Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Rodriiogo]

22+ calculations are being ignored in favor of 3-4 inconsistent statements, actually laughable downgrade man

 

[KingTempest]

So, is the tsurugi feat fine or no? If it is, why did I got bullied for this calc back when 0.013 was a fine assuption for blitz?

Because you calced people blitzing the reader.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

So, is the tsurugi feat fine or no? If it is, why did I got bullied for this calc back when 0.013 was a fine assuption for blitz?

It's cause you said that they're moving faster than the reader themselves can see and not faster than a character can see. Also the Tsurugi calc uses superhuman reactions for Maru

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Because you calced people blitzing the reader.

I swear Classic Naruto had two calcs doing it

 

[Arkenis]

Has no one calced them tossing several buildings in the air for LS?

22+ calculations are being ignored in favor of 3-4 inconsistent statements, actually laughable downgrade man

Ngl, there's another speed feat the anime gives us. Mahoraga throws like 20 cars in the air and almost all of them are flying relative to each other and Sukuna's just cutting them up. That's gotta yield hypersonic at least

Calc it. This might save the verse lmao

 

[KingTempest]

22+ calculations are being ignored in favor of 3-4 inconsistent statements, actually laughable downgrade man

calcs with assumptions vs statements from the characters and authors, crazy

 

[KingTempest]

I swear Classic Naruto had two calcs doing it

#1 No they ain't
#2 Even if they did that would be wrong

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Jjk fans went in aiming for Relativistic speed and now we're at the point where it's very possible a decent chunk of the cast will be capped at Superhuman. Truly a JJK moment.

 

[KingTempest]

Jjk fans went in aiming for Relativistic speed and now we're at the point where it's very possible a decent chunk of the cast will be capped at Superhuman.

good

 

[Buraqibear]

Jjk fans went in aiming for Relativistic speed and now we're at the point where it's very possible a decent chunk of the cast will be capped at Superhuman.

At least we'll still have Relkuna and Gojo

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Guys, the CRT is meant to discuss if the cap should be applied or not. Why losing so much hope already lol

 

[Arkenis]

Because you calced people blitzing the reader.

So this wouldn't be calceable?

 

[Giannysmag]

Is it a good time to mention that even without the Naoya shenanigans no-CE Yuji is legit low end relative to Grade 1s so he highkey gatekeeps all the low tiers too

 

[Mommyleona]

So, is the tsurugi feat fine or no? If it is, why did I got bullied for this calc back when 0.013 was a fine assuption for blitz?

well the high end is accepted now...

 

[Rodriiogo]

Calc it. This might save the verse lmao

It doesn't even matter, ppl like KT will ignore anything over the big bold words man, only way you can get him to accept stuff is if I type the entire calc LIKE THIS

calcs with assumptions vs statements from the characters and authors, crazy

"assumptions" and it's just what's shown on-screen, brutal. And holy you actually take statements from creators who write for the sake of cool like the gospel, the fact that every single other verse on the wiki ignores author statements if they contradict whats shown EXCEPT JJK, actual lobotomy

 

[Arkenis]

Guys, the CRT is meant to discuss if the cap should be applied or not. Why losing so much hope already lol

Rod just came around the wiki when we going through crts. I am fully in belief we'll get hypersonic scaling for high tiers.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

It's not a matter of if it will be applied or not, it's just extremely funny to me that jjk is always one step forward, two steps back.

 

[Arkenis]

It doesn't even matter, ppl like KT will ignore anything over the big bold words man, only way you can get him to accept stuff is if I type the entire calc LIKE THIS

Bro I know his name is King Tempest but he is NOT god. Other mods exists (Dmg did NOT like that cloud split though)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It's not a matter of if it will be applied or not, it's just extremely funny to me that jjk is always one step forwards, two steps back.

I will always delay the revisions and profile reworks. I'm the curse of this verse

 

[KingTempest]

So this wouldn't be calceable?

No

It doesn't even matter, ppl like KT will ignore anything over the big bold words man, only way you can get him to accept stuff is if I type the entire calc LIKE THIS

Lol

"assumptions" and it's just what's shown on-screen, brutal. And holy you actually take statements from creators who write for the sake of cool like the gospel, the fact that every single other verse on the wiki ignores author statements if they contradict whats shown EXCEPT JJK, actual lobotomy

Every verse is case by case. This verse is case by case too.

