TenSura WN Revision — Back to Tier 1 (Recreated)

[Azertyhuuh]

There is one explanation for this long discussion, and I don’t think there’s more than this:

→If the phrase "end of time" in this context means that this time has a point at which it stops that it has a specific moment it reaches, and it simply stops without being destroyed, just reaching its end in the distant future and everything in it stops then this means that this time was not infinite from the beginning. This also proves that Yuki’s infinite lifespan was not truly infinite, but only extremely long, and the same applies to time itself, of course.

→There is one explanation I agree with, and it would also be logical for everyone here, which is that the phrase "end of time" refers to the destruction of the space-time continuum itself, meaning it is destroyed and no longer exists at all. If this is the case, then everything becomes logical, especially with the phrase that time is infinite because the "end" here would mean the end of the infinite time itself. Even infinite things end when they are destroyed, and this is something supported and logical in the forum, like the destruction of an infinite-sized universe being possible and considered the end of that infinite thing. If the space-time there was completely destroyed, then the phrase "end of time" here would make sense, and it wouldn’t contradict its infinity. The restoration of time by Rimuru would serve as evidence of a super-dimensional timeline because that infinite space-time was completely destroyed. Therefore, the restoration of time would only be possible through a super-dimensional five-dimensional timeline, and this is the final logical explanation that can be accepted by reason, without contradicting any of the evidence, whether it’s the phrase "beyond time" or anything else.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

So the whole notion of "other world-lines do not physically exist" has its entire basis on this theory.
You use the term "inactive world-lines" and "active world-lines" for tensura, but these terms refer to the "physically existing and not physically existing" world-lines in

None of that had anything to do with attractor fields. Attractor fields are the convergence of these world lines, not world lines in general.

So again, the active and inactive states are regarding worlds lines in general in steins:gate, not Attractor fields? Do I have to read it out to you?

I already gave the definition for the attractor fields, you bringing things that had nothing to do with the attractor fields is a strawman straight up.

Fuse utilizes inactive and active worldlines by the fact those world-lines do not exist anymore, since the timeline is being rewritten via chloe traveling to the past. All she is doing, is remembering those futures and acting accordingly afterwards.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

@Qawsedf234

Are you willing to help out here please? Reiner, Vietthai, and Phoenks disagree with this revision as far as I am aware.

Idk why phoenks is mentioned in here as he is not a mod for vsbw nor is he knowledgeable , I also don’t know why vietthai is mentioned as he also isn’t in disagreement yet. Which you are informed of multiple times. This seems like a blatant attempt to make it so they come into this thread with an opinion that this thread is already concluded which also hurts our chances of them being interested in this topic which they are very knowledgeable on.

That is exactly what ur failing to do, a proper interpretation is one that can be backed up clearly and without confusion(ideally reiterating the text). and because of ur poor interpretation im judging that interpretation rn as an "other party"

lets discuss on discord again. And keep it there until one of us loses the debate

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

None of that had anything to do with attractor fields. Attractor fields are the convergence of these world lines, not world lines in general.

So again, the active and inactive states are regarding worlds lines in general in steins:gate, not Attractor fields? Do I have to read it out to you?

I already gave the definition for the attractor fields, you bringing things that had nothing to do with the attractor fields is a strawman straight up.

Fuse utilizes inactive and active worldlines by the fact those world-lines do not exist anymore, since the timeline is being rewritten via chloe traveling to the past. All she is doing, is remembering those futures and acting accordingly afterwards.

Not really, we are talking about the attractor Field THEORY. Even if attractor fields themselves refer to the convergence of world-lines, the notion of "only one World-Line exists" is still a premise of the theory, that has been spelled out to you two times already

The attractor fields theory is a theory explaining the structure of the world in terms of world lines and world line convergence ranges (attractor fields). The premise is that the world is not one of countless parallel worlds. No more than a single world line exists, and on that world line all events from the past to the future are determined. In other words, as long as the world line determines that “Mayuri dies”, Mayuri will die. This is a world line convergence.

This is practically like this example. If X verse follows MWI, it holds to its premise of "there are many worlds". If it doesn't then it's the opposite. If a verse follows attractor field theory, it holds to the premise that "parallel worlds do not physically exist", and if it doesn't, then it's the opposite; parallel worlds do exist.

Whether Tensura even has attractor fields is, without proof, a baseless claim.
Oh, by the way, I orignally linked the term "World-Line" to Steins; gate because of the namesdrop of Reading Steiner. That doesn't mean "tensura's world lines have to work like 1:1 with reading Steiner". I could also just link the Wikipedia page of World-Lines for the specific term. ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Anyways this is the vote tally right now:

Agree:
Disagree: Reiner04
Neutral/Miscellaneous: Vietthai96

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm on phone so my post will be limited but there are some issues

Bathed in the flow of all time and received the repulsion of the space trying to fix itself, the target is sent to beyond time.
　全ての時間の流れを一身に浴び、固定しようとする空間の反発を受けて、対象を時の彼方へと葬り去る。

I decided to check this japanese text because the word "beyond time" was mixed with multiple mention of "end of time and space" which make me doubt the translation as no way in hell an author could create a mistake in wording like this, so either it is incorrect translation or the text "beyond" isn't literal in meaning. @Phoenks also pointed out this same problem in his comments so i will not repeat it cause comment on phone isn't a great practice

全ての時間の流れを一身に浴び、固定しようとする空間の反発を受けて、対象を時の彼方へと葬り去る。

Most of the texts is fine, the issue lies in the bolded part

対象を時の彼方へと葬り去る。

As i translated the statements, this text bolded text is the issue, this bolded texts translate into

Far away/Far reach/In the distance/the other side

There is multiple translations for this texts.
So the full translation of this

対象を時の彼方へと葬り去る。

Is this

The target is sent to the far reach of time

The target is sent far away in time

The target is sent to the other side of time

The target is sent to the distant time

And from all these translation we already know that the text mean the target was still within time, just very, very far away from their initial time period/location

Next is i decided to see if you can translate that text to "beyond". And yes you can translate it to beyond, but as i have said above, the meaning isn't literal

For Astral argument to work. The kanji for beyond must be different which are

超越する (Chōetsu suru)

超えて (Koete)

These two kanji are more often used for meaning of exceeding, goes beyond, transcend something. Not the Kanji used in the scan

If anyone doubting this, then @SeijiSetto could probablu verify this

And even if we ignore the Kanji issue, Phoeneks already pointed out the problem of the scan, with how the wording is used

Past of a different world-line as the author himself said so (at the end of the chapter in an author note)

Author’s Note
Explanation time. I wrote it and was confused.

