Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This is just funny, because those two are no different whatsoever. Even if Nibelung created beings or mechanisms that could affect time before Istaroth’s manifestation in Teyvat, that does not disprove Istaroth as the origin or embodiment or avatar of time.

Siince when even is Nibelung is the origin of Time? They interact with Time ≠ They created Time, thats a whole different things. So Nibelung interfering with time is irrelevant to Istaroth’s ontological status.

Your only evidence of Istaroth being the origin of time is flowery language from a book we’ve agreed has falsehoods inside it. Of course obviously I’m not going to convince you because to you anything regarding the Shades is not flowery language. Obviously even though we are told Istaroth was made by HP she clearly transcends him and actually made herself.

I literally never said Nibelung made time. Having the power to manipulate a concept does not make you the origin of that concept.

 

[MSahla]

Time clearly existed though as Nibelung and the Moons can manipulate it. We even know the concept of life existed as the Hydro Dragon controls life.

Yeah, Time existed back then, but did Nibelung created it? Or is he the origin of it? No.

Nowhere does it say the boundaries of the world are these 4 concepts. The boundaries can just as easily refer to things like Erosions, the False Sky, Fate etc which are all rules of Teyvat.

Are we serious? Dottore literally talking about these four divisions and he literally talking about the four shades. Why are we coping rn bruh

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Is the four aspects ever just stated bro?

Uh what are you asking?

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah, Time existed back then, but did Nibelung created it? Or is he the origin of it? No.

Are we serious? Dottore literally talking about these four divisions and he literally talking about the four shades. Why are we coping rn bruh

Okay that's literally cm1 wtf

 

[Arkenis]

Uh what are you asking?

I could be confused but are you arguing the four moons aren't Life, Death, Space and Time?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yeah, Time existed back then, but did Nibelung created it? Or is he the origin of it? No.

Are we serious? Dottore literally talking about these four divisions and he literally talking about the four shades. Why are we coping rn bruh

Ok and?


What is the it he is referring to? The 4 concepts or is he saying they transcend the world

 

[MSahla]

Your only evidence of Istaroth being the origin of time is flowery language from a book we’ve agreed has falsehoods inside it. Of course obviously I’m not going to convince you because to you anything regarding the Shades is not flowery language. Obviously even though we are told Istaroth was made by HP she clearly transcends him and actually made herself.

No? Even this recent quest confirming that book even more, not just about Istaroth transcend her boundaries, but the one about Canon saved the remaining of the Frostmoon Scions.
The Hymns of Far North are never wrong whatsoever.

And my evidence Istaroth being the origin of Time is only that? How funny you are, you are just being denial and simply cannot accept the truth.

We have Zhongli who blantantly said Istaroth is the avatar of Time itself. And how she's the Mother of 14 Billion years which is the age of the Universe.

I literally never said Nibelung made time. Having the power to manipulate a concept does not make you the origin of that concept.

Then that does not invalidate her ontological status.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I could be confused but are you arguing the four moons aren't Life, Death, Space and Time?

I’m arguing that Istaroth is not the origin of time.

 

[MSahla]

Ok and?


What is the it he is referring to? The 4 concepts or is he saying they transcend the world

Can you actually read bro? Like genuinely, don't be tsundere like Sandrone and just be honest already.

 

[Arkenis]

I’m arguing that Istaroth is not the origin of time.

Okay but you agree the four moons are the actual fundamental aspects Life, Death, Space and Time? And that those are conceptual? And if I'm correct, Astaroth came before them..?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

No? Even this recent quest confirming that book even more, not just about Istaroth transcend her boundaries, but the one about Canon saved the remaining of the Frostmoon Scions.
The Hymns of Far North are never wrong whatsoever.

And my evidence Istaroth being the origin of Time is only that? How funny you are, you are just being denial and simply cannot accept the truth.

We have Zhongli who blantantly said Istaroth is the avatar of Time itself. And how she's the Mother of 14 Billion years which is the age of the Universe.


Then that does not invalidate her ontological status.

So did Nibelung leave Teyvat because he fell in love with an alien?

Zhongli was not there in Nibelung’s time. Is the 14 billion years thing from Hymns of the Far North?

The concept existing before she does obviously invalidates her as the origin.

 

[MSahla]

Okay that's literally cm1 wtf

Their influence aren't just for a single world, but the whole universe.

Hence why in alchemy said they are the Laws of the Universe, and bunch of other things too.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Okay but you agree the four moons are the actual fundamental aspects Life, Death, Space and Time? And that those are conceptual? And if I'm correct, Astaroth came before them..?

? Istaroth was made after the 3 moons

Can you actually read bro? Like genuinely, don't be tsundere like Sandrone and just be honest already.