Not too long ago people were saying gege is a brainiac because he studied lightning so that people were objectively MHS and now gege is an idiot who doesn't know his own characters' speeds

If you don't like those other verses then downgrade them. But this attitude of "they do it why can't we???" is so bitchy and annoying that it's pathetic to look at

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Not too long ago people were saying gege is a brainiac because he studied lightning

Tbf, it was because he called some experts to explain the lightning for him

 

[KingTempest]

Tbf, it was because he called some college teachers to explain the lightning for him

But that was the most credible shit ever
Now we saying gege doesn't know the basics of the speed of sound
Pathetic

 

[Rodriiogo]

Guys, the CRT is meant to discuss if the cap should be applied or not. Why losing so much hope already lol

I've joined the wiki just a month ago today and I can already tell you that this people will not listen man, you could give them undeniable feats and straight up the story and they will deny it because this people read the story like this:

All about the big bold words!!

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I've joined the wiki just a month ago today and I can already tell you that this people will not listen man, you could give them undeniable feats and straight up the story and they will deny it because this people read the story like this:

All about the big bold words!!

This wiki is in constant change. Even if the superhuman cap is applied, nothing stops a future CRT to debunk it.

This is not a third of the pain that Bleach suffered

 

[KingTempest]

VSBW

Even calculations have their own drawbacks. For one, calculations generally involve pixel scaling (more of that later on) which is hard to measure and utilize. Calculations also make presumptions beforehand which are subject to much debate (and are hence not argument-proof). Last of all, calculations are tough. To not only calculate a stat, but to also convey the procedure step by step is tricky and often leaves people confused if done incorrectly.

Rodriiogo

omgomgomgomgomgcalcsarethebestttttcalcs>>>>statementscalcsmeaneverythingyourdumbifyoudontagreewiththecalcs

grow up

 

[Giannysmag]

I've joined the wiki just a month ago today and I can already tell you that this people will not listen man, you could give them undeniable feats and straight up the story and they will deny it because this people read the story like this:

All about the big bold words!!

I finally have an excuse to use this

 

[Yasuda_144]

Is it a good time to mention that even without the Naoya shenanigans no-CE Yuji is legit low end relative to Grade 1s so he highkey gatekeeps all the low tiers too

From Culling Games onward, yeah, earlier on he has statements like having 120% the strength of an "average sorcerer" and he himself claims a regular punch from Todo has the power to blow both his arms off (he then immediately starts keeping up but we can assume that's a case of the sheer stress of the situation making his reinforcement less sloppy, unless Yuji was just completely full of shit in regards to how much damage he would've taken.) He's specifically only physically above all the other students in a brawl without Cursed Energy involved, although that still puts him above Maki and thus above basically everyone during Goodwill aside from Todo himself and maybe Panda and Mechamaru (since Panda has that "can barely compete with Todo" statement).

 

[Rodriiogo]

Not too long ago people were saying gege is a brainiac because he studied lightning so that people were objectively MHS and now gege is an idiot who doesn't know his own characters' speeds

Who said this, surely it wasn't me, I just accept kashimo's lightning as real because well it has and follows the properties of one. Not because "gege is a brainiac", Gege constantly gets stuff wrong man he does stuff for cool factor and sometimes forgets how his own techniques that he wrote works (Infinity had Gege being corrected by outsiders man). I never believed gege was a genius, I believe he does stuff for the cool factor, and I follow what the narrative shows. If the narrative showed them getting blitzed by guns and never any feats above it, then thats fine, its normal lol. But if the story shows X and then says Y, I will go what it shows.

If you don't like those other verses then downgrade them. But this attitude of "they do it why can't we???" is so bitchy and annoying that it's pathetic to look at

The whole point is that those verses are correct/fine like that. Just like JJK should be fine/correct without contradictory statements caps. I don't dislike those verses lol and most of the time have them higher than the wiki does even.

VSBW
Even calculations have their own drawbacks. For one, calculations generally involve pixel scaling (more of that later on) which is hard to measure and utilize. Calculations also make presumptions beforehand which are subject to much debate (and are hence not argument-proof). Last of all, calculations are tough. To not only calculate a stat, but to also convey the procedure step by step is tricky and often leaves people confused if done incorrectly.

I fail to see the issue. I don't deny that if it was just a random assumption calc getting above X while the statement said Y then I'd also go with Y as well. But when the story shows multiple blatant feats higher than Y, some that you don't even need calculations to understand, I will go with them instead. You are going against 22+ calculations, most of them not being assumption based and instead ur going with just what's shown with 2 statements that correlate to eachother and the rest being AWFUL. Your statements contradict eachother and can't be correlated while the feats can.

 

[Saqphire]

Is it a good time to mention that even without the Naoya shenanigans no-CE Yuji is legit low end relative to Grade 1s so he highkey gatekeeps all the low tiers too

Unlike the Naoya statements, that cap is actually fine as Grade 1s are quickly deemed as fodder anyway, unlike Kashimo-tiers which everyone cares about.