I notice that the consistency was sketchy and I couldn’t write freely when I began to think about the concept of time. Though it almost got mixed up several times, but is it alright?

I pray that there will be no fatal mistakes found in there.

This time Chloe succeeded in moving the World-Line!

Isn’t the World-Line volatility change by about 1%?

By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!
Chapter 125

I saw nothing in this Author note said Chloe can move to different timelines

1. It said she succeeded in moving the World-line, in singular, not moving to other World-line or to differemt World-line or move out of the World-line. The statement literally mean she moving the World-line she is in, no offense, this is basic english, I'm moving the car != i'm moving out of the car

2. Volatility is simply the % of chance that World-line could change/alter itself, pretty referring to Chloe time travel to the past could change the world-line, which she succeed

3. Reading Steiner is literal a limited form of Acausality type 1 on our wiki where character can remember the events of pre-altered timeline

About Rimuru can time travel while Chloe can't. This is simply the situation of a better ability, not prove the existence of a second time axis. Especially the texts pretty much implies Rimuru and his group still within time and space, just that the place they are in is the end of time and space where time stop flowing and space stop expanding, so likely that Chloe can't time travel in this environment while Rimuru can

So wrap up, i disagree with the thread. Now i will be busy later so don't expect me to replies to a potentially future wall of text

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I'm on phone so my post will be limited but there are some issues


I decided to check this japanese text because the word "beyond time" was mixed with multiple mention of "end of time and space" which make me doubt the translation as no way in hell an author could create a mistake in wording like this, so either it is incorrect translation or the text "beyond" isn't literal in meaning. @Phoenks also pointed out this same problem in his comments so i will not repeat it cause comment on phone isn't a great practice


Most of the texts is fine, the issue lies in the bolded part

As i translated the statements, this text bolded text is the issue, this bolded texts translate into

There is multiple translations for this texts.
So the full translation of this

Is this




And from all these translation we already know that the text mean the target was still within time, just very, very far away from their initial time period/location

Next is i decided to see if you can translate that text to "beyond". And yes you can translate it to beyond, but as i have said above, the meaning isn't literal

For Astral argument to work. The kanji for beyond must be different which are


These two kanji are more often used for meaning of exceeding, goes beyond, transcend something. Not the Kanji used in the scan

If anyone doubting this, then @SeijiSetto could probablu verify this

And even if we ignore the Kanji issue, Phoeneks already pointed out the problem of the scan, with how the wording is used



I saw nothing in this Author note said Chloe can move to different timelines

1. It said she succeeded in moving the World-line, in singular, not moving to other World-line or to differemt World-line or move out of the World-line. The statement literally mean she moving the World-line she is in, no offense, this is basic english, I'm moving the car != i'm moving out of the car

2. Volatility is simply the % of chance that World-line could change/alter itself, pretty referring to Chloe time travel to the past could change the world-line, which she succeed

3. Reading Steiner is literal a limited form of Acausality type 1 on our wiki where character can remember the events of pre-altered timeline

About Rimuru can time travel while Chloe can't. This is simply the situation of a better ability, not prove the existence of a second time axis. Especially the texts pretty much implies Rimuru and his group still within time and space, just that the place they are in is the end of time and space where time stop flowing and space stop expanding, so likely that Chloe can't time travel in this environment while Rimuru can

So wrap up, i disagree with the thread. Now i will be busy later so don't expect me to replies to a potentially future wall of text

I already told you this in a comment:

If the phrase “end of time” means the end of this infinite time itself meaning that in the far future time simply stops, events cease, and everything comes to a halt then this contradicts everything. It would prove that there is no higher timeline and completely negate the concept of “beyond time” and all related arguments.

However, I presented another interpretation: if the phrase “end of time” means that spacetime itself was completely destroyed, then everything becomes logically consistent. It would not contradict the idea of infinite time, “beyond time,” or the “end of time,” because it would be the end of time only after it was totally destroyed. In that case, Rimuru being returned to time afterward would serve as evidence for the existence of a five-dimensional higher timeline. This is the only other interpretation that makes sense in this context; otherwise, it does not.

So, according to what you are saying, it seems that time merely stopped at a very distant future point. This would negate the idea that it was infinite in the first place and invalidate everything. It would indicate that, in this context, the phrase “end of time” refers to time stopping in a very distant future, which negates all other interpretations. I also rule out the possibility that it was destroyed, because it was not shown to be destroyed and unless its destruction is proven, it cannot be used as evidence.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

And from all these translation we already know that the text mean the target was still within time, just very, very far away from their initial time period/location

Next is i decided to see if you can translate that text to "beyond". And yes you can translate it to beyond, but as i have said above, the meaning isn't literal

Thing is that, yes, they can be translated differently, but the same context also includes the context of "All Time".

Bathed in the flow of all time and received the repulsion of the space that tried to fix itself, the target was sent to beyond time.

To the “End of Time and Space”―― A void in the far off future where the end of time and space overlapped.

I'd like to quote @Ciel_Trinity439's analogy for this:

Think of it like this. You have a target X inside Space and Time. However, you stop Time, yet make it so that Time still flows on the target X alone. Because Time is only flowing on X and not the surroundings, this produces huge space-time distortions due to unsynchronition.

Since X has already experiences "all of Time" whereas his surroundings have experienced no time, the distortions are SO big that they throw X outside the space-time continuum itself.

These distortions appear like how you see black holes being portrayed in most yt videos. There's an infinitely deep "hole" inside the framework of Spacetime.

However, Space is also trying to fix itself. So while Space is stretched infinitely deep around the target due to All Time flowing at only a single point at once, it also tries to get back into its normal position. This makes it so that the framework eventually rips apart, sending/throwing X outside itself while it goes back to normal. And thus X arrives outside the space time continuum.

Now he's in a sort of Space, the 5-dimensional insignificant space we assume all multi-universal cosmologies have. And inside it, he still experiences some form of "Time". He's still inside the world, yet there's nothing besides him. The continuum is already gone (Yuuki destroyed it). Even if he didn't it would have ended naturally.

After this, eventually, the target arrives at what's called the "End of Space and Time".

The "beyond time" is also supposed to be beyond Yuuki's lifespan which is continuously called infinite/eternal throughout the series, as shown in the OP and Ciel's summarized post.

saw nothing in this Author note said Chloe can move to different timelines

1. It said she succeeded in moving the World-line, in singular, not moving to other World-line or to differemt World-line or move out of the World-line. The statement literally mean she moving the World-line she is in, no offense, this is basic english, I'm moving the car != i'm moving out of the car

Can you please make sure of that by the raws?

