Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Giannysmag]

Is anyone against making a list of Mahoraga being able to adapt the ct's in verse? Just like as a general guide to follow for what he should be able to adapt to?

Sounds unnecessary since he outright can adapt to any and all phenomena but big lists of abilities fuel my autistic brain which the only thing that matters, so go for it!

 

[Mommyleona]

Yea but the cap is about Naoya with just his base reinforcment not using PS or anything (unless I'm severely misunderstanding what LoK was proposing), Maki was keeping up with PS Naoya

the argument is that even normal naoya is faster lol (yes)
also him perception blitzing Yuji, who in turn can keep up with Yuta

 

[Mommyleona]

Is anyone against making a list of Mahoraga being able to adapt the ct's in verse? Just like as a general guide to follow for what he should be able to adapt to?

i mean he can adapt to anything...

 

[Rodriiogo]

OR they are wrong and people don't know, OR their verse's scalers are better, OR they aren't as contradictory as you think, OR staff hadn't gotten to them, OR you're just wrong

Ok man

Awful to you. Consistent to each other. Stated by characters inverse and statements inverse.

Awful to literally everyone with eyes and did you just say they are consistent to eachother man I can't

You just a moment ago tried bringing up the gojo transfigured humans stuff which would make him slower than naobito even tho hes supposedly faster than him, whos faster than Naoya who surpassed subsonic speeds.

You're trying to argue 24FPS happens in one second which would make dagon, maki and nanami BELOW AVERAGE HUMAN LEVEL since they visibly get blitzed and statued by naobito using 24 movements across not even 10 meters which means they are getting blitzed by <10m/s speeds by your timeframe logic.

You are trying to argue Maki is below superhuman yet have her react to each and every single one of naoya's movements so she somehow reacts to every single of the 24 movements of transonic speeds yet shes superhuman. She and even Kamo are also able to stab and even dodge a deccalerated Womb Naoya who should still be subsonic if not just straight up transonic-supersonic via being faster than human naoya.

You can't even justify the one above because, via statements, maki gets blitzed by 0.01 seconds, a low subsonic timeframe so she has to be lower than even BoS Yuji's superhuman yet react to everything of the above.

You also genuinely think losing 90% of output made 15F Sukuna go from a god with extremely high speeds to superhuman, or just weakening true form did that. And once again you can't disprove or justify this since Gojo has the MHS+ statement which you cant ignore mr.statements merchant.

I didn't even mention the fact that you're tryna argue they are below BoS Yuji no CE in speed btw.

You rely on pixelscaling that has characters different heights in the same pages. Pixelscaling that has characters faster than moves that statue them.

Inconsistent heights should be called out if they happen. Isn't this a literal rule...? Same with the if the character got statued by them. (If ur genuinely talking about hakari I'm already laughing)

You don't realize that these feats and calcs half the time aren't even consistent with themselves but you're more mad at the characters inverse who fawn over the speed of sound

Why are they not consistent with themselves go ahead explain.

 

[Giannysmag]

the argument is that even normal naoya is faster lol (yes)

That's stupid, I say we put a Dunce cap on LoK, parade him around the town square and throw tomatoes at him while chanting "shame"

also him perception blitzing Yuji, who in turn can keep up with Yuta

He did that with PS

 

[LaserPrecision]

Faster than MHA at least smh

Spoiler

u forgot again...

 

[Giannysmag]

I forgot again...

I remember when all the MHA fans where coping about the Mach 10 statement, who would have thought it was actually consistent

 

[Rodriiogo]

I remember when all the MHA fans where coping about the Mach 10 statement, who would have thought it was actually consistent

Nah the verse remains rela+ because people there actually don't ignore feats

 

[Mommyleona]

That's stupid, I say we put a Dunce cap on LoK, parade him around the town square and throw tomatoes at him while chanting "shame"

less goo!!!

He did that with PS

well yeah... just read this all the yap is unnecessary

 

[Giannysmag]

Nah the verse remains rela+ because people there actually don't ignore feats

Well bah humbug to you too Ebenezer Scrooge

 

[Yasuda_144]

I'm talking in terms of speed, he is blatantly above Grade 2s like Maki and Megumi and even tho his reinforcment is dogshit for the first 40 chapters he is still keeping up with Nanami, Mahito and Todo (there's the Higiruma stuff too like you said tho I don't wanna get into arguements about if his body got stronger between BOS and CG)

Fair enough, although it's not like base Yuji's 16m/s travel speed is itself the thing capping people on his level, it's just the only thing for people at that level backed up by an explicit statement. If the 24m/s cap doesn't happen he can just scale to whatever Grade 1s get in terms of combat speed, and I don't think he has any unique anti-feats that aren't a standard part of the Grade 1 package.

