Kratos vs Kevin Kaslana | God of War vs Hoyoverse | (1-1-11)

[AlipheeseXIV]

I meant dying might not be necessary.

Yeah it might not, but on the off chance it is it's still a necessary aspect to discuss beforehand

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I mean, that's as much as we get. Restricting it to in-universe abilities is how we usually go, hence my mention of what all magic users in the setting are capable of. If even mortals can't permanently off each other, despite not having innate resistances to concept hax, then it would go that far.

So you're arguing it can restore his concept and saying it's psuedo HG resurrection? What do you have listed for his wincons?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Draupnir Spear danmaku, Draupnir/Olympus blade energy drain and adaptation/resistance negation based on it. Hit until dead.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

Draupnir Spear danmaku, Draupnir/Olympus blade energy drain and adaptation/resistance negation based on it. Hit until dead.

That's not gonna work, Kevin has LGR and type 8 immortality, he also resists energy drain and resistance negation. The other stuff is fairly standard

 

[Planck69]

So you're arguing it can restore his concept and saying it's psuedo HG resurrection? What do you have listed for his wincons?

Yes, essentially. As for win conditions;

• Reactive Evolution allows his powers to eclipse his opponent's resistances.
• The Draupnir Spear has Resistance Negation that can bypass resistance to resistance negation and can also grow as he evolves, and did mid-battle against Thor.
• His resurrection giving him ample window to adapt, failing mid-battle adaptation.
• The Blade of Olympus can absorb and drain the powers of those it stabs and can generate flames and a field of energy that does the same.
• Valor allows him to absorb attacks and status effects, heal himself and amplifying himself with said energy.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

That's not gonna work, Kevin has LGR and type 8 immortality, he also resists energy drain and resistance negation. The other stuff is fairly standard

Easily overcome tbh. He did with Zeus who had that. Refering to energy drain and Res neg.
I almost mentioned POH, but that isn't the key, but just realised he kinda negs Type 8 shamelessly. But this is Valhalla.

What type of Type 8 is it?

 

[Planck69]

You know, typing it out, I just realized how much of an RE merchant Kratos can be at times.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yes, essentially. As for win conditions;

• Reactive Evolution allows his powers to eclipse his opponent's resistances.
• The Draupnir Spear has Resistance Negation that can bypass resistance to resistance negation and can also grow as he evolves, and did mid-battle against Thor.
• His resurrection giving him ample window to adapt, failing mid-battle adaptation.
• The Blade of Olympus can absorb and drain the powers of those it stabs and can generate flames and a field of energy that does the same.
• Valor allows him to absorb attacks and status effects, heal himself and amplifying himself with said energy.

I don't think the draupnir strat works here due to the LGR but going for Kevin's wincons that I myself am personally aware of (others will probably come and mention more) you're free to chime in on some of this stuff

• AZ aura (ability should be there even though it's not, but the values are lmao)
• Kevin also has resistance negation that also works on people who resist it
• Nigh instant power absorption
• Stats reduction/power null (even against those who resist it)
• Corruption, he can corrupt entire realms and become omniscient & omnipresent in them
• BFR which he can restrict other people's abilities to leave (even those who have resistance to this)
• Duplication
• Kevin can kill type 1 CM, IM2, minds & souls
• Macro-quantum deconstruction

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Easily overcome tbh. He did with Zeus who had that. Refering to energy drain and Res neg.

He has resistance to energy drain and res neg

What type of Type 8 is it?

CM1/IM2, last I checked GoW characters can't interact with IM2 just CM1

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I don't think the draupnir strat works here due to the LGR but going for Kevin's wincons that I myself am personally aware of (others will probably come and mention more) you're free to chime in on some of this stuff

• AZ aura (ability should be there even though it's not, but the values are lmao)
• Kevin also has resistance negation that also works on people who resist it
• Nigh instant power absorption
• Stats reduction/power null (even against those who resist it)
• Corruption, he can corrupt entire realms and become omniscient & omnipresent in them
• BFR which he can restrict other people's abilities to leave (even those who have resistant to this)
• Duplication
• Kevin can kill type 1 CM, minds & souls
• Macro-quantum deconstruction

This doesn't even mention the finality stuff, but I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in on that

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I don't think the draupnir strat works here due to the LGR but going for Kevin's wincons that I myself am personally aware of (others will probably come and mention more) you're free to chime in on some of this stuff

• AZ aura (ability should be there even though it's not, but the values are lmao)
• Kevin also has resistance negation that also works on people who resist it
• Nigh instant power absorption
• Stats reduction/power null (even against those who resist it)
• Corruption, he can corrupt entire realms and become omniscient & omnipresent in them
• BFR which he can restrict other people's abilities to leave (even those who have resistant to this)
• Duplication
• Kevin can kill type 1 CM, minds & souls
• Macro-quantum deconstruction

All of this is resisted in layers. Ares has most of these, Brother kings are superior, Zeus is AD/RE merchant on his own and even Zeus got negged by Kratos.

