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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Y’all are looking way too much into a statement Kubo made that no definitive answer. Though this would cause a stroke for people that take CFYOW scaling as fact lol
 
I mean, the problem is that people are looking into this statement as an anti-feat for Zaraki's CFYOW scaling in the first place. It's not, Zaraki has never scaled to Aizen and this isn't even a scaling question unless you really try to push it.
 
I would be LMAO if Aizen has an inner monologue wondering if Almighty is preventing him from his instant regeneration (immortality) from working.
 
ichimojii said:
It's common sense buddy in the soul society arc kenpachi was no match for aizen. Arrancar Arc kenpachi is no match for aizen. TYBW zaraki is no match for tybw aizen. All these fights would be completely one sided so it would be boring. What else would he mean by boring?

Why would a fight be boring to write in the first place? It's because it would be one sided in terms of ap since as I said before at all points in the story aizen eclipsed zaraki. It's not the deep
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Wasn't there a novel statement that states that Aizen sealed Zaraki in Hueco Mundo since he was one of the two people he don't want to face till he fused with the hogyoku?
 
Specterxxxx said:
I finally worked on the new royal palace to seretei distance and this new distance is almost 20 times longer than the original calc. I also think this new one is a better fit for the narrative as scaling God tier Ichigo’s shunpo to that of regular characters is a very very unreasonable downplay. No hate to arc tho

I want to hear your thoughts on this new one before I post it for evaluation
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calc stacking like the current one, just bit more elaborate, to be exact this is simply hiding calculations

and the assumption is as wrong as the current one, Ichigo literally reaches SS by just free falling the entire distance in like an hour or a few? (i dont remember for sure, but not even a whole day)

i just wanted to start writing a thread about that and decided to check discussion thread lol
 
Excellence616 said:
Wasn't there a novel statement that states that Aizen sealed Zaraki in Hueco Mundo since he was one of the two people he don't want to face till he fused with the hogyoku?
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There's an explanation like that, but not exactly as you remember. They're taking precautions against them because of Yamamoto's power and Zaraki's potential to become stronger. So the current SS/Arrancar arc isn't afraid of Zaraki. We also see in the same novel that Aizen >>> Cien => Zaraki.
 
Mommyleona said:
calc stacking like the current one, just bit more elaborate, to be exact this is simply hiding calculations

and the assumption is as wrong as the current one, Ichigo literally reaches SS by just free falling the entire distance in like an hour or a few? (i dont remember for sure, but not even a whole day)

i just wanted to start writing a thread about that and decided to check discussion thread lol
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How can that be calc stacking if the lightning speed is a statement? He is simply calculating a distance.
He's using no other variables.

Also, Ichigo isn't free falling either... He's clearly pushing himself down with his own speed.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
How can that be calc stacking if the lightning speed is a statement? He is simply calculating a distance.
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completely ignored the hiding calculations part for what?

plus the other issue is using multiple steps (Tokinada --> Soi Fon --> Tenjiro --> Ichigo) which is not allowed.
Not to mention half the chain doesn't even use statements

obviously you are free to try to argue it isn't violating the hiding calcs rule just don't be surprised when the CGM rejects it lol
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
completely ignored the hiding calculations part for what?

plus the other issue is using multiple steps (Tokinada --> Soi Fon --> Tenjiro --> Ichigo) which is not allowed.
Not to mention half the chain doesn't even use statements

obviously you are free to try to argue it isn't violating the hiding calcs rule just don't be surprised when the CGM rejects it lol
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In our previous calculation, we comically equated the speed of Ts Ichigo, one of the god-tier characters in the universe, to the speed of base Grimmjow, whose speed is confirmed to be lightning fast. It would be far-fetched to argue that Ts Ichigo's shunpo (speed) couldn't be lightning fast in the end. The chosen methods may seem little wrong to you, but Specter's method is leading towards a fair outcomes.
 
Ralp0054 said:
In our previous calculation, we comically equated the speed of Ts Ichigo, one of the god-tier characters in the universe, to the speed of base Grimmjow, whose speed is confirmed to be lightning fast. It would be far-fetched to argue that Ts Ichigo's shunpo (speed) couldn't be lightning fast in the end. The chosen methods may seem little wrong to you, but Specter's method is leading towards a fair outcomes.
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Why are you bringing that up when I’m disagreeing with something else?

Please don’t tell me it’s a fair outcome when you have to make 20 different leaps in logic and add several contradictions to inflate the numbers as high as possible, I don’t wish to put down or bad mouth the scale even if I disagree with it don’t get me wrong but when you say shit like that it gets hard to take this seriously
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Why are you bringing that up when I’m disagreeing with something else?

Please don’t tell me it’s a fair outcome when you have to make 20 different leaps in logic and add several contradictions to inflate the numbers as high as possible, I don’t wish to put down or bad mouth the scale even if I disagree with it don’t get me wrong but when you say shit like that it gets hard to take this seriously
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I'm saying that some methods can be wrong, but if we do the job correctly, by the book, the result will be similar. I have a habit of expressing myself a bit poorly.
This whole stacking thing still confuses me.This is partly due to Bleach's own speed system.
 
