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Those were for Hope, yeah. Frankly, they're outdated since the blog was made pre-regular humans having magic, but it's what's being used for now so it is what it is.
Oh yeah, Kratos killed David Jaffe once, in 2005.Bro what
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Kratos vs Kevin Kaslana | God of War vs Hoyoverse | (1-1-11)
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The Info Analysis goes both ways, given that Kratos has the same and uses it liberally.
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Oh yeah...he could use this huh...
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I mean, we had entire discussion of battle around it all these comments.
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Kevin has Enhanced Resistance both in his base form and his Deliverance, with the Deliverance one obviously being stronger in terms of potency, I want to point out that Kevin's Time, Causality and Fate Manipulation is onto reality itself instead of the target (Kratos), so at the very least Kratos would have to showcase him being inherently resistant to all forms of Time Manipulation, not just one specific usage
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Fate powers > Amulet of Oroborus > Gem of Oroborus
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Apparently it's something that can turn people to fiction here especially (R>F Hax) through Project Stigma on the blog so like it's not just reality, there are more abilities on the Authority of Finality that if I say it one by one it would be tiring but yeah how would Kratos counter Enhanced Time, Causality and Fate Manipulation from the Authority of Finality itself? Iirc Kevin should have this one too:
Also, how would Kratos counter this? Given this is basically the Authority of Void, it's listed there for Kevin in his Authority of Finality section
Kiana Kaslana
Kiana Kaslana (キアナ・カスラナ, Kiana Kasurana?) is the main heroine of "Honkai Impact 3rd". Originally known as K-423, she is a clone of the original Kiana Kaslana, the child of Siegfried Kaslana and Cecilia Schariac, rescued by Siegfried and the original Kiana. During her rescue however, the original...vsbattles.fandom.com
He resists all of that from both the Amulet of Ouroboros and the Fates, whose power governs all of the Greek world and beyond. Check the Power of the Fates section of the Magic Page and his demigod resistance section.
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I never got it confirmed outright, if Kratos starts with 1 less layer of resistance to hax Kevin has then Kevin kills him before he can RE or AD, not to mention he can destroy/corrupt Valhalla and permanently cut off Kratos's resurrection source
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Seemingly, yeah
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Does he also resist Higher-Dimensional Manipulation?
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We already argued with those assumptions of disadvantage.
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Speaking of, how many layers of time hax does Kevin resist?
What does this even do here? If it's just plain manipulation of higher-D space, Garm could eat all of a Low 1-C reality and chew through its space-time, yet do nothing to Kratos.
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6 layers with enhanced resistance to it so like 6 layers with potency, it's not just manipulation of higher-D space as seen here
https://imgur.com/a/vrHj8Vy
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Yeah except now it's been made abundantly clear that there is a major issue here, if per your logic Kratos can grow to constantly get +1 layer of resistance, yet his strongest key (which is the peak of the verse) caps at 6 layers as Planck said how are you arguing he can go beyond the peak of the verse when it's explicitly been stated he's not that powerful?
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Kratos has instant stamina recovery and infinite stamina with rage, so he isn't losing attrition battle. Also Kratos isn't just face-tanking everything here, spamming Draupnir and Olymp Blade are gonna give him fast track boost in battle, reducing Kevin's combat apptitude.
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Planck and me also answered that.
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Rage does not last forever tho, so he does not have truly infinite stamina
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....? His RE isn't arbitrarily capped at 6 layers, that's as high as we have him cause that's what we see and Kratos had that form for 5 mins.
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Also like Hope is giga invul and potency. The gap in potency in that layer alone might as well be infinite
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Is logic manipulation even accepted. I don't see it in the logic thread
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Okay, but do you not see the issue you've presented? His RE has to have a cap, otherwise it's NLF. If he can RE in a weaker key and become stronger than (as you said) his strongest key (which is the peak of the verse) then why is his strongest key, his...yknow...strongest key?
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game mech and in-character stuff. Check his stamina section.
