Nibelung never taught them and they wanted to know if the change is good or not. Sonnet already against Phanes since the beginning.

 

[MSahla]

And morever what Canon statements that says Moon's Reflection exist to sealed their Divinity/Authority rather than Physical Body. That alone kinda implies that the Moon Goddesses would've join the war with Nibelung if they weren't imprisoned.

 

[Puppet43]

was fodder

fodder from what perspective?
because god damn nefer, ineffa, flins, columbina can oneshot archons

Morever, what the hell are they gonna do against Phanes when Nicole straight up said they're completely fodder to them.

Interfere

You both know that interfering doesn't mean being on equal footing, right? In Liyue, they show us a jar that tells a story (which Zhongli later confirms) that says that in the war against Azdhada, two Adeptus and Zibai helped Zhongli seal the dragon. Does that mean the Adeptus (I won't talk about Zibai because we don't know her power level) were equals to Zhongli? Not at all. They simply intervened to seal the lizard, not to fight against it. The Moon Goddesses could be a similar case; they could have used their abilities to cast shadows into the Nibelung domain and thus win.
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Traveler sword vs Dottore entire body (3 Marrows)
Traveler sword vs Weakend Rerir's hand (Remind u Trav had a power up while fighting him)

My biggest arg to not scale both teams to the same is this
I would stand by this scale:

Phanes/Nibelung
Shades/Sovereings/Sinners
Weakend Rerir (and anyone how scales to him like Dain, Lumine and Durin)
Trilune Gods (Dottore / Columbina)
Angels
Moon Goddess and the user of their marrows

 

[MSahla]

My biggest arg to not scale both teams to the same is this
I would stand by this scale:

I could still agree if the Moon Sisters scale to the Sovereigns because it's more reasonable, but scale to the Shades is just nuh uh, and theres not a single evidence that can support that scaling.

 

[Puppet43]

I could still agree if the Moon Sisters scale to the Sovereigns because it's more reasonable, but scale to the Shades

Dude, sovereings and shades are equals just by fighting off 40 years. In fact u were the one who made so the 7 Sovereings scale up to Phanes lvl...
Look what u got the verse into

 

[MSahla]

Dude, sovereings and shades are equals just by fighting off 40 years. In fact u were the one who made so the 7 Sovereings scale up to Phanes lvl...
Look what u got the verse into

They weren't on Phanes lvl, if you're talking about Tiering-wise then thats just it, but that doesn't mean they're equal.
Same Tier ≠ Equal.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

fodder from what perspective?
because god damn nefer, ineffa, flins, columbina can oneshot archons

bro only got columbina right lmao

 

[Giannysmag]

because god damn nefer, ineffa, flins, columbina can oneshot archons

 

[MSahla]

Are u working on new Dottore CRT rn?

 

[Puppet43]

They weren't on Phanes lvl, if you're talking about Tiering-wise then thats just it, but that doesn't mean they're equal.

U argue countless time back in my CRT about Rerir that Sovereing did infact fight against him and should scale to his AP
And if u want a tiering system way of my scale. It would go like

Phanes and Nibelung = 5A by Upscaling massively Teyvat fake sky stuff or 4C by sun stuff
Sovereings/Sinners/Shades = 5A by being declared equal to the world and world destroyers (fake sky)
Weakend Rerir = In act 3 & 4 is stated to had grown by a large marge to his previous encounter, low estimates could be 20 - 30% of that 5A (Should be 5B most likely)
Trilune Gods = Dottore could overpower Nicole pulling the Moon, so Low 5B
Angels = Nicole did the feat herself. Low 5B
Moon Goddess and marrows = Each one should downscale 1/3 of the Low 5B, which ironically, still Low 5B but by 12 Zettatons

bro only got columbina right lmao

Nah, Nefer downscaling 2 marrow ttore exists

 

[Giannysmag]

Are u working on new Dottore CRT rn?

Yep profile is basically ready, I just need to add scans and get my calc accepted (if it doesn't happen soon I'll just use the IRL moons weight for Dottore's LS)

 

[MSahla]

And if u want a tiering system way of my scale. It would go like

That's not what i mean..

