Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[Furina003]

if temporal dimension is finite then you can never get low 2-C like that, it has to be infinite and the thing is its only low 2-C bcs of "uncountably infinite" snapshots, each moment of time has infinite ones instead which is why its high 3-A

I already said there that I wasn't talking about a limited temporal dimension, but only about Columbina's limited travel time because the prison that created the Nibelungs was created when he returned to Teyvat, and time within the prison moves backward.

Columbina will continue traveling until she reaches the starting point of the prison's time. This is what is meant by finite there, not talking about a limited spatial snapshot.

but moon prison literally records teyvats time, and nicole states its finite because it records from the beginning of time of TEYVAT, if its said from the moment nibelung made it this would be 0 issues

Time has a beginning ≠ a limited snapshot, bro. This actually strengthens L2C Istaroth, proving that she is the creator of time itself because in ancient times, time had not yet begun.

 

[MSahla]

Dottore LITERALLY is taking moon marrows to transcends boundaries and laws of teyvat HOW is he flowery man what the **** are you on about

Transcend it's boundaries??? Pfftt you believe he could do that even though the OG Moon Goddesses still have boundaries on them?

what avatars bro? it literally stated it CREATED them you literally cannot prove they existed before PO. all those statements gets contradicted by the mere fact they were created by primordial one

Created ≠ Born
You confuses so many things right its insane.

theres not even a proof they have avatars "avatar of time" doesnt even mean its literal avatar it can literally mean this
"an icon or figure representing a particular person in a video game, internet forum, etc."

Oh, so we are going to use our headcanon here?

i know, you dont you still push low 2-C despite not knowing finite time having infinite snapshots is NOT qualifying for low 2-C, you can make QnA thread right now

Time is finite IN TEYVAT, not as a whole absolute temporal dimension
You gotta improve your reading comprehension bro, like literally.

Time in Teyvat is Finite because the teyvat's timeline was began when it was born, this is so easy to understand. This is nowhere refering to the whole temporal dimension.

my man you said they co existed but you literally know PO made them when invading teyvat WHEN he created the shades.

PO didn't attack the moon sisters, what you talk about.

honestly continuing this will go in circles, im just gonna adress this if u make a crt regarding all this instead

That'll be easy to debunk.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

sigh
That only talking about in the Moons Reflection.

Ok, now prove this.

 

[Furina003]

it literally says that teyvat time has its beginning, time itself in fact.

yeah, time starts ≠ finite snapshot.
instead create time = tier l2c
This strengthens the l2c istaroth and proves that the age of the time dragons did not exist, according to this description

Legend has it that in the ancient past before even the concept of time was created, these creatures thrived with their progenitors and offspring in a land of verdant grass and colossal trees, traversing through slick soil like fishes diving through the wet.
With the passage of eons, the gifts of heaven has long reduced the soils to sand, rendering a great many creatures extinct. This branch of their genus was able to survive by adapting more toward earth-based living, and became known as the "Wenut."

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Transcend it's boundaries??? Pfftt you believe he could do that even though the OG Moon Goddesses still have boundaries on them?

i mean thats why he needed 3 of them combined lol.

Created ≠ Born
You confuses so many things right its insane.

brother...theres literally no difference if they were born or created by PO, it just contradicts the fact they are (insert what they have power of) itself, and even more that they coexisted with Trilunas, they predate shades man shades were created when PO invaded teyvat man.

Oh, so we are going to use our headcanon here?

Google Search

Time is finite IN TEYVAT, not as a whole absolute temporal dimension
You gotta improve your reading comprehension bro, like literally.

actual leap in logic lol

Time in Teyvat is Finite because the teyvat's timeline was began when it was born, this is so easy to understand. This is nowhere refering to the whole temporal dimension.

its literally a temporal dimensions when it talks about teyvats timeline, or time itself in general , time is literally a temporal dimension XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[Frostyyyy12]

This strengthens the l2c istaroth and proves that the age of the time dragons did not exist, according to this description

A leaf world (which Genshin is), is simply the mark it makes along the Time axis. For a leaf to exist, Time already would need to. And that is how Leaf worlds are created.