 

[Rodriiogo]

He did that with PS

PS Naoya is the one being capped at subsonic, if subsonic is perception blitzing yuji from meters away I think you can realise where he goes

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I remember when all the MHA fans where coping about the Mach 10 statement, who would have thought it was actually consistent

I like how pure are the opinion of non powerscalers

 

[Arkenis]

i mean he can adapt to anything...

 

[Giannysmag]

well yeah... just read this all the yap is unnecessary

Yea I've read LoKs proposition but that doesn't answer my question. The cap is about superhuman Naoya which is his speed with just pure reinforcment and no PS, when using PS he is Subsonic and that's what blitzes Yuji and Choso so why would we cap them based on the superhuman value?

PS Naoya is the one being capped at subsonic, if subsonic is perception blitzing yuji from meters away I think you can realise where he goes

Yea I know and I think that Yuji is superhuman, what doesn't make sense to me is why would he (and by extention the rest of the high tiers/heavy hitter) be capped by the superhuman value

The way I see it the scaling goes:

• Below Average Human: Kashimo
• Superhuman: Pre-Awk Maki, Yuji, Grade 1s and most SG Curses
• Subsonic - Subsonic+: Unstacked Naoya/Naobito, Heavy Hitters, Jogo
• Transonic - Supersonic+: Full speed Naoya/Naobito, Curseya
• ******* wherever you want them: Gojo, Sukuna, Mahoraga and Dabura

 

[Yasuda_144]

Bleach fans must be extremely glad Kubo decided to throw out a crazy ass number like Mach 500 for Gin's Bankai right now. Funny thing is that's still kind of a cap compared to some of the feats done by sub-Gin level people, but it's a hell of a lot better to work with when the Bleach Speed CRT drops sometime before the sun explodes (seriously, amidst constant AP revisions the speed of the verse hasn't been touched for years).

 

[Buraqibear]

Nah the verse remains rela+ because people there actually don't ignore feats

Isn't it because all the speed statements apply to travel speed?

 

[Saqphire]

Is anyone against making a list of Mahoraga being able to adapt the ct's in verse? Just like as a general guide to follow for what he should be able to adapt to?

All of them except Fuga and Hollow Purple (both can one-shot him)

 

[Giannysmag]

Bleach fans must be extremely glad Kubo decided to throw out a crazy ass number like Mach 500 for Gin's Bankai right now. Funny thing is that's still kind of a cap compared to some of the feats done by sub-Gin level people, but it's a hell of a lot better to work with when the Bleach Speed CRT drops sometime before the sun explodes (seriously, amidst constant AP revisions the speed of the verse hasn't been touched for years).

Nah Bleach fans hate the Gin stuff cause all of them try to scale the verse to FTL or some shit

 

[Mommyleona]

Below Average Human: Kashimo

something something based

 

[Mommyleona]

Bleach fans must be extremely glad Kubo decided to throw out a crazy ass number like Mach 500 for Gin's Bankai right now. Funny thing is that's still kind of a cap compared to some of the feats done by sub-Gin level people, but it's a hell of a lot better to work with when the Bleach Speed CRT drops sometime before the sun explodes (seriously, amidst constant AP revisions the speed of the verse hasn't been touched for years).

Bleach doesnt get past light speed
the current calc(s) for ftl is so bad

 

[Saqphire]

Bleach fans must be extremely glad Kubo decided to throw out a crazy ass number like Mach 500 for Gin's Bankai right now. Funny thing is that's still kind of a cap compared to some of the feats done by sub-Gin level people, but it's a hell of a lot better to work with when the Bleach Speed CRT drops sometime before the sun explodes (seriously, amidst constant AP revisions the speed of the verse hasn't been touched for years).

Unlike Mach 3, Mach 500 is headcanon. And it's also verbatim stated to be a lie lol, so we Bleach fans are good on that dpt

 

[Rodriiogo]

Yea I know and I think that Yuji is superhuman, what doesn't make sense to me is why would he (and by extention the rest fo the hgih tiers/heavy hitter) be capped by the superhuman value

If Yuji is superhuman then so is Maki..?