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But can Kratos regenerate or withstand his limbs from being cut off like this?
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Make of it as you will, but a massively enhanced, transcendent form of Zeus, who also has Reactive Evolution that allows him to overcome resistance, is not only helpless to Hope, but Athena confirms that he would never be able to overcome it.
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Assuming hope is normal layer lmao
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Well it's there on Bronya's page, it redirects to Logic Manipulation on the page
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I think you maybe meant to respond to me lol
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It is not NLF to say that a character who can evolve more layers... can continue to do so, what? Hope predates his Valhalla key, its power isn't any sort of bottleneck on what he can do later, it's just the strongest he's been so far. He can still grow even in his Hope state and otherwise.
NLF would be to say he can RE 6-D plot hax, or instantly RE infinite layered hax, not that he can continue doing what he does and has showcased.
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How far can he RE then? Because the way you and especially Gilver have been mentioning it gives the impression you guys are saying damn near inf or 100s of layers, even though afaik there's no proof for that
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check his demigod RE section, and that's demigod, not even God Kratos, and GoW3 EoG Kratos is different beast altogether even before Hope. Zeus is also similar.
Also let's not ignore how busted Draupnir and BoO are.
The Draupnir Spear (God of War)
The Draupnir Spear is a magic, self-duplicating spear forged from its namesake magical ring by The Lady of the Forge, with Brok's aid, to kill Heimdall and overcome his foresight. It can command the power of the winds to create powerful tornadoes and gusts as well as vacuums to destroy its foes...
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- Absorption, Elemental Manipulation, Resistance Bestowal and Resistance Negation (With Draupnir's Siphon, which can absorb an opponent’s innate energy or element, and grant its wielder enhanced resistance to said power<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Draupnir_Spear_(God_of_War)#cite_note-GoWRagnarok-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>. When said energy or element is absorbed from an enemy, it also removes their resistance to it, as shown by how Helwakers can become frozen by their frost after being Siphoned when they are initially immune to frost from even<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Draupnir_Spear_(God_of_War)#cite_note-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> the Leviathan Axe)
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- Power Absorption, Life Force Absorption and Power Nullification, which includes Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2 and 3) and Regeneration Negation (Up to Low-Mid; The Blade absorbed Kratos's godly powers after he drained them into the Blade, which nullified his ability to use his former powers without the Blade and rendered him mortal<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blade_of_Olympus#cite_note-GoW2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> to the point of being fatally wounded<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blade_of_Olympus#cite_note-GoW2NovelChapter6-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> by the Colossus's hands slamming on him.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blade_of_Olympus#cite_note-GoW2-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> The Blade also nullified Athena's godly powers by draining her life-force, also rendering her mortal<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blade_of_Olympus#cite_note-GoW2NovelChapter49-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>)
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Bro can't RE climbing or ladders
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I don't see it on the page? Plus if what you're saying is true it's not actually logic manip as it was on the page because it existed there before the actual ability and the thread thats suppose to evaluate all supposed logic manipulation. You're gonna have to get that evaluated before you claim it's a thing.
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Didn't know that was a thing lol
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Jokes aside, he doesn't need to go a hundred layers, and ever-growing layers aren't anything out there in and of themselves at all. He can evolve and has done so mid-fight; he just needs to be able to do that fast enough for his opponent to not perma kill him before he eclipses them. It's how he killed Persephone, it's how he killed Ares, it's how he killed the Fates, it's how he killed Hades, and it's how he killed Zeus.
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Yeah, I guess we can leave the layered stuff at that then. For now, I'll just sum up the major things getting in the way for them (you're free to offer feedback)
- Corruption of Valhalla
- Type 8/LGR Kratos can't deal with via IM2
- AZ (somewhat shaky due to resurrection from Valhalla)
- Singularity rebuild
- Void lances (idk if voidnether ever clarified these)
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He can't? HE/Imaginary Energy has a metaphysical aspect that doesn't exist in GoW (IM2)
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