Yeah, RIP Todo and his subsonic perception speed but what can ya say man, perceptions aint combat speed

 

[Giannysmag]

From Culling Games onward, yeah, earlier on he was statements like having 120% the strength of an "average sorcerer" and he himself claims a regular punch from Todo has the power to blow both his arms off (he then immediately starts keeping up but we can assume that's a case of the sheer stress of the situation making his reinforcement less sloppy, unless Yuji was just completely full of shit in regards to how much damage he would've taken. He's specifically only physically above all the other students in a brawl without Cursed Energy involved, although that still puts him above Maki and thus above basically everyone during Goodwill aside from Todo himself and maybe Panda and Mechamaru (since Panda has that "can barely compete with Todo" statement).

I'm talking in terms of speed, he is blatantly above Grade 2s like Maki and Megumi and even tho his reinforcment is dogshit for the first 40 chapters he is still keeping up with Nanami, Mahito and Todo (there's the Higiruma stuff too like you said tho I don't wanna get into arguements about if his body got stronger between BOS and CG)

Unlike the Naoya statements, that cap is actually fine as Grade 1s are quickly deemed as fodder anyway, unlike Kashimo-tiers which everyone cares about.

Yeah, RIP Todo and his subsonic perception speed but what can ya say man, perceptions aint combat speed

The Naoya cap wouldn't effect the Heavy Hitters either no? I mean they are literally relative to Naoya using unstacked PS

 

[Rodriiogo]

The Naoya cap wouldn't effect the Heavy Hitters either no? I mean they are literally relative to Naoya using unstacked PS

The current argument of the naoya cap nonsense would affect heavy hitters too. Also even A.Maki is below stacking PS top speed Naoya.

 

[KingTempest]

Who said this, surely it wasn't me, I just accept kashimo's lightning as real because well it has and follows the properties of one. Not because "gege is a brainiac", Gege constantly gets stuff wrong man he does stuff for cool factor and sometimes forgets how his own techniques that he wrote works (Infinity had Gege being corrected by outsiders man). I never believed gege was a genius, I believe he does stuff for the cool factor, and I follow what the narrative shows. If the narrative showed them getting blitzed by guns and never any feats above it, then thats fine, its normal lol. But if the story shows X and then says Y, I will go what it shows.

Oh brother

The whole point is that those verses are correct/fine like that. Just like JJK should be fine/correct without contradictory statements caps. I don't dislike those verses lol and most of the time have them higher than the wiki does even.

OR they are wrong and people don't know, OR their verse's scalers are better, OR they aren't as contradictory as you think, OR staff hadn't gotten to them, OR you're just wrong

I fail to see the issue. I don't deny that if it was just a random assumption calc getting above X while the statement said Y then I'd also go with Y as well. But when the story shows multiple blatant feats higher than Y, some that you don't even need calculations to understand, I will go with them instead. You are going against 22+ calculations, most of them not being assumption based and just what's shown with 2 statements that correlate to eachother and the rest being AWFUL. Your statements contradict eachother and can't be correlated while the feats can.

Awful to you. Consistent to each other. Stated by characters inverse and statements inverse.

You rely on pixelscaling that has characters different heights in the same pages. Pixelscaling that has characters faster than moves that statue them.

You don't realize that these feats and calcs half the time aren't even consistent with themselves but you're more mad at the characters inverse who fawn over the speed of sound

 

[Giannysmag]

The current argument of the naoya cap nonsense would affect heavy hitters too. Also even A.Maki is below stacking PS top speed Naoya.

But why tho? (not gonna read 10 pages of yap)

 

[Mommyleona]

But why tho? (not gonna read 10 pages of yap)

Maki = HH < Naoya
.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

 

[Giannysmag]

Maki = HH < Naoya
.

Yea but the cap is about Naoya with just his base reinforcment not using PS or anything (unless I'm severely misunderstanding what LoK was proposing), Maki was keeping up with PS Naoya

 

[Buraqibear]

Just because the verse is getting debunked to superhuman, building level now doesn't mean it can't become MHS+ Mountain level next week

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Faster than MHA at least smh

Spoiler

 

[Giannysmag]

Just because the verse is getting debunked to superhuman, building level now doesn't mean it can't become MHS+ Mountain level next week

"There are months when no revisions happen and there are days where every revision happens at once"

 

[Arkenis]

Is anyone against making a list of Mahoraga being able to adapt the ct's in verse? Just like as a general guide to follow for what he should be able to adapt to?