Sahl you of all people shouldn’t be asking others if they can read. You’ve literally struggled to understand the context of the word ‘before’

 

[MSahla]

So did Nibelung leave Teyvat because he fell in love with an alien?

Irrelevant

Zhongli was not there in Nibelung’s time. Is the 14 billion years thing from Hymns of the Far North?

Why would the fck does he need to live that far first to know about the four shades? Like hello? Every Archons know their existences and how they works.

This is just some insane level of denial.

The concept existing before she does obviously invalidates her as the origin.

Duh? Because she doesn't exist as manifestation or avatar or emanation yet, lmao. What your seeing right now is just their avatar, not their True Form

? Istaroth was made after the 4 moons

So?

Sahl you of all people shouldn’t be asking others if they can read. You’ve literally struggled to understand the context of the word ‘before’

You even still trying to deny Dottore's obvious words,, like brruhh.

 

[Arkenis]

Their influence aren't just for a single world, but the whole universe.

Hence why in alchemy said they are the Laws of the Universe, and bunch of other things too.

Wait, so they are literally laws of the universe and they also transcend the boundaries too? How is this not cm1???

? Istaroth was made after the 4 moons

Oh right, they were removed from their roles after or something?


Is this whole thing that Istaroth can't be the origin of Time because the hymns or whatever are likely false and thus her statements don't really apply?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Irrelevant

Why would the fck does he need to live that far first to know about the four shades? Like hello? Every Archons know their existences and how they works.

This is just some insane level of denial.


Duh? Because she doesn't exist as manifestation or avatar or emanation yet, lmao. What your seeing right now is just their avatar, not their True Form


So?

You even still trying to deny Dottore's obvious words,, like brruhh.

It is in Hymns of the Far North so it is relevant. Don’t cherry pick information Sahl.

What is Zhongli’s source?

Sahl what is your source on that?

The concept of time existed before Istaroth existed.

Sahl I asked you question. If you cannot answer it just say so and stop replying.

 

[MSahla]

Wait, so they are literally laws of the universe and they also transcend the boundaries too? How is this not cm1???

Yeah

Oh right, they were removed from their roles after or something?

They replace them.

Is this whole thing that Istaroth can't be the origin of Time because the hymns or whatever are likely false and thus her statements don't really apply?

Not really, the hymns aren't that false.
In the hymns, she is said to be "the one stillness within the endless flow", which implies that she does not bound by the flow/linear of time, and her creation is also paradoxical.

And later, Dottore confirming that by saying they transcend its boundaries, which is why Istaroth does not bound by the flow of time.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Is this whole thing that Istaroth can't be the origin of Time because the hymns or whatever are likely false and thus her statements don't really apply?

Hymns of the Far North isn’t 100% wrong or right. The book says Nibelung left Teyvat because he was in love with an alien which is out of character for him. I’m arguing that until we get more evidence we shouldn’t assume the book is right about Istaroth and the others.

 

[Arkenis]

This sounds like standard paradoxical temporal cm1 existence for most the moons and Istaroth.

 

[Arkenis]

Hymns of the Far North isn’t 100% wrong or right. The book says Nibelung left Teyvat because he was in love with an alien which is out of character for him. I’m arguing that until we get more evidence we shouldn’t assume the book is right about Istaroth and the others.

Because one thing about Nibelung sounds ooc?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This sounds like standard paradoxical temporal cm1 existence for most the moons and Istaroth.

Possibly but we just need more evidence.

 

[MSahla]

What is Zhongli’s source?

What is Zhongli's source? My ass.
Like.. How do you even consider Zhongli isn't reliable when they talking about them, can you just not being denial already?

I'm done with you buddy, talking to a denial ppl literally just talking to a wall.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Because one thing about Nibelung sounds ooc?

Yeah. If the book has a single piece of wrong or even faulty information then we can’t assume everything is correct especially when Istaroth being the origin of time itself contradicts other information.

 

[MSahla]

Because one thing about Nibelung sounds ooc?

He only got that one questionable thing and consider the rest of it is questionables, which is bs.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

What is Zhongli's source? My ass.
Like.. How do you even consider Zhongli isn't reliable when they talking about them, can you just not being denial already?

I'm done with you buddy, talking to a denial ppl literally just talking to a wall.

Glad you admit you’re making stuff up.

 

[MSahla]

Yeah. If the book has a single piece of wrong or even faulty information then we can’t assume everything is correct especially when Istaroth being the origin of time itself contradicts other information.

Nothings contradicted istaroth being time itself.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Nothings contradicted istaroth being time itself.

Didn’t you say you were done with me? Go away then.

 

[MSahla]

Glad you admit you’re making stuff up.