クロエは、今回で世界線の移動に成功！

About Rimuru can time travel while Chloe can't. This is simply the situation of a better ability, not prove the existence of a second time axis. Especially the texts pretty much implies Rimuru and his group still within time and space, just that the place they are in is the end of time and space where time stop flowing and space stop expanding, so likely that Chloe can't time travel in this environment while Rimuru can

So wrap up, i disagree with the thread. Now i will be busy later so dom't expect me to replies to a potentially future wall of text

Didn't I send a scan about how the future (and past) doesn't exist at the place Rimuru I arrived at? The WoG I mean?
Or is it getting ignored because it's only in Japanese? (Since you seem a bit knowledgeable in Japanese, I thought you'd be able to read it)

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I'm on phone so my post will be limited but there are some issues


I decided to check this japanese text because the word "beyond time" was mixed with multiple mention of "end of time and space" which make me doubt the translation as no way in hell an author could create a mistake in wording like this, so either it is incorrect translation or the text "beyond" isn't literal in meaning. @Phoenks also pointed out this same problem in his comments so i will not repeat it cause comment on phone isn't a great practice


Most of the texts is fine, the issue lies in the bolded part

As i translated the statements, this text bolded text is the issue, this bolded texts translate into

There is multiple translations for this texts.
So the full translation of this

Is this




And from all these translation we already know that the text mean the target was still within time, just very, very far away from their initial time period/location

Next is i decided to see if you can translate that text to "beyond". And yes you can translate it to beyond, but as i have said above, the meaning isn't literal

I disagree based on this

For Astral argument to work. The kanji for beyond must be different which are


These two kanji are more often used for meaning of exceeding, goes beyond, transcend something. Not the Kanji used in the scan

If anyone doubting this, then @SeijiSetto could probablu verify this

And even if we ignore the Kanji issue, Phoeneks already pointed out the problem of the scan, with how the wording is used

Phoenks missed a scan. I talked to him about it.idk if he agrees or not on this take anymore once it was explained.this explanation doesn’t work otherwise

I saw nothing in this Author note said Chloe can move to different timelines

1. It said she succeeded in moving the World-line, in singular, not moving to other World-line or to differemt World-line or move out of the World-line. The statement literally mean she moving the World-line she is in, no offense, this is basic english, I'm moving the car != i'm moving out of the car

The point of this statement is that it is only THIS time that she succeeds. Even though she time traveled countless times.


This time Chloe succeeded in moving the World-Line!

Isn’t the World-Line volatility change by about 1%?

By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!

Logically if she only went to the same world once,then the existence of other worldlines would be necessary since she traveled more than once.

2. Volatility is simply the % of chance that World-line could change/alter itself, pretty referring to Chloe time travel to the past could change the world-line, which she succeed

She only succeeded in doing this once.

3. Reading Steiner is literal a limited form of Acausality type 1 on our wiki where character can remember the events of pre-altered timeline

About Rimuru can time travel while Chloe can't. This is simply the situation of a better ability, not prove the existence of a second time axis. Especially the texts pretty much implies Rimuru and his group still within time and space, just that the place they are in is the end of time and space where time stop flowing and space stop expanding, so likely that Chloe can't time travel in this environment while Rimuru can

Did you miss this scan? The concept of time does not exist. If space doesn’t expand.This isn’t time stop.nor is this the right chronological order of events.

So wrap up, i disagree with the thread. Now i will be busy later so don't expect me to replies to a potentially future wall of text

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Can you please make sure of that by the raws?

Should have had this before ngl. Now i am just reversing what was said if that translation is right.

(I tried to add this to my other comment but it just made a new post)

 

[Vietthai96]

I disagree based on this

This doesn't tell me anything, time is infinite by default anyway

Logically if she only went to the same world once,then the existence of other worldlines would be necessary since she traveled more than once.

I don't need an empty assumption that sound logical, when the statement say otherwise all assumption are meaningless, no matter how logically sound they are

She only succeeded in doing this once.

?

Did you miss this scan? The concept of time does not exist. If space doesn’t expand.This isn’t time stop.nor is this the right chronological order of events.

It literally said growthspeed = movement of time. If this growth is post, so to the movement of time. It is clearly indicated that the concept of time here referring to the movement of time, if time doesn't move, then its meaning (concept) is lost. Nothing here indicated the lost of the literal concept of time. You are hyperfocusing on the concept of time text while ignoring the entire paragraph itself

Thing is that, yes, they can be translated differently, but the same context also includes the context of "All Time".

You are hyperfocusing on the term flow of all time, it isn't as hyper literal as somehow it is literal all of time and the user was throw beyond time literally. Flowery skill description hardly matter when all the contexts latter contradict your assumption of Rimuru and his friend was throw beyond time in literal sense, as what matter is the result of the feat itself. It is like character A is stated to transcend time but latter found out the dude still within time, which simply mean the transcend text isn't literal in meaning

The "beyond time" is also supposed to be beyond Yuuki's lifespan which is continuously called infinite/eternal throughout the series, as shown in the OP and Ciel's summarized post.

Nice theory, though stil theory

Anyway, Yuuki lifespan argument is literally pointless, as the contexts and scans stated. Rimuru is at the end of time and space, mean the end of infinity and while this is fine in fiction, it along with Yuuki life ended isn't relevant, you can be at the end of infinite time, yet not beyond it, like how you can stand at the end of the road, yet still on that road, not beyond it. So assume that Yuuki, who have infinite lifespan ended in the time period where Rimuru stand mean Rimuru is beyond time in literal sense is completely not correct assumption, especially when all contexts pointed toward that Rimuru and his friends are at the end of time and space, where they overlaps, if they does not exists, the verse wouldn't stated they are overlaps

Can you please make sure of that by the raws?

クロエは、今回で世界線の移動に成功

This time, Chloe had successfully moved the World-line

移動に

To move (something), something here is the World-line in the verse

Didn't I send a scan about how the future (and past) doesn't exist at the place Rimuru I arrived at? The WoG I mean?
Or is it getting ignored because it's only in Japanese? (Since you seem a bit knowledgeable in Japanese, I thought you'd be able to read it)

I apologize, there are a lot of comment between your replies to me and the last comment. I was asleep at that time and when i wake up a lot of comment had been made and i have been using phone since yesterday, and phone isn't a good device to use vsbw forum. Would you mind sent it again?

 

[Antvasima]

@FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

@FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist

Would you be willing to help out here please?

Please let us know if there are any questions or anything you didn’t understand so we can clarify it, and then you can vote.
Thank you
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1) OP :

TenSura WN Revision — Back to Tier 1 (Recreated)

Introduction Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. Since the previous CRT was kinda nuked spammed with the unrelated topic of hypertimelines and all that, I got permission from staff to recreate it. And, by the suggestion of multiple supporters on that CRT, added the hypertimeline stuff as...