The way I see it the scaling goes:

• Below Average Human: Kashimo
• Superhuman: Pre-Awk Maki, Yuji, Grade 1s and most SG Curses
• Subsonic - Subsonic+: Unstacked Naoya/Naobito, Heavy Hitters, Jogo
• Transonic - Supersonic+: Full speed Naoya/Naobito, Curseya
• ******* wherever you want them: Gojo, Sukuna, Mahoraga and Dabura

What's that polar bear doing there
Bro forgot that blitzes dont matter because of naoya

 

[Buraqibear]

Unlike Mach 3, Mach 500 is headcanon. And it's also verbatim stated to be a lie lol

Yes, because Gin later says "It's not as long as I said, and it's not as fast as I said." because the cool part is the poison

 

[Giannysmag]

And it's also verbatim stated to be a lie lol

Yea it's a lie in that it's actually slower than what he said lol

 

[Giannysmag]

If Yuji is superhuman then so is Maki..?

Rage amped Yuji

Bro forgot that blitzes dont matter because of naoya

?

 

[Mommyleona]

lowkey imma nuke bleach tomorrow

 

[Mommyleona]

And it's also verbatim stated to be a lie lol, so we Bleach fans are good on that dpt

its never stated to be a lie

Yes, because Gin later says "It's not as long as I said, and it's not as fast as I said." because the cool part is the poison

To aizen, he lied to aizen, he says that to aizen, he didnt lie to Ichigo, he had 0 reason to lie to him

 

[Rodriiogo]

Rage amped Yuji

Also:

?

Blitzes are headcanon feats remember the rule, it's not stated so it didn't happen

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Unlike Mach 3, Mach 500 is headcanon. And it's also verbatim stated to be a lie lol, so we Bleach fans are good on that dpt

No, the guidebook states that it's mach 500, so people assume that he lied about it being a lie in this wiki

 

[Saqphire]

Yes, because Gin later says "It's not as long as I said, and it's not as fast as I said." because the cool part is the poison

Yea it's a lie in that it's actually slower than what he said lol

Point being, bro is an unreliable source. "Not as fast" denotes a different speed than said, we don't actually know if he meant faster or slower technically

 

[Arkenis]

Bleach fans must be extremely glad Kubo decided to throw out a crazy ass number like Mach 500 for Gin's Bankai right now. Funny thing is that's still kind of a cap compared to some of the feats done by sub-Gin level people, but it's a hell of a lot better to work with when the Bleach Speed CRT drops sometime before the sun explodes (seriously, amidst constant AP revisions the speed of the verse hasn't been touched for years).

Mach 500 was a lie anyway and people have interpreted it as his hand movement rather than just sound iirc. And at least Bleach has some wiggle room with the fact there's like no contradicting speed statement like Yamamoto had reached mach 8 in bankai or Ichigo flew at mach 4!!

 

[Buraqibear]

Point being, bro is an unreliable source. "As fast" denotes a different speed than said, we don't actually know if he meant faster or slower technically

Well, the guy's more knowledgeable on Clorox said the Databook caps it at mach 500 so huzzah.

 

[Buraqibear]

Why are them Bleach fans more desperate about denying the mach 500 statement than JJK fans are about mach 3

 

[Giannysmag]

Also:

CG Yuta just kinda sucks stats wise relative to the heavy hitters and he gets stronger/faster for Shinjuku anyway so it don't matter

Blitzes are headcanon feats remember the rule, it's not stated so it didn't happen

I do consider feats tho as long as they line up with statements and Jogo is stated to be able to fight 5F Sukuna who also has multiple FTE feats

 

[LaserPrecision]

I remember when all the MHA fans where coping about the Mach 10 statement, who would have thought it was actually consistent

To be fair Star and Stripe prepared for and catches a Hypersonic ICBM with her cloud hand, and before It can rip her cloud hand off, she grabs all the missiles and uses all their propulsion to throw a Hypersonic punch that Shigaraki barely escaped alive through a very short window of time. So they at least have a Hypersonic statement.

 

[Mommyleona]

Why are them Bleach fans more desperate about denying the mach 500 statement than JJK fans are about mach 3

afraid of being the slowest verse in the big 3 (Bleach has ZERO light speed statements just saying)

 

[Damage3245]

This thread got 10 pages in around 24 hours. Is there really that much to discuss for JJK?

 

[Saqphire]

No, the guidebook states that it's mach 500, so people assume that he lied about it being a lie in this wiki

Well, the guy's more knowledgeable on Clorox said the Databook caps it at mach 500 so huzzah.

No it doesn't, if anything this is the Piercing Blood scenario all over again

 

[Saqphire]

This thread got 10 pages in around 24 hours. Is there really that much to discuss for JJK?