Not really, i have my evidences, and you here trying to be denial, and even questioning Zhongli's claim.

You just don't want to accept the truth and the canonicity of the game.

 

[Arkenis]

Okay that isn't how you analyze information. One thing being wrong or possibly wrong, doesn't mean everything else in the group becomes deniable. We just don't do that for anything or else we just discredit everything on the wiki or in a dictionary. But okay I see that since there's a contradiction elsewhere maybe it sounds likely it could be wrong? But that still is acknowledged in the hymns that her existence is paradoxical no?

 

[Furina003]

Time clearly existed though as Nibelung and the Moons can manipulate it. We even know the concept of life existed as the Hydro Dragon controls life.

Nowhere does it say the boundaries of the world are these 4 concepts. The boundaries can just as easily refer to things like Erosions, the False Sky, Fate etc which are all rules of Teyvat.

those limitations Referring to the 4 aspects that support the world bro, you can read the scan that I provided.

Legend has it that in the ancient past before even the concept of time was created, these creatures thrived with their progenitors and offspring in a land of verdant grass and colossal trees, traversing through slick soil like fishes diving through the wet.

There is no text that explains that the Nibelungs created time teyvat, they only created a prison whose time began when the prison was created and time there moved backwards, the Nibelungs could indeed create spacetime like the prison, but the time of Teyvat was not a creation of the Nibelungs, because the world before the arrival of the heavenly principle did not have such boundaries.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Not really, i have my evidences, and you here trying to be denial, and even questioning Zhongli's claim.

You just don't want to accept the truth and the canonicity of the game.

Ah yes you gave your source which is exactly why you answered my question with “my ass”.

Again you said you were done. Are you incapable of leaving an argument?

 

[MSahla]

Ah yes you gave your source which is exactly why you answered my question with “my ass”.

Yeah bros actually don't get the joke, o7

 

[MSahla]

Okay that isn't how you analyze information. One thing being wrong or possibly wrong, doesn't mean everything else in the group becomes deniable. We just don't do that for anything or else we just discredit everything on the wiki or in a dictionary.

He could only found 1 questionable thing in that book and nothing else because the rest are accurates.

But okay I see that since there's a contradiction elsewhere maybe it sounds likely it could be wrong? But that still is acknowledged in the hymns that her existence is paradoxical no?

Yeah, and it matches everything of her being time itself.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Okay that isn't how you analyze information. One thing being wrong or possibly wrong, doesn't mean everything else in the group becomes deniable. We just don't do that for anything or else we just discredit everything on the wiki or in a dictionary. But okay I see that since there's a contradiction elsewhere maybe it sounds likely it could be wrong? But that still is acknowledged in the hymns that her existence is paradoxical no?

I’m not saying the book is wrong, I’m just saying lets wait for more evidence and not take the book as gospel. If Istaroth gets confirmed to be origin of time and a paradoxical existence then great but until then lets wait and see.

those limitations Referring to the 4 aspects that support the world bro, you can read the scan that I provided.



There is no text that explains that the Nibelungs created time teyvat, they only created a prison whose time began when the prison was created and time there moved backwards, the Nibelungs could indeed create spacetime like the prison, but the time of Teyvat was not a creation of the Nibelungs, because the world before the arrival of the heavenly principle did not have such boundaries.

Well I won’t argue that point further. I just read it as The Shades transcend the rules set on Teyvat not what they themselves represent.

I didn’t say Nibelung made time right? I said time as a concept existed before Istaroth.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yeah bros actually don't get the joke, o7

At the end of the day you still didn’t asnwer the question or give a source besides your ass. Good work

 

[MSahla]

I’m not saying the book is wrong,

Yes you are? Why are u even lying right now?

 

[Furina003]

I didn’t say Nibelung made time right? I said time as a concept existed before Istaroth.

there has never been a statement like this

 

[MSahla]

At the end of the day you still didn’t asnwer the question or give a source besides your ass. Good work

Oh i did, it's just you being ignorance and don't want to admit it.
At the end of the day, YOU are just being DENIAL.

 

[Furina003]

yeah i don't really have a problem with that, istaroth is literally called the mother of time and all time, and we also have scans that they transcend spacetime itself, which means they are already superior to 4dimensional spacetime, maybe not just l2c, i think they can get levels higher than l2c

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes you are? Why are u even lying right now?

Gee now who’s the one who can’t read? I know for a fact that I previously told you I don’t believe the book is 100% wrong but that we can’t say it is 100% correct either.

there has never been a statement like this

So how did the Nibelung make the Moons with power over time?

Oh i did, it's just you being ignorance and don't want to admit it.
At the end of the day, YOU are just being DENIAL.

Whatever you say.