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TenSura WN Revision — Back to Tier 1 (Recreated)

The main translator for Tensura web novel. Astral used it pretty much the whole time in OP Well, it sayings worlds time line is mute anyway, astral already got it translated. As said in OP.

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This is just semantics. As I stated, if she is supposed to die after an infinite amount of time, then she should already be dead, given that infinite time has passed. Or is the timeline perhaps finite? There’s no reason to assume the time is finite when it’s explicitly stated otherwise. And...

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There is one explanation for this long discussion, and I don’t think there’s more than this: →If the phrase "end of time" in this context means that this time has a point at which it stops that it has a specific moment it reaches, and it simply stops without being destroyed, just reaching its...

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[Antvasima]

I have already pinged 3 of them. Let's wait and see for a while.

 

[SeijiSetto]

This doesn't tell me anything, time is infinite by default anyway



I don't need an empty assumption that sound logical, when the statement say otherwise all assumption are meaningless, no matter how logically sound they are



?



It literally said growthspeed = movement of time. If this growth is post, so to the movement of time. It is clearly indicated that the concept of time here referring to the movement of time, if time doesn't move, then its meaning (concept) is lost. Nothing here indicated the lost of the literal concept of time. You are hyperfocusing on the concept of time text while ignoring the entire paragraph itself


You are hyperfocusing on the term flow of all time, it isn't as hyper literal as somehow it is literal all of time and the user was throw beyond time literally. Flowery skill description hardly matter when all the contexts latter contradict your assumption of Rimuru and his friend was throw beyond time in literal sense, as what matter is the result of the feat itself. It is like character A is stated to transcend time but latter found out the dude still within time, which simply mean the transcend text isn't literal in meaning



Nice theory, though stil theory

Anyway, Yuuki lifespan argument is literally pointless, as the contexts and scans stated. Rimuru is at the end of time and space, mean the end of infinity and while this is fine in fiction, it along with Yuuki life ended isn't relevant, you can be at the end of infinite time, yet not beyond it, like how you can stand at the end of the road, yet still on that road, not beyond it. So assume that Yuuki, who have infinite lifespan ended in the time period where Rimuru stand mean Rimuru is beyond time in literal sense is completely not correct assumption, especially when all contexts pointed toward that Rimuru and his friends are at the end of time and space, where they overlaps, if they does not exists, the verse wouldn't stated they are overlaps









I apologize, there are a lot of comment between your replies to me and the last comment. I was asleep at that time and when i wake up a lot of comment had been made and i have been using phone since yesterday, and phone isn't a good device to use vsbw forum. Would you mind sent it again?

(i'm on mobile so i'm not gonna crop to the relevant part)
p sure 移動 can also be shift, and "shift of world line [or timeline, they're functionally interchangeable as far as i know]" does make sense

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

(i'm on mobile so i'm not gonna crop to the relevant part)
p sure 移動 can also be shift, and "shift of world line [or timeline, they're functionally interchangeable as far as i know]" does make sense

My friend translated it as

Chloe successfully shifted through the world lines this time/Chloe has successfully moved between worldlines this time.

Are you agreeing with vietti or saying that it means movement between timelines

 

[SeijiSetto]

My friend translated it as

Chloe successfully shifted through the world lines this time/Chloe has successfully moved between worldlines this time.

Are you agreeing with vietti or saying that it means movement between timelines

latter from my brief read

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

You are hyperfocusing on the term flow of all time, it isn't as hyper literal as somehow it is literal all of time and the user was throw beyond time literally. Flowery skill description hardly matter when all the contexts latter contradict your assumption of Rimuru and his friend was throw beyond time in literal sense, as what matter is the result of the feat itself. It is like character A is stated to transcend time but latter found out the dude still within time, which simply mean the transcend text isn't literal in meaning

If it was the only supporting evidence by itself, sure, you could say it's flowery language, but combined with the fact that in the same context and just a few lines above that same thing is called "swallowed by the space time continuum" means it truly refers to all time (the whole continuum).

Even all of Rimuru's clones were completely swallowed up by the Space-Time Continuum
時空連続体としての、リムルに連なる分身体までも全て根こそぎ巻き込んで……。

By all means, feel free to check the Japanese line. I checked it with various MTL but the only difference from the FTL was the use of "as" instead of "by" the continuum. Though I think that makes my argument even more clear. All of Rimuru's clones in any point inside the continuum were swallowed (and then thrown out).

Nice theory, though stil theory

Anyway, Yuuki lifespan argument is literally pointless, as the contexts and scans stated. Rimuru is at the end of time and space, mean the end of infinity and while this is fine in fiction, it along with Yuuki life ended isn't relevant, you can be at the end of infinite time, yet not beyond it, like how you can stand at the end of the road, yet still on that road, not beyond it. So assume that Yuuki, who have infinite lifespan ended in the time period where Rimuru stand mean Rimuru is beyond time in literal sense is completely not correct assumption, especially when all contexts pointed toward that Rimuru and his friends are at the end of time and space, where they overlaps, if they does not exists, the verse wouldn't stated they are overlaps

??
All of Rimuru's friends are DEAD lol
It's only Rimuru (Ciel is Rimuru's skill) that are alive after being thrown outside the continuum.

And Yuuki (as an slf) has too many statements of infinite lifespan, even ones distinguishing between longevity and literal infinite lifespan. I believe all of them were presented in Ciel's summary post.

Also, "overlap" in the context means form something to occur simultaneously, for instance, to end at the same time.
You can kindly read this to get a better look:

遠い未来、時間と空間の終わりが交わる場所――"時空の果て"――へと。

Means for something intersect or occur simultaneously, not as in "these two lines weren't aligned before and but now became overlapping".

I apologize, there are a lot of comment between your replies to me and the last comment. I was asleep at that time and when i wake up a lot of comment had been made and i have been using phone since yesterday, and phone isn't a good device to use vsbw forum. Would you mind sent it again?

Sure

[一言]
リルムを未来に吹っ飛ばしたから最低でもそこまで世界が存続するのが確定するのでは
クロエの能力で過去に精霊を送った時
確定し確認された過去を変更する事は出来ないのだから
そこでリルムが世界を見て存続を確認したらそこまでは壊れないという理屈になるはず
投稿者： フレーム
2014年 07月06日 22時55分
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　いや、到達する未来がなくなっているという風に考えていました。
　崩壊した世界で生き残れる存在なんていないよね、というのがユウキの計算。

　確認した情報は崩せないのですが、今回は二重の意味で無視してます。
伏瀬
2014年 07月06日 23時04分

As for the world-line thing
What Seiji said

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@FinePoint @LephyrTheRevanchist

Would you be willing to help out here please?