Do you not see the two self contradictory statements you start out with? The counters exist because the calc is not being done by the book
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Do you not see the two self contradictory statements you start out with? The counters exist because the calc is not being done by the book
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Could you simply state the conditions required for statements not to be counted as calc stacking? No matter how we try to address this, it's a mess.
I try to learn about any problematic methods, if there are any.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
This is because they consider Hikone to be Ichigo's equal since he was said to be a potential soul king.
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Which makes no sense tbh. That ranges from TS Ichigo to HoS TB Ichigo. Yet for some people assumed it meant he was equal to TB Ichigo when that was never stated or implied anywhere. All based on a possibly wrong translation of “Aizen could’ve beaten Hikone, if he wanted too” when Aizen doesn’t scale to TB Ichigo or SK Yhwach at all lol.

Aizen sensed SK Yhwach vs TS and TS HoS Ichigo and straight up knew he didn’t have the AP to match them. So he chose to act as a decoy and stall Yhwach until Ichigo came because he knew Ichigo was the only one capable of harming Yhwach
 
Ralp0054 said:
Could you simply state the conditions required for statements not to be counted as calc stacking? No matter how we try to address this, it's a mess.
I try to learn about any problematic methods, if there are any.
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It’s not calc stacking lol
 
SilentBob34 said:
Which makes no sense tbh. That ranges from TS Ichigo to HoS TB Ichigo. Yet for some people assumed it meant he was equal to TB Ichigo when that was never stated or implied anywhere. All based on a possibly wrong translation of “Aizen could’ve beaten Hikone, if he wanted too” when Aizen doesn’t scale to TB Ichigo or SK Yhwach at all lol.

Aizen sensed SK Yhwach vs TS and TS HoS Ichigo and straight up knew he didn’t have the AP to match them. So he chose to act as a decoy and stall Yhwach until Ichigo came because he knew Ichigo was the only one capable of harming Yhwach
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So the actual thing atm is hikone scaling to all of CFYOW Ginjo including the emotion amped getsuga which currently scales to True Bankai Ichigo.
Im not the biggest fan of how that whole thing is done at the moment,but i don't think it's worth touching until cour 4 is over imo.
 
ichimojii said:
Why is it always people trying to downgrade bleach? I feel like it gets attacked more then any other verse in the big 3
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The lack of self awareness is odd, the other two verses get downgrades on a seasonal basis, OP lost almost all their high 6a calcs and later on their tier 5 stuff too, KT ended up doing this shit because of how much One Piece got attacked, Damage deadass hops from one piece to naruto to one piece to naruto in his downgrade sprees but hasn't made a thread for bleach in years, there was a time when we had our ETSO calc bombarded with multiple downgrade threads at the same time, not to mention the people constantly making threads trying to kick one piece out of baseline ftl

How you even manage to convince yourself you're a victim when bleach got away with so much more and was untouched for years is beyond me man
 
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Ghostimuscrime said:
The lack of self awareness is odd, the other two verses get downgrades on a seasonal basis, OP lost almost all their high 6a calcs and later on their tier 5 stuff too, KT ended up doing this shit because of how much One Piece got attacked, Damage deadass hops from one piece to naruto to one piece to naruto in his downgrade sprees but hasn't made a thread for bleach in years, there was a time when we had our ETSO calc bombarded with multiple downgrade threads at the time, not to mention the people constantly making threads trying to kick one piece out of baseline ftl

How you even manage to convince yourself you're a victim when bleach got away with so much more and was untouched for years is beyond me man
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I'm just saying I rarely see any Naruto downgrade stuff. As far as overall push back bleach definitely gets more of that imo.

Lol yea I saw the etso arguments their so bad. It can be debunked.
 
look up damage/kt threads lol, 2022~2024 had naruto go thru so much downgrades we weren't even able to implement changes for all of them, all the mid tier ratings on the profiles rn are based on stuff nuked long ago, there was a time we had naruto tier below black clover and one piece ap wise lmao

someone also tried to take down light fang and kirn not too long ago as well
ichimojii said:
As far as overall push back bleach definitely gets more of that imo.
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can you show 1-2 examples of this?
 
ichimojii said:
Yea man I saw planet level luffy and thought I was on the wrong site
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Oh, I'm not talking about that. Currently, basically every single high tier One Piece profile is outdated because all of the calculations got nuked because of the change in standards regarding earthquake calculations on planets that are very different from real life Earth and some other standard changes.

It also doesn't help that a lot of scaling between characters was already contentious.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
How can that be calc stacking if the lightning speed is a statement? He is simply calculating a distance.
He's using no other variables.

Also, Ichigo isn't free falling either... He's clearly pushing himself down with his own speed.
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The statement used for Grimmjow's so called lightning fast travel speed, doesnt even mention speed and i doubt it should be used like it is right now basically to inflate the distance as much as possible

it's describing his movements, erratic and sharp like predators move, not equating his speed to that of a lightning
 
We need a concrete avenue to get the god tiers to ftl that doesn't rely on timeframe calcs in case they break calc stacking rules

maybe someone can goon with the ichibei slap thingy and slap multipliers on it till it becomes ftl

Burning_Full_Fingers said:
Is the verse still locked, or it’s now settled? I can’t read all of that.
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they agreed on outdated tags it seems
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
We need a concrete avenue to get the god tiers to ftl that doesn't rely on timeframe calcs in case they break calc stacking rules
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or the verse just aint ftl
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