 

[Puppet43]

(if it doesn't happen soon I'll just use the IRL moons weight for Dottore's LS)

My calc better, dude

 

[Puppet43]

That's not what i mean..

Idc
Low 5B for everyone

 

[Giannysmag]

My calc better, dude

I mean you base yours on IRL stuff while mine is purely using ingame measurments so I think mine is more accurate

 

[MSahla]

Can we just upgrade our Speed first.. I'm getting tired of this MHS+

 

[Puppet43]

Can we just upgrade our Speed first.. I'm getting tired of this MHS+

I wanna downgrade the 4A stuff first.
Get some calcs evaluated and upgrade a lot of character in 1 Crt. Like i did with the first big crt (Above hili - mid harbinger lvl)

 

[MSahla]

I wanna downgrade the 4A stuff first.
Get some calcs evaluated and upgrade a lot of character in 1 Crt. Like i did with the first big crt (Above hili - mid harbinger lvl)

Get some mods bruh.. go to their walls and say something, bumping won't do anything.

 

[Puppet43]

I mean you base yours on IRL stuff while mine is purely using ingame measurments so I think mine is more accurate

But Low 5B is funny man :c

 

[Puppet43]

Get some mods bruh.. go to their walls and say something, bumping won't do anything.

Dude, im doing my best :c

 

[AsterReal]

 

[Giannysmag]

But Low 5B is funny man :c

What's even funnier is making a Shade Tier character near baseline 5-C basically trapping the rest of the verse at Tier 6 (the way Da Wei intended) :3

 

[Puppet43]

What's even funnier is making a Shade Tier character near baseline 5-C basically trapping the rest of the verse at Tier 6 (the way Da Wei intended) :3

"Basline Shade Tier"
Not even 20% Rerir lvl
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Btw i know ur exacte cordinates rn, i would nuke ur house if u make that

 

[MSahla]

The Shades should be downscale from Phanes as they're merely an avatar and Emanations/Shadows/Projections of Phanes itself, they're one level below Phanes.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nah, Nefer downscaling 2 marrow ttore exists

bro… im crine

 

[Puppet43]

The Shades should be downscale from Phanes as they're merely an avatar and Emanations/Shadows/Projections of Phanes itself, they're one level below Phanes.

Wait until 7.3 reveals that Shade are barely 100 times weaker than Phanes

 

[AsterReal]

 

[MSahla]

Wait until 7.3 reveals that Shade are barely 100 times weaker than Phanes

Will never, the shades were under Phanes just because of Hierarchy, and theres nothing that says the gap power between Shades and Phanes were many, hundred or thousand times weaker

 

[Puppet43]

Will never, the shades were under Phanes just because of Hierarchy, and theres nothing that says the gap power between Shades and Phanes were many, hundred or thousand times weaker or stronger.

Yeah, there nothing because so far they havent been an active part of Genshin story (Gamewise) would u had said that Moon Goddess were stronger than Archons back in 1.0? when the book about them first release

 

[PedjaTarzan]

definetly not enough for them to be in same tier lol

 

[MSahla]

would u had said that Moon Goddess were stronger than Archons back in 1.0? when the book about them first release

Shit, i'm not a lore enthusiast yet at that time. My lore enthusiast were awaken after 2.4 dropped, which is Enkanomiya.

 

[Giannysmag]

You both know that interfering doesn't mean being on equal footing, right? In Liyue, they show us a jar that tells a story (which Zhongli later confirms) that says that in the war against Azdhada, two Adeptus and Zibai helped Zhongli seal the dragon. Does that mean the Adeptus (I won't talk about Zibai because we don't know her power level) were equals to Zhongli? Not at all. They simply intervened to seal the lizard, not to fight against it. The Moon Goddesses could be a similar case; they could have used their abilities to cast shadows into the Nibelung domain and thus win.

Interfere could mean many things, like how Columbina asked them why they didn't fight back Phanes with their paranoid and changing the world, and Aria said that's something Nibelung never taught them and they wanted to know if the change is good or not. Sonnet already against Phanes since the beginning.

 

[Giannysmag]

"Basline Shade Tier"
Not even 20% Rerir lvl

Sure bro

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Btw i know ur exacte cordinates rn, i would nuke ur house if u make that

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