Double it and give it to the next person.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

Didn't I send a scan about how the future (and past) doesn't exist at the place Rimuru I arrived at? The WoG I mean?

Nothing about what you sent states anything about the past, just the future not existing. Which again makes sense cause its the end of time with no further events.

So adding "(and past)" seems to be intentionally trying to mislead people. So I'd be careful there. Cause fuse didnt state anything about the past himself, just the question and it was regarding chloe.

 

[Reiner04]

Translation isn't here but here is the link:

転生したらスライムだった件

R15 残酷な描写あり 異世界転生 スライム チート

novelcom.syosetu.com

Even then, both Time and Yuuki's lifespan are called infinite in the same sentence, along with the "as well" which means both are infinite in the same level/sense.

Thanks for the WOG source. I skimmed through the site and his statements, and it seems that the Suspended World, or a world where time is frozen (like the End of Spacetime), doesn't really have a future in general, or atleast that's a kind of in-verse mechanics it follows likely; that’s why Chloe’s future predictions don’t work in it. And WOG seems to confirm such conditions:

Spoiler: Scan1

Also, not to mention, 'there is no future' in a literal sense directly contradicts what has been stated within the novel, that is, ''Rimuru was sent to the void far in the future''. So, either he meant it as in the future doesn't exist at the End of the World coz time is frozen, or it's DOTA.

Spoiler: Scan2

Coming to the next point: the OP's claims that entropy and spacetime aren't interconnected, that the heat death of the universe is likely an outlier, and that the End of Time and Space is outside of the timeline do not appear to be true. Skimming through the WOGs provided on the site, it seems Fuse is trying to establish a relationship between how entropy works and the state of spacetime in relation to it. He even went as far as to say, 'we can only imagine the things that would happen at absolute zero' (one of the states of the heat death of the universe). It appears the author is merely using his creativity to depict the state of the End of Time and Space using the heat death of the universe, showing how everything, including time and the expansion of space, has been halted.

Spoiler: Scan3-4

So yeah,

• We don't know what kind of thing might happen when the universe will reach state of absolute zero in accordance with the law of entropy so author took liberty of using his creativity to depict it.
• SpaceTime and entropy are inter-related.
• End of Time and Space is in the future where space and time are interconnected, so both, Space and Time exist.
• Within the state of suspended world or End of Time and Space, future doesn't exist as fuse agreed with above, so its likely that or DOTA.
• Universe died in accordance with the Law of Entropy.
• Beyond Time and Space doesn't really mean anything on its own, in the context it has been used, it can mean Myriad of things, tho to me, it appears to be referring to merely going to the future.

 

[Antvasima]

Double it and give it to the next person.

Do you mean that I should ping other staff members instead of yourself?

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Thanks for the WOG source. I skimmed through the site and his statements, and it seems that the Suspended World, or a world where time is frozen (like the End of Spacetime), doesn't really have a future in general, or atleast that's a kind of in-verse mechanics it follows likely; that’s why Chloe’s future predictions don’t work in it. And WOG seems to confirm such conditions:

Spoiler: Scan1

Also, not to mention, 'there is no future' in a literal sense directly contradicts what has been stated within the novel, that is, ''Rimuru was sent to the void far in the future''. So, either he meant it as in the future doesn't exist at the End of the World coz time is frozen, or it's DOTA.

Spoiler: Scan2

Coming to the next point: the OP's claims that entropy and spacetime aren't interconnected, that the heat death of the universe is likely an outlier, and that the End of Time and Space is outside of the timeline do not appear to be true. Skimming through the WOGs provided on the site, it seems Fuse is trying to establish a relationship between how entropy works and the state of spacetime in relation to it. He even went as far as to say, 'we can only imagine the things that would happen at absolute zero' (one of the states of the heat death of the universe). It appears the author is merely using his creativity to depict the state of the End of Time and Space using the heat death of the universe, showing how everything, including time and the expansion of space, has been halted.

Spoiler: Scan3-4

So yeah,

• We don't know what kind of thing might happen when the universe will reach state of absolute zero in accordance with the law of entropy so author took liberty of using his creativity to depict it.
• SpaceTime and entropy are inter-related.
• End of Time and Space is in the future where space and time are interconnected, so both, Space and Time exist.
• Within the state of suspended world or End of Time and Space, future doesn't exist as fuse agreed with above, so its likely that or DOTA.
• Universe died in accordance with the Law of Entropy.
• Beyond Time and Space doesn't really mean anything on its own, in the context it has been used, it can mean Myriad of things, tho to me, it appears to be referring to merely going to the future.

I will reply and explain shortly.
I’m busy right now, sorry.

 

[Phoenks]

Phoenks missed a scan. I talked to him about it.idk if he agrees or not on this take anymore once it was explained.this explanation doesn’t work otherwise

Just to be clear, I still disagree. The scan you mentioned is about the movement of time (growth speed). Although it says time as a concept ceases to exist when space implodes, the text directly contradicts it in other scans by stating that time and space simply overlap with one another and consume everything. Mostly supporting my idea that the continuum simply changes in its structure rather than being erased outright. Based on all the context, I would take "time as a concept ceases to exist" as meaning "time as we know it is no longer the same."

(Space-time changing in structure also perfectly explains why some peoples abilities do not work. This is simply due to certain powers being more potent than others, not because there is an additional time axis that only some characters can access)

It also seems based on the translations by @Vietthai96 above that the "beyond" statement, which is the crux of this entire argument, can be more accurately interpreted to mean "far into the future" which perfectly aligns with my previous analysis of the scans. So no, I don't think there's been cause for my to change my mind on this. If anything I feel my disagreement has only become more justified.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Do you mean that I should ping other staff members instead of yourself?

It was a joke, but yeah preferably. I dislike evaluating tier 1 threads.

If he hasn't commented, Qawsedf is the staff I trust most in regards to these hypertimelines proposals.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Just to be clear, I still disagree. The scan you mentioned is about the movement of time (growth speed). Although it says time as a concept ceases to exist when space implodes, the text directly contradicts it in other scans by stating that time and space simply overlap with one another and consume everything. Mostly supporting my idea that the continuum simply changes in its structure rather than being erased outright. Based on all the context, I would take "time as a concept ceases to exist" as meaning "time as we know it is no longer the same."