Time existed before Istaroth, lmao. And we have several descriptions showcasing that Time did in fact exist before.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

yeah, time starts ≠ finite snapshot.
instead create time = tier l2c
This strengthens the l2c istaroth and proves that the age of the time dragons did not exist, according to this description

that description is retconned by nicole , you cant track that badly it literally proves that CONCEPT of time existed when teyvat was born and wenut is a creature that lives in teyvat unless u obviously have proof that wenut existed before teyvat that is

 

[AsterReal]

yeah, time starts ≠ finite snapshot.
instead create time = tier l2c
This strengthens the l2c istaroth and proves that the age of the time dragons did not exist, according to this description

Isn't the Chinese text supposed to make no mention of the word "concept"?

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Isn't the Chinese text supposed to make no mention of the word "concept"?

Correct:

傳說在時間開始之前的過去，牠們所統轄地上遍布芳草與巨木，而牠們的主宰與其子嗣一同，在濕潤的泥土中穿梭，如同魚之游於水中。

“Legend has it that in the past before time began, the lands they ruled were covered with fragrant grass and giant trees, and their rulers together with their offspring moved through the damp soil, like fish swimming in water.”

The sentence isn’t literal, how can past exist without Time?

 

[Furina003]

that description is retconned by nicole , you cant track that badly it literally proves that CONCEPT of time existed when teyvat was born and wenut is a creature that lives in teyvat unless u obviously have proof that wenut existed before teyvat that is

Yes, time was created when Teyvat was created, not to deny L2C, it was an achievement of L2C, because the world that originally had no time was created to have time.

 

[Voidnether]

Low 2-C Istaroth and it's 13.8 billion years
Yeah nah the time is finite here lol

 

[Voidnether]

Yes, time was created when Teyvat was created, not to deny L2C, it was an achievement of L2C, because the world that originally had no time was created to have time.

Not even 13.8 billion years huh

 

[MSahla]

i mean thats why he needed 3 of them combined lol.

Nor does 3 of them can transcend it in the past lmao, theres many things that the moon goddesses cannot do even with their own authority.

brother...theres literally no difference if they were born or created by PO, it just contradicts the fact they are (insert what they have power of) itself, and even more that they coexisted with Trilunas, they predate shades man shades were created when PO invaded teyvat man.

Yes there are, born must have before and after which is inside time.

Google Search

"Google help me pls" Ahh

its literally a temporal dimensions when it talks about teyvats timeline, or time itself in general , time is literally a temporal dimension XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

It ain't.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It ain't.

AU BRATE A temporal dimension is the dimension of time, fundamentally integrated with the three spatial dimensions (length, width, depth) to form the four-dimensional fabric of spacetime, as described by relativity. It represents the continuous flow from past to future, distinguishing itself from spatial dimensions by how it's treated mathematically, often with an opposite sign in distance calculations, creating a unique framework for understanding events and motion in the universe.

 

[Furina003]

Not even 13.8 billion years huh

istaroth the mother 14 billions year
apart from that, it's actually not important, because what's important is the size of the space

 

[Puppet43]

Idk how you say to me i can't read but yourself also failed to comprehend such thing

Sure, if i failed to comprehend then send the statment and why i failed

Please hoyo... I can't debunk this so i need to call it fallacy

Anything but invalidate the fallacy because they know its real

The nominal fallacy, is a logical fallacy in which it is incorrectly assumed that giving something a name is tantamount to explaining it

The most common used theory of irl universe aren't even infinite at first place

:moya:

Bro think tier 2 or multiverse is infinite by default, non 2-A multiverse aren't even all infinite.

I said u can show up multiverses to get that precious tier 2. Not that the universes had to be infinite or not (ofc im talking about a theorically verse where someone scales to the full cosmology of the multiverse)

Wow why are you literally supporting my argument rn, like you really support when i said saturn able to view cause it's size not brightness.

Van Maanen 2
Has a radius of barely 0.01 solar radius and a luminosity of 1.622^10-4
Still seen at naked eye
To put it into perspective, the earth has a radius of 0.009 solar radius
So yeah, an object of Earth size is can be seen by naked eye from over 14 light years
(Btw i hate u, because i needed to make a research about this in the wiki and i get motion sickness by looking at space images)

Being the authority over time does not require her to be bound by it, she legit have transcended her own boundaries as time itself,

So she isnt time
U cant trascendt ur own existence

Show me a single verse that visualized how "Infinite" looks like without statement backing them up, i bet you can't find them because it's genuinely Impossible to visualize Infinite.

I told u 2 examples god damn
Cant tell u any verse because all the others verse i like dont have anything above tier 3. I guess Godzilla, but i havent watch all movies so i cant tell

 

[Puppet43]

How do you know it's 5A?