 

[Voidnether]

This doesn't even mention the finality stuff, but I'll let someone more knowledgeable chime in on that

Finality is just hax merchant tbh

 

[Planck69]

I don't think the draupnir strat works here due to the LGR but going for Kevin's wincons that I myself am personally aware of (others will probably come and mention more) you're free to chime in on some of this stuff

• AZ aura (ability should be there even though it's not, but the values are lmao)

Should be there

• Kevin also has resistance negation that also works on people who resist it

Fairs, though this circles back to Kratos's adaptation, given that Zeus did the same to him.

• Nigh instant power absorption

Kratos resists this, given he can tank the same Blade of Olympus that could previously skewer and drain him immediately.

• Stats reduction/power null (even against those who resist it)

This and the above are resisted, so it comes down to layers.

• Corruption, he can corrupt entire realms and become omniscient & omnipresent in them

This depends on mechanism, but alright.

• BFR which he can restrict other people's abilities to leave (even those who have resistant to this)

• Duplication

Zeus's reheated nachoes smh

• Kevin can kill type 1 CM, minds & souls

Random draugr's reheated nachoes smh

• Macro-quantum deconstruction

Kratos can facetank magic from his clones. Which includes Poseidon's rage, which can deconstruct wraiths, which are Type 1 concepts, as all souls are.

This largely comes down to if Kevin (Low 1-C called Kevin, really?) can permanently deal with Kratos fast enough, overall.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

All of this is resisted in layers. Ares has most of these, Brother kings are superior, Zeus is AD/RE merchant on his own and even Zeus got negged by Kratos.

Kratos has AZ layered resistance? Also we have similar feats, Kevin even in base is alr above other characters who have layered resistance, not to mention this still doesn't change the fact that without IM2 interaction Kratos can't fully interact with Herrscher cores since he only has CM1 which cores alr inherently have

 

[Arkansalter2]

Wouldn't Kratos outskill by a ton?

 

[Planck69]

Kratos has AZ layered resistance? Also we have similar feats, Kevin even in base is alr above other characters who have layered resistance, not to mention this still doesn't change the fact that without IM2 interaction Kratos can't fully interact with Herrscher cores since he only has CM1 which cores alr inherently have

Kratos doesn't deal with Absolute Zero, but the rest is dealt with. So that's a fair win condition, albeit it runs back into the whole resurrection discussion.

Also, while not AZ, Kratos is fine in a realm so cold, the aformentioned flames don't burn there.

 

[Planck69]

Wouldn't Kratos outskill by a ton?

Possibly but this match isn't coming down to skill lol.

 

[Voidnether]

I don't think the draupnir strat works here due to the LGR but going for Kevin's wincons that I myself am personally aware of (others will probably come and mention more) you're free to chime in on some of this stuff

• AZ aura (ability should be there even though it's not, but the values are lmao)
• Kevin also has resistance negation that also works on people who resist it
• Nigh instant power absorption
• Stats reduction/power null (even against those who resist it)
• Corruption, he can corrupt entire realms and become omniscient & omnipresent in them
• BFR which he can restrict other people's abilities to leave (even those who have resistance to this)
• Duplication
• Kevin can kill type 1 CM, IM2, minds & souls
• Macro-quantum deconstruction

• Enhanced Ice Manipulation, Extreme Cold Aura & Absolute Zero (-273.15°C; Active Honkai Reaction greatly amplifies the abilities inherited from Honkai gene donors, with Kevin's ice becoming cold enough to freeze the flames of Shamash's Zeroth Power. Kevin can even freeze things at Absolute Zero temperature)

AZ Aura is on the AHR Diabolic section

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah...I am going to complain abt that bro dw

This depends on mechanism, but alright.

This largely comes down to if Kevin (Low 1-C called Kevin, really?) can permanently deal with Kratos fast enough, overall.