(Space-time changing in structure also perfectly explains why some peoples abilities do not work. This is simply due to certain powers being more potent than others, not because there is an additional time axis that only some characters can access)

It also seems based on the translations by @Vietthai96 above that the "beyond" statement, which is the crux of this entire argument, can be more accurately interpreted to mean "far into the future" which perfectly aligns with my previous analysis of the scans. So no, I don't think there's been cause for my to change my mind on this. If anything I feel my disagreement has only become more justified.

correct me if I’m wrong but to me, It doesn’t make sense as how “beyond” especially when it refer to beyond space-time is only a mere “ far into the future” since if time only changed structure, everyone would be equally bound by the new rules. But abilities fail selectively based on whether their source is inside or outside the dying continuum. Rimuru acts from outside it - that’s not just 'far future,' it’s a higher temporal axis.

 

[Cipher72]

—

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Note:
I won’t be able to reply today, so please wait until tomorrow. I will respond to everything that has been said.

 

[Reiner04]

Just to be clear, I still disagree. The scan you mentioned is about the movement of time (growth speed). Although it says time as a concept ceases to exist when space implodes, the text directly contradicts it in other scans by stating that time and space simply overlap with one another and consume everything. Mostly supporting my idea that the continuum simply changes in its structure rather than being erased outright. Based on all the context, I would take "time as a concept ceases to exist" as meaning "time as we know it is no longer the same."

(Space-time changing in structure also perfectly explains why some peoples abilities do not work. This is simply due to certain powers being more potent than others, not because there is an additional time axis that only some characters can access)

It also seems based on the translations by @Vietthai96 above that the "beyond" statement, which is the crux of this entire argument, can be more accurately interpreted to mean "far into the future" which perfectly aligns with my previous analysis of the scans. So no, I don't think there's been cause for my to change my mind on this. If anything I feel my disagreement has only become more justified.

Also, in any case, timeless voids or dimensions 'beyond time and space' do not generally qualify; if they happen to contradict themselves, then the statement that they lack regular time is considered unreliable per our FAQ page:

Neither would dimensions that are timeless voids or are described as beyond spacetime in general qualify. Unless they contradict themselves, these realms should not have a time dimension at all, with change in them happening according to other principles. If they, on the other hand, do contradict themselves, the statement of them not having regular time would inherently not be reliable, making the idea equally unusable.

Not to mention, looking at all the scans provided, the 'End of Time and Space' appears to be inside the timeline itself and not outside of it. Therefore, it doesn't even have sufficient scans to prove the condition I described above, which, as well, wouldn't qualify either.

 

[Shadow7001]

I also disagree based on several reasons above. If I can find the time today I'd like to write a detailed response highlighting a few of the problems I found with this.

 

[Antvasima]

It was a joke, but yeah preferably. I dislike evaluating tier 1 threads.

If he hasn't commented, Qawsedf is the staff I trust most in regards to these hypertimelines proposals.

Okay. No problem.

@Qawsedf234

We seem to still need your help here.

 

[Dereck03]

Okay. No problem.

@Qawsedf234

We seem to still need your help here.

Qawsedf had already been contacted by the OP beforehand, and apart from the @ mentions you gave him, he doesn't seem interested in this thread.

I'll tag staffs I know have knowledge in tier 1 stuffs to see if they have interest on this.
@Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Elizhaa @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Firestorm808

Can any of you help out here? Also I suggest the OP to update the vote tally of the OP, because 2 staffs already disagreed and many other members, I only see the agree section but not the disagree section updated.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Qawsedf had already been contacted by the OP beforehand, and apart from the @ mentions you gave him, he doesn't seem interested in this thread.

I'll tag staffs I know have knowledge in tier 1 stuffs to see if they have interest on this.
@Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Elizhaa @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Firestorm808

Can any of you help out here? Also I suggest the OP to update the vote tally of the OP, because 2 staffs already disagreed and many other members, I only see the agree section but not the disagree section updated.

I'm sure the guy who made the CRT is sleeping; I don't mean to sound creepy, but he won't wake up for another 6 or 7 hours. (How do I know? Don't ask.)

 

[Mbpoops]

6 or 7 hours.

67

 

[Vietthai96]

Strange

latter from my brief read

like what you said

(i'm on mobile so i'm not gonna crop to the relevant part)
p sure 移動 can also be shift, and "shift of world line [or timeline, they're functionally interchangeable as far as i know]" does make sense

移動に

Pretty much this is also can mean "to move" or "to shift" something rather something is "moving" or "shifting", so the text implying the movement (or change) of the world-line itself rather than the movement of Chloe

Anyway, let's look at the context

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Statement said about Chloe goes to the past,

At the time i flew into the past

She went to the past together with Hinata's Will

so by default assumption it is simply time travel to a point in time in the past, rather to travel to a completely different world-line.

There are also statement which heavily implies your everyday time travel

The Hero existence overlaps disappeared and is untied from all limitations

That is, even though it's an existence of the assimilated me and you, it can be said to be another person

This means the existence of time traveller is overlaps and merge together to form a single person, this only happens if you literal time travel. Travel to different timeline will not have these feats, cause you just meeting parallel version of you if they exists

There are also the talk about future

--Are the things in the future decided too?

She was able to recall her future memory

So texts mostly referring to the past and the future rather than different timelines.

Next is this part

Isn’t the World-Line volatility change by about 1%?

By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!

The 1st line is pretty much referring to the chance of world-line getting altered when travel to the past which kind of time paradox. This make no sense of Chloe travel to different timeline, because time travel to differet timeline will not change your original timeline, cause you simply leave it behind, you are only able to alter the timeline if you are still within it

The second like talking about Reading Steiner which pretty much referring to her skill which allows her to recall future memory

――She awoke the Ultimate Skill 『Space-Time King (YogSothoth)』 ――

Thanks to this ability she was able to recall the future memory

This also make no sense if she travel to different timeline, because if she did that, no need to recall and remember future memory, travel to different timeline mean her original timeline is unaltered, she didn't need remember the memory cause it isn't lost or altered by the alteration of timeline. This was also said by me in previous post that Reading Steiner is literally limited Acausality type 1 ability on our wiki where character keeping the memories of the pre-altered timeline events, and acausality is pretty much ability tied to the causality, the past, it have nothing to do with traveling to different timeline

And lastly we goes back to the statement

クロエは、今回で世界線の移動に成功

Let ignore the move and the world-line part we have

My translation: This time, Chloe had successfully

Astral: This time Chloe succeeded

If we looking at the text, it pretty much implied that Chloe succeed, only one (this time)

However we have this

――She awoke the Ultimate Skill 『Space-Time King (YogSothoth)』 ――

Thanks to this ability she was able to recall the future memory. It’s a thing that Chloe from previous iterations was not able to do.