A pocket dimension that holds a moon and earth was calc to be High 5A - 5A

If it's been stated many times as the universe?

My cat was called Godzilla more times, yet is is still a cat size cat mmmmmmmm

 

[Puppet43]

Well, while you guys finish arguing, I want to present my proposal for the additional Low 2-C justifications:

4C Characters at best

 

[Puppet43]

"Google help me pls" Ahh

Sahl, u use Ai...

 

[Bossbrosish]

Gotta ask, anyone know if this is usable for a feat in the slightest? (Spoilers for new quest, so click at your discretion)

 

[AsterReal]

Gotta ask, anyone know if this is usable for a feat in the slightest? (Spoilers for new quest, so click at your discretion)

Lifting Strength Class Y

 

[Tsubasa16]

I am kinda curious on how exactly the Lunar Authorities were divided among the 3 sisters like, did all of them each have a portion of the life, death, space, etc. authorities or did each of them held a full one? i am almost certain that is something that is never specified lmao.

 

[AsterReal]

I am kinda curious on how exactly the Lunar Authorities were divided among the 3 sisters like, did all of them each have a portion of the life, death, space, etc. authorities or did each of them held a full one? i am almost certain that is something that is never specified lmao.

Since there are five of them, I believe that each Moon retained one-third of each of the authorities after dividing the powers equally.

 

[oberon]

You didn't prove anything, Zhongli is blantantly said she's the avatar of Time, and i'm afraid you cannot debunk that other than being denial like it's flowery language, hyperbole or some shit like that.

And she was given the authority of time by HP also does not contradict anything, as Istaroth have already existed even before she was created, because she's time itself.


@Arkenis have made it clear in the previous page, what do you even think is "Life, Death , Space and Time"? Are they not abstract concepts to you? Those four are universal phenomena and concepts.


sigh
That only talking about in the Moons Reflection.


So are we forgetting to the fact that the Shades and the Moons are co-existed before? And why is the Shades not gone now after Columbina Literally got the Full Authority of the Three Moons? Lol.

Claiming Shades' authorities coming from the Three Moons is straight up cope and just argument from belief which never been stated/proven in the game.

Quick question why does everyone assumed that the shades power comes from the moon? Doesnt the moon sister gave their power to columbina? Hp has no way of stealing moon sister power if the moon sisyer got locked up in the moon reflection

 

[MSahla]

Quick question why does everyone assumed that the shades power comes from the moon? Doesnt the moon sister gave their power to columbina? Hp has no way of stealing moon sister power if the moon sisyer got locked up in the moon reflection

Straight cope and and headcanon, and theres no reason to believe them.
They think like that just because they govern the same things, while Nicole blantantly said that their authority is just a fodder compared to Heavenly Principles.

If you really aware enough, you can know how the game distinguished between both authorities and how they work. The Shades authorities are more absolute than the Moon Sisters.

 

[AsterReal]

Quick question why does everyone assumed that the shades power comes from the moon? Doesnt the moon sister gave their power to columbina? Hp has no way of stealing moon sister power if the moon sisyer got locked up in the moon reflection

Because people like to believe what they want to believe. Even the Moon Marrow, which contain the remnants of the power of a Moon Goddess, have part of the Authority of the Three Moons, and the original Lunar Goddesses still retained their authority.

 

[oberon]

I am kinda curious on how exactly the Lunar Authorities were divided among the 3 sisters like, did all of them each have a portion of the life, death, space, etc. authorities or did each of them held a full one? i am almost certain that is something that is never specified lmao.

Yeah it was never specified, at firsy i thought each held full authority but there is only 3 of em while the authority is 4 (confusing stuff) either 3 moon sister each wield 1/3 of the 4 authority or columbina wields one of the full authority as well prior to the meeting with the moon sister

 

[MSahla]

I am kinda curious on how exactly the Lunar Authorities were divided among the 3 sisters like, did all of them each have a portion of the life, death, space, etc. authorities or did each of them held a full one? i am almost certain that is something that is never specified lmao.

Each of them have those 4 powers, Alice has made it clear that they shared those powers among themselves. So, each authorities have it.

They were promised to never consolidate it to a single body to avoid one of them being too powerful.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Quick question why does everyone assumed that the shades power comes from the moon? Doesnt the moon sister gave their power to columbina? Hp has no way of stealing moon sister power if the moon sisyer got locked up in the moon reflection

The Moon Sisters and The Shades are literally shown to have coexisted together much before the time the war of the funerary flame even happened, so i also have no idea why people are spouting that nonsense, The Shades's powers are completely unrelated in origin to the Moons's.