Yeah he's called Kevin it's a running joke atp lmao, alr so out of these we got a few. I think Kratos's RE/AD will be a problem, though due to the extra metaphysical aspect inherent to herrscher cores + minds & souls I don't know if Kratos can actually permanently kill him. So far we have really just 1 wincon, since as you said the AZ is a bit shaky due to the resurrection

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Kratos doesn't deal with Absolute Zero, but the rest is dealt with. So that's a fair win condition, albeit it runs back into the whole resurrection discussion.

Also, while not AZ, Kratos is fine in a realm so cold, the aformentioned flames don't burn there.

Helheim stonks, could probably realistically get AZ out of that actually but that's a topic for another discussion

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah...I am going to complain abt that bro dw

Yeah he's called Kevin it's a running joke atp lmao, alr so out of these we got a few. I think Kratos's RE/AD will be a problem, though due to the extra metaphysical aspect inherent to herrscher cores + minds & souls I don't know if Kratos can actually permanently kill him. So far we have really just 1 wincon, since as you said the AZ is a bit shaky due to the resurrection

Actually 2 wincons, Kratos doesn't have anything against Logic Manipulation from the Authority of Truth, it redirects to Logic Manipulation already on Bronya's page but idk why it's still Law Manipulation on Kevin's part (Authority of Finality section), main use of this Logic Manipulation is through Subjective Reality where Kevin could turn nonexistence and fantasies into reality

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Actually 2 wincons, Kratos doesn't have anything against Logic Manipulation from the Authority of Truth, it redirects to Logic Manipulation already on Bronya's page but idk why it's still Law Manipulation on Kevin's part (Authority of Finality section)

Also, I forgot to mention the void lances. Those are pretty potent

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I mean Kratos is winning the battle of attrition here, coming back stronger and stronger

 

[Pepsimanslover]

Logic Manipulation from the Authority of Truth, it redirects to Logic Manipulation already on Bronya's page but idk why it's still Law Manipulation on Kevin's part (

What does the Logic Manipulation do to be exact?

Nvm, saw the edit just now.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Well idk, Planck mentioned that only hope Kratos & Fear Zeus go up to 6 layers of resistance for the honkai stuff. Not sure how Valhalla Kratos stacks up against hope Kratos

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Actually 2 wincons, Kratos doesn't have anything against Logic Manipulation from the Authority of Truth, it redirects to Logic Manipulation already on Bronya's page but idk why it's still Law Manipulation on Kevin's part (Authority of Finality section),

Some1 should change or fix that

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Hope Kratos is like giga invul to the point Fear was hurting itself trying to touch him, narratively it's entirely different tier. Even Athena is afraid of it.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I mean Kratos is winning the battle of attrition here, coming back stronger and stronger

I don't think he actually RE's the void lances, since they shift properties between "real" and "imaginary" and there's not anything like this in GoW (that he's RE'd as they're CM1/IM2 void hax) so those are permanent stop gaps to his growth. Also Kevin has superior stamina to Kratos, yeah Kratos can keep coming back (so can Kevin) but he'll tire out faster

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Hope Kratos is like giga invul to the point Fear was hurting itself trying to touch him, narratively it's entirely different tier. Even Athena is afraid of it.

This is Valhalla key breh

 

[Voidnether]

What does the Logic Manipulation do to be exact?

Edited it. But Kevin is able to manifest nonexistence and fantasies into reality through said Logic Manipulation, IM2 also correlates with this when I linked scans to the Authority of Truth section (relating to Project Stigma)

More about this is explained here tbh

HoYoverse Cosmology

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It should be Plot Manipulation too but it doesn't cover that, everything on the blog should be enough that like its applicable use is that Kevin could turn Kratos into fiction since not only he's the initiator of Project Stigma, I remember it somewhere that Kiana could turn reality into fiction iirc

 

[Planck69]

Actually 2 wincons, Kratos doesn't have anything against Logic Manipulation from the Authority of Truth, it redirects to Logic Manipulation already on Bronya's page but idk why it's still Law Manipulation on Kevin's part (Authority of Finality section), main use of this Logic Manipulation is through Subjective Reality where Kevin could turn reality into fiction and vice versa

If the main use is Subjective Reality, then that shouldn't be an issue, given that outright Reality Warping from the Furies is resisted by a demigod Kratos. How does he use it?

Also, I forgot to mention the void lances. Those are pretty potent

Kratos does resist Void Manipulation, unless there's more to these.