Looking at the bolded text, it is pretty implies she did this multiple time already, as there are many iterations of her before. If we assumes that she travel to different timelines, this make no sense if the novel implied she did this multiple times yet the author note said she succeed only one

So from these contexts, the statement isn't about travel to different timelines but rather literal travel to the past. We can form the full picture of this

Chloe time travelled to the past many time -> assimilated with her pastself, but did not recall her memory -> keep doing this -> until she awoke Ultimate Skill allowed her to recall her future memory -> successfully in changing the timeline

So yeah, i disagree with multiple world-lines (timelines) argument and there is no insignificant 5D space between timelines

About the future part, Reiner and Hyperguy already said what i want to say. Simply that at the end of time, time do not flow, time do not flow = events stop progressing, events stop progressing = no future

 

[Da3ggman]

Count me as disagreeing FRA

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Can any of you help out here? Also I suggest the OP to update the vote tally of the OP, because 2 staffs already disagreed and many other members, I only see the agree section but not the disagree section updated.

I made a post updating the tally previously, but true I need to update it. Will just update the OP itself.

Nothing about what you sent states anything about the past, just the future not existing. Which again makes sense cause its the end of time with no further events.

So adding "(and past)" seems to be intentionally trying to mislead people. So I'd be careful there. Cause fuse didnt state anything about the past himself, just the question and it was regarding chloe.

The author did not directly talk about the future, that's exactly why I put the "future" inside braces. However, if you read the comments carefully, the reader asks him "since Rimuru (Ciel) confirmed was sent to the future and confirmed (as an observer) that the world did not end, that means the world must exist up till that point, correct?
To which, the author replied "No, I was thinking of the destination/arrived future itself not existing". This means while he was inside the world and sent to the future and confirms its existence, when the world was destroyed (end of time), both those things ceases to exist.

You can refer to some of my reply to Reiner below:

• Snip

Man..... Why do you have to torture me with IMAGES of raws scans
Could have just quoted the text smh, not like anyone here's suspecting you of ever even trying to use fake scans.

Anyways, after scrolling for about half an hour to find the comments in those images:

Thanks for the WOG source. I skimmed through the site and his statements, and it seems that the Suspended World, or a world where time is frozen (like the End of Spacetime), doesn't really have a future in general, or atleast that's a kind of in-verse mechanics it follows likely; that’s why Chloe’s future predictions don’t work in it. And WOG seems to confirm such conditions:

Spoiler: Scan1

Spoiler: Scan1

The part about SW is true, in that it doesn't have a future, but "like EoST" is a bit wrong here. Suspended World (SW) is just a time stop while the world still exists. It simply halts the flow of time, it doesn't "make the world arrives at emptiness" like EoST

《Yes. In this world, the flow of time has stopped. The spread of space had ceased as well, and in accordance with the Law of Entropy, this world has arrived at nothingness.》

Also, not to mention, 'there is no future' in a literal sense directly contradicts what has been stated within the novel, that is, ''Rimuru was sent to the void far in the future''. So, either he meant it as in the future doesn't exist at the End of the World coz time is frozen, or it's DOTA.

Spoiler: Scan2

The entire point "since rimuru was sent to the future, the world just have existed at least before that point" is exactly the question then commenter raised, to which Fuse answered "no, the thought was that the future being reached itself doesn't exist" to begin with.

[一言]
リルムを未来に吹っ飛ばしたから最低でもそこまで世界が存続するのが確定するのでは
クロエの能力で過去に精霊を送った時
確定し確認された過去を変更する事は出来ないのだから
そこでリルムが世界を見て存続を確認したらそこまでは壊れないという理屈になるはず
投稿者： フレーム
2014年 07月06日 22時55分
管理
　いや、到達する未来がなくなっているという風に考えていました。
　崩壊した世界で生き残れる存在なんていないよね、というのがユウキの計算。

　確認した情報は崩せないのですが、今回は二重の意味で無視してます。
伏瀬
2014年 07月06日 23時04分

And this wasn't just a one time statement:

[一言]
未来があったら世界もあるよねwww

ユウキの能力に神系列の能力が一つもねぇw

• 投稿者： 佐藤義清
• 2014年 07月06日 22時46分

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　世界はなかったが、問題もなかったｗ

• 伏瀬
• 2014年 07月06日 22時48分

And based on this:

《This is the End of the World. It could also be referred to as the “End of Time and Space”. As for Veldora, he was isolated inside the『Imaginary Space』and completely protected, so please rest assured.》

It's pretty easy to make the connection that as the "end of the world" refers to the world not existing to begin with, not just being frozen like in heat death. And in the same sense, "end of time and space" would mean the same.

Coming to the next point: the OP's claims that entropy and spacetime aren't interconnected, that the heat death of the universe is likely an outlier, and that the End of Time and Space is outside of the timeline do not appear to be true. Skimming through the WOGs provided on the site, it seems Fuse is trying to establish a relationship between how entropy works and the state of spacetime in relation to it. He even went as far as to say, 'we can only imagine the things that would happen at absolute zero' (one of the states of the heat death of the universe). It appears the author is merely using his creativity to depict the state of the End of Time and Space using the heat death of the universe, showing how everything, including time and the expansion of space, has been halted.

Spoiler: Scan3-4

Uhhh
These are scans of absolute frost wave (a freezing spell), not suspended world (stopped time)... I don't understand how you're concluding that entropy and space time are interconnected from scans about freezing matter, lol

where space and time are interconnected, so both, Space and Time exist.

I believe my above arguments in this post already confirmed the other points, except this. However, I'm not quite sure how you're concluding this when EoST is not "where space and time are interconnected" but "where their ends overlap"

To the “End of Time and Space”―― A void in the far off future where the end of time and space overlapped

So it's not "they're both interconnected" but that "they just end simultaneously" lol
Here's the raws if you have any problem with the flt or want to check

遠い未来、時間と空間の終わりが交わる場所――"時空の果て"――へと。

• Within the state of suspended world or End of Time and Space, future doesn't exist as fuse agreed with above, so its likely that or DOTA.

I've noticed this term before and thought it was just a short form of words like "iirc" but now I think otherwise. What does DOTA mean? (My apologies for not knowing it already).

Also, in any case, timeless voids or dimensions 'beyond time and space' do not generally qualify; if they happen to contradict themselves, then the statement that they lack regular time is considered unreliable per our FAQ page:

This rule is referring to "beyond time and space" as timeless Voids, but that doesn't apply here since here it just refers to a space outside 4D time, not inherently timeless (since hypertimeline exists)

Strange

like what you said


Pretty much this is also can mean "to move" or "to shift" something rather something is "moving" or "shifting", so the text implying the movement (or change) of the world-line itself rather than the movement of Chloe

Anyway, let's look at the context

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Statement said about Chloe goes to the past,


so by default assumption it is simply time travel to a point in time in the past, rather to travel to a completely different world-line.