 

[MSahla]

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

finally done the archon quest wonder if anyone has calced varka and arle literally pulling the moon down, nice ap feat for them.

 

[Bossbrosish]

finally done the archon quest wonder if anyone has calced varka and arle literally pulling the moon down, nice ap feat for them.

Not sure if it'll actually scale to them since it seemed Nicole seemed to had some hand in it (her glyphs or whatever it's called showed up beneath Varka and Arle)

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Not sure if it'll actually scale to them since it seemed Nicole seemed to had some hand in it (her glyphs or whatever it's called showed up beneath Varka and Arle)

Nicole did not amp them. She gave her protection not power boast the moon pulling was done with their power.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The Moon Sisters and The Shades are literally shown to have coexisted together much before the time the war of the funerary flame even happened, so i also have no idea why people are spouting that nonsense, The Shades's powers are completely unrelated in origin to the Moons's.

Dottore literally said so lol. The power of the shades is predated by the power of the moons.

Where do you even get that The moons and shades co-existed at the same time?

''When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. *The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.''

 

[MSahla]

Where do you even get that The moons and shades co-existed at the same time?

Are you serious?

If one was born early enough, lived long enough, and one's forbidden memories weren't erased by more transcendent beings, they would surely remember (and such beings do exist in Teyvat) that before the war of funerary flame, the Three Moon Goddesses, who served Nibelung, once coexisted harmoniously with the principles of Celestia for a time.

Of course, if one were to inquire about this matter with Celestia, the high heavens might respond with ambiguity. The Three Moons were once satellites that guarded Teyvat, and the Moon Sisters were executors of the planet's will. Celestia's principles were once quite "tolerant," not necessarily requiring the exclusion of those divergent from itself.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Quick question why does everyone assumed that the shades power comes from the moon? Doesnt the moon sister gave their power to columbina? Hp has no way of stealing moon sister power if the moon sisyer got locked up in the moon reflection

Bro is literally known as the usurpser lol.

So from what we know according to Dottore whom have the power of Reason.

The Doctor: These four divisions anchor the world and shackle those who live in it. But they themselves transcend its boundaries, squandering the power bestowed by the heavens.

Their power is bestowed by Phanes.

The Doctor: How narrow-minded we all were in the past. Why should the final answer of the world not be the power that predates those of life, death, time, and space? The power of the Trilune?

Their power is predated.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Are you serious?

The context is literally about phanes, they were literally talking about "great ruler of the firmament." according to Aria own words.

Plus according to timelines, Moon goddess was created prior to the war of sovereigns while before Sun and Moon, the shades were created during the war of sovereigns.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Nicole did not amp them. She gave her protection not power boast the moon pulling was done with their power.

I see, I thought she might've been amplifying them as well since there was a golden string of energy being connected to the moon as it was being pulled down

 

[MSahla]

The context is literally about phanes, they were literally talking about "great ruler of the firmament." according to Aria own words.

Plus according to timelines, Moon goddess was created prior to the war of sovereigns while before Sun and Moon, the shades were created during the war of sovereigns.

And what do you think is happening after they defeated the sovereigns? Phanes created the four shades and reshaped the world. Do you think at that time the Moon Sisters were dead? Because they were dead or got imprisoned in the war of funerary flame, nowhere else.

And they literally said "before the war of funerary flame, the Three Moon Goddesses, who served Nibelung, once coexisted harmoniously with the principles of Celestia for a time"
This Timeline is literally after the Human Realm was created and before the war funerary flame was happening, and guess who's resides in Celestia? Four Shades and Phanes, lol. And the fact that the principles of Celestia already exist means the four shades already exist.

 

[MSahla]

Columbina already got the full Authority of all Three Moons now, by the logic the Four Shades should've been gone by now because Columbina manage to get all of those authorities, yet they didn't.

And what do you think is happening after they defeated the sovereigns? Phanes created the four shades and reshaped the world. Do you think at that time the Moon Sisters were dead? Because they were dead or got imprisoned in the war of funerary flame, nowhere else.

And they literally said "before the war of funerary flame, the Three Moon Goddesses, who served Nibelung, once coexisted harmoniously with the principles of Celestia for a time"
This Timeline is literally after the Human Realm was created and before the war funerary flame was happening, and guess who's resides in Celestia? Four Shades and Phanes, lol. And the fact that the principles of Celestia already exist means the four shades already exist.