Well idk, Planck mentioned that only hope Kratos & Fear Zeus go up to 6 layers of resistance for the honkai stuff. Not sure how Valhalla Kratos stacks up against hope Kratos

Power of Hope Kratos is the strongest being in the setting, stronger than every other pantheon that exists, until stated otherwise. That said, on a more practical note;

• Every single power and resistance is affected by Hope and scaled up accordingly.
• He can interact with and potentially kill Ascended Athena, who's so abstract that God Kratos, with the prior layers, couldn't touch her at all.
• He has Type 8 negation.
• He is invulnerable down to his concept, as Hope permeates his being on all levels.
• Fear Zeus, with 6 layers of soul/concept/mind hax + 3+ layers of power null can't touch him at all.
• He has Type 4 that worked against Zeus destroying even his magic and lifeforce seemingly.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

It should be Plot Manipulation too but it doesn't cover that, everything on the blog should be enough that like its applicable use is that Kevin could turn Kratos into fiction since not only he's the initiator of Project Stigma, I remember it somewhere that Kiana could turn reality into fiction iirc

You mean the subjective hax from Sirin's void lances?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

If the main use is Subjective Reality, then that shouldn't be an issue, given that outright Reality Warping from the Furies is resisted by a demigod Kratos. How does he use it?

Kratos does resist Void Manipulation, unless there's more to these.

There's more to them, I'll let voidnether answer you tho

Power of Hope Kratos is the strongest being in the setting, stronger than every other pantheon that exists, until stated otherwise. That said, on a more practical note;

• Every single power and resistance is affected by Hope and scaled up accordingly.
• He can interact with and potentially kill Ascended Athena, who's so abstract that God Kratos, with the prior layers, couldn't touch her at all.
• He has Type 8 negation.
• He is invulnerable down to his concept, as Hope permeates his being on all levels.
• Fear Zeus, with 6 layers of soul/concept/mind hax + 3+ layers of power null can't touch him at all.
• He has Type 4 that worked against Zeus destroying even his magic and lifeforce seemingly.

Yeah ik hope Kratos is peak of the verse, but does that scale to Valhalla?

 

[Planck69]

There's more to them, I'll let voidnether answer you tho

Yeah ik hope Kratos is peak of the verse, but does that scale to Valhalla?

Like, ability-wise? No, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean. He has a sliver of Hope but has yet to do anything with it.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Kevin could turn Kratos into fiction

And then he becomes real that he kill Kevin like he killed David Jaffe

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Like, ability-wise? No, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean. He has a sliver of Hope but has yet to do anything with it.

So for this match, the hope shit is out of the equation then right? What about regarding the 6 layers you mentioned here?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

And then he becomes real that he kill Kevin like he killed David Jaffe

Bro what

 

[Voidnether]

If the main use is Subjective Reality, then that shouldn't be an issue, given that outright Reality Warping from the Furies is resisted by a demigod Kratos. How does he use it?

Apparently it's something that can turn people to fiction here especially (R>F Hax) through Project Stigma on the blog so like it's not just reality, there are more abilities on the Authority of Finality that if I say it one by one it would be tiring but yeah how would Kratos counter Enhanced Time, Causality and Fate Manipulation from the Authority of Finality itself? Iirc Kevin should have this one too:

Greatly Enhanced Matter Manipulation, Energy Manipulation & Heat Manipulation (Up to Atomic; Kiana can control fire by manipulating heat energy at a molecular level. Kiana's Authority can melt ice at absolute zero temperatures, and should be comparable to Kalpas' flames, which are so strong that they are capable of burning and destroying the entire Elysian Realm. Kiana's flames partially bypass elemental resistances)

Also, how would Kratos counter this? Given this is basically the Authority of Void, it's listed there for Kevin in his Authority of Finality section

Kiana Kaslana

Kiana Kaslana (キアナ・カスラナ, Kiana Kasurana?) is the main heroine of "Honkai Impact 3rd". Originally known as K-423, she is a clone of the original Kiana Kaslana, the child of Siegfried Kaslana and Cecilia Schariac, rescued by Siegfried and the original Kiana. During her rescue however, the original...

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[Shiroiyo]

Kevin has type 4 immo from DD Authorities and a really busted stamina, info analysis (which it seems Kratos doesn't resist?) he'd know Kratos' weakness and powers, that should be enough for him to land a wincon, I also want to bring a wincon here Kevin could nuke the battlefield with singularity rebuild.