There are also statement which heavily implies your everyday time travel


This means the existence of time traveller is overlaps and merge together to form a single person, this only happens if you literal time travel. Travel to different timeline will not have these feats, cause you just meeting parallel version of you if they exists

There are also the talk about future


So texts mostly referring to the past and the future rather than different timelines.

Next is this part


The 1st line is pretty much referring to the chance of world-line getting altered when travel to the past which kind of time paradox. This make no sense of Chloe travel to different timeline, because time travel to differet timeline will not change your original timeline, cause you simply leave it behind, you are only able to alter the timeline if you are still within it

The second like talking about Reading Steiner which pretty much referring to her skill which allows her to recall future memory


This also make no sense if she travel to different timeline, because if she did that, no need to recall and remember future memory, travel to different timeline mean her original timeline is unaltered, she didn't need remember the memory cause it isn't lost or altered by the alteration of timeline. This was also said by me in previous post that Reading Steiner is literally limited Acausality type 1 ability on our wiki where character keeping the memories of the pre-altered timeline events, and acausality is pretty much ability tied to the causality, the past, it have nothing to do with traveling to different timeline

And lastly we goes back to the statement

Let ignore the move and the world-line part we have


If we looking at the text, it pretty much implied that Chloe succeed, only one (this time)

However we have this


Looking at the bolded text, it is pretty implies she did this multiple time already, as there are many iterations of her before. If we assumes that she travel to different timelines, this make no sense if the novel implied she did this multiple times yet the author note said she succeed only one

So from these contexts, the statement isn't about travel to different timelines but rather literal travel to the past. We can form the full picture of this

Chloe time travelled to the past many time -> assimilated with her pastself, but did not recall her memory -> keep doing this -> until she awoke Ultimate Skill allowed her to recall her future memory -> successfully in changing the timeline

So yeah, i disagree with multiple world-lines (timelines) argument and there is no insignificant 5D space between timelines

About the future part, Reiner and Hyperguy already said what i want to say. Simply that at the end of time, time do not flow, time do not flow = events stop progressing, events stop progressing = no future

I was also somewhat m thinking of what "only this time" and successfully means, whether it refers to "she only moved to a different world-line this time" or "only this time she remembered the past events", however, after reading your post and searching for answers in the author's comment page, now I think it's the later. That "successfuly" just means she moved to a different world line WITH HER MEMORY INTACT, instead of not remembering future events. Why?

Cuz Chloe's time travels happened in chapter 125. However, this is what the author said in chapter 248's reviews

[一言]
まあ、ぶっちゃけ「未来に送っただけなら時空系能力で戻ってこれる」ので…ユウキがそれを防ぐ為にどんな手札を残してるかが問題ですよね。
問題は時間を越えて戻ってこれると言うことは、その手札の攻略にどれだけの時間を費やそうが問題ない点でしょうか…
…と、いうか未来の果てに追放した、ユウキ一人では発動できない最終手段をいともたやすくコピー＆実行失そうなえげつないシエルさんしか予測できないｗ
ついでに、更に先ほどの戦闘からいろいろヒントを得て、リムル再強化してそうな気がしてならないｗｗ


そしてさり気なく、実にさり気なくラミリスさんが完全形態に…！

• 投稿者： 空っぽ
• 2014年 07月06日 22時35分

管理
　今の所、時間の流れは一方通行、だったんですけどね。

• 伏瀬
• 2014年 07月06日 22時39分

[一言]
問題の先送りて……失敗する画しか浮かびませんわ

未来に送られた側からすれば、自分におきたことを解析する時間が存分にとれるワケで
この戦いの間に既に未来から帰還したリムルが影で様子を窺ってても不思議じゃない

• 投稿者： 醤油煎餅
• 2014年 07月06日 22時50分

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　いやいや、送った隙に全て終らせる、これは良い手だと思いますよ。
　普通は、未来から過去へは移動不可能ですし。
　世界の法則＝ヴェルダナーヴァの作ったルールを超えるヤツがいるなんて、想定外もいいところ。

• 伏瀬
• 2014年 07月06日 22時58分

So before Rimuru acquiring Time Wrap, no one could "move to the past" as in the direct past of the same World-Line, which means Chloe always moved to a different world-line, it's just that she didn't remember her memories in those instances.

Btw, this was a translator note from the people who translated THE ENTIRE NOVEL

By some means, he helped Chloe, so that she might to interfere the past?
Wild Mass Guessing by YukkuriOniisan: Ah… This is maybe the start of the second timeline. I think I need to read the LN if it someday reach this point (hopefully there will be a timeline chart)

I think, if it's interpretation of Japanese text (like world line shifts) you talked about, this should be considered.

other scans by stating that time and space simply overlap with one another and consume everything.

I don't particularly care about the other parts of your discussion with Feldway, but can you quote the scan that says space and time themselves overlap at EoST?

Because based on the scan I have (which iirc also sent you in pms, but maybe you didn't read it), it's not space and time that overlap but their ends, as I've mentioned to Reiner as well a bit above.

To the “End of Time and Space”―― A void in the far off future where the end of time and space overlapped

Just means they end at the same time, not that they themselves overlap bruh

 

[Nonynho]

i'm really intrigued because this is going back and forth with the disagreeing people saying that the proposal is not true because of stuff Astral did not say (like space and time overlap when the scan presented more than 30 times at this point says that their end overlap, for starters) and Astral and a handful having to point out "ayo, that is not what i said or what the scan says", to which the disagreeing fellas find other similar stuff or keep on the same argument, which generate the same response and etc etc

 

[Reiner04]

Uhhh
These are scans of absolute frost wave (a freezing spell), not suspended world (stopped time)... I don't understand how you're concluding that entropy and space time are interconnected from scans about freezing matter, lol

A quick DeepL translation tells me that the author and the person who asked the question are talking about latent heat, entropy, and the 'stopped world,' also called the 'suspended world' and its relation with time. Although MTL shouldn't be used on its own, the untranslated scan from the author regarding 'no future' makes me feel we should go over his other statements as well. Even if they are untranslated, we may need them to understand his thought process and ensure all aspects of 'his statements outside of work' are in link.

Spoiler: SPOILER

What does DOTA mean?

DOTA or 'Death of the Author' is used when an author's work and their words outside of it (such as in an interview) directly contradict each other. It suggests prioritizing the work itself over the author's external statements. It is a very famous, concise one word way to describe this entire concept.

Most of the stuffs seems to be just very specific and forced interpretation of the text to me, so agree to disagree to it.