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(MAKE SURE TO VOTE IF YOU THINK A RECALC IS NEEDED OR NOT AND IF MY RECALC BLOG IS ACCEPTED OR NOT, BOTH THINGS ARE SEPARATED THINGS)
Link to My blog that explains all the arguments of here and give a recalc for it that is specifically about his path within china:
back then in april 2019, user DMUA made a speed calc for gun devil travelling across the world in chapter 13 of chainsawman, the calc was made when chainsawman was barely starting katana man story arc, before gun devil came back in chapter 75
his calc is here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lot_of_stuff#The_Gun_Devil_goes_Mr._Worldwide
besides this 100% gun devil speed calc, DMUA gun devil speed calc was used by elajruengies to calc his AP from his speed and weight, which is another accepted calc, if the speed calc by DMUA changes then the AP one too: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ainsaw_Man:_Slight_ReCalcs_3-_Gun_Devil_Drift
about DMUA calc, it has problems with the links the calc provides
the link showing the feat doesnt work: https://s8.mkklcdnv8.com/************/i2/ix917953/chapter_13_the_gun_devil/12.jpg but its clearly refers to chapter 13 when gun devil destroyed many countries and also aki hayakawa´s house
and the link showing the map of what path did gun devil took, even thought it sends you to the website to make it, it doesnt provides the already made map with the 32190 kilometers path the gun devil supposedly took: https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm# (i asked DMUA, the guy who made the calc and said that it indeed doesnt work, he doesnt remember it because it was 7 years ago so i would need to remade it myself, idk how specifically did he made the map)
but besides that, theres problems with inconsistencies on how to calculate the feat, but before that, ill make a section of the feat on detail, the info it gives that can be helpful to calculate, if you already know the feat in detail then skip it
FEAT DETAILS AND SCANS:
all scans from chapter 13 of chainsawman, you can also see them on a summary with also these scans on imgur :
(Chapter 13, Gun devil time hitting japan and deaths in it)
(Chapter 13, Time gun devil was hitting every country, with its deaths too, all the countries time actually sum up to 421,4 seconds (7 minutes) this will be important later)
(Chapter 13, makimas statement about the gun devil killing all those 1,2 million people in the span of 5 minutes, this was the frame for the calc)
just by reading this you get the whole context of the calc, in 5 minutes (7 minutes if you add all the countries time) gun devil killed people in 8 different countries, were he must have needed to travel across ocean too reach those countries
INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE CALC
1) the time it took gun devil to travell across the world :
makima says they were 5 minutes, but if you sum every countries time (like soviet union being 210 seconds and japan 26 seconds) you get 421,4 seconds, thats about 7 minutes, thats without taking into account any time were the gun devil was in the ocean, like went he went from north america to asia, you may say makima lowballed the 7 minutes to 5 minutes, if thats so then it cannot be 8 minutes if accounting the time he was in the ocean as thats more closer to an highball of 10 minutes
2) the time he ´´was in each country´´ related to their size:
he was 210 seconds in the soviet union (the biggest of those countries) while only 2 seconds in mexico (a mid size country), the soviet union and mexico didnt had that massive size difference, according to these times gun devil must have been going in circles in the soviet union while in mexico he was such a short time that maybe he just hit it from close to the united states to mexico borders
3) MOST IMPORTANTLY gun devil is shown later on in chapter 76 (a chapter released a whole year after the calc was made) that he has a 500 kilometers range with his guns to kill people within it:
(as you can see in the image, makima saw 20% gun devil from 500 kilometers away, the gun devil, from the distance in a wooden area, was shooting at her with his guns, theres even a calc on 20% gun devils shots speed with his attack range: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FuriousFieryFist/The_Gun_Devil_Shoots_His_Guns )
this means that, with his at least 500 kilometers attack range, he could have shoot and kill people within some countries from the distance without physically being within some of those countries, like he gunning canada or mexico from the united states, or casually while going in the ocean gunning at hawaii, same thing for every country next to another
(makima says in chapter 13 that the gun devil was moving so fast across the world that pieces of his body has melted down, this is important)
later on, in chapter 73 makima says that gun devil was secretely killed some time ago, and its body parts where shared across the world by nations and devils by the following percentages:
the ownership of gun devil is mostly owned by china, the soviet union and america (59 all by them), the strongest military forces at the time
but whats important, she specifically says that 37% of gun devil its divided into flesh pieces that devils across the world own, its easy to guess (yet idk if its fully guaranteed) those 37% are all from when he travelled across the world killing people, in his 5 minutes rampage, and not from when he was secretely defeated
the other 63% owned across nations would mostly come from when gun devil was defeated in secret
thought makima said 37% was owned by devils when he said to aki, with how in early part 1 they were searching gun devil parts, its likely that the gun devil lost more than 37% of its body across the world in his rampage, lets say 50% of it, then years later nations have stolen gun devil parts to devils or collecting any gun devil parts left in the ground from the original rampage from 1984, but most of what they own is after gun devil was beaten, and attempting to steal parts to other nations, after all that stealing to other nation and devils, humans now own 63% of gun devil
parts of gun devil being left across the world from his rampage does supports that he did at least travells across most countries instead of gunning from the distance, but this depends on lore debates
CONCLUSION: its hard to calculate the feat, but if at least considering gun devils long attack range, he could have been gunning multiple (at most 2 or 3) countries at the same time, reducing the time of 421,4 seconds to those 5 minutes makima said, that would let the 5 minutes frame stay
but that also means he wasnt in all of those countries individually, some gunning from the distance, that would change the map path to likely be shorter than DMUA 32190 kilometers one
im pretty sure the feat can still be guessed to be massively hypersonic (mach 100-1000) as gun devil still likely has to travell across the ocean to hit the asian or north american countries at high speeds to still be in the 5 minutes frame
if we let the 5 minutes frame stay, gun devil would need to travel at least 10300 kilometers in those 5 minutes to be massively hypersonic, thats the distance of anywhere n the middle of the united states to japan (For reference)
thought that also guess that gun devil was going at the same speed all the time
what do you all think? i will do a voting in the thread, just edit and put voters name in it (idk how else to do it), anything that happens tp the speed calc affects the AP calc by elajruengies so its for both
i made another path within china in the blog i shared earlier
EDIT 1; i made a many edits within this thread til january 16, changing it to also share the Imgur summary and my blog, and make it shorter
the arguments and scans didnt change much tho
EDIT 2: voting system with the people who said a recalc is needed and waiting for staff members vote
Recalc the Feat:
Non Staff (4): Sammy818, Anonymous_Learner, Qurbonboev, Bimbitesthedust
Staff (0):
Leave the Feat values as it is (No Recalc)
Non Staff(0):
Staff (0):
About my Recalc and My Current Map, Qurbonboes Agrees more with my other Map about Gun Devil going within india then getting out from the west to come back to china, but at least personally i dont agree with it anymore
Bimbitesthedust is unsure of which of the tree Maps i shared in this thread he agrees more with
Staff Votes (separated from wether they vote on that a Recalc is needed or not)
Accept this Map for the recalc and the values it gives (0):
Reject that Map and it values (0):
Link to My blog that explains all the arguments of here and give a recalc for it that is specifically about his path within china:
back then in april 2019, user DMUA made a speed calc for gun devil travelling across the world in chapter 13 of chainsawman, the calc was made when chainsawman was barely starting katana man story arc, before gun devil came back in chapter 75
his calc is here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lot_of_stuff#The_Gun_Devil_goes_Mr._Worldwide
besides this 100% gun devil speed calc, DMUA gun devil speed calc was used by elajruengies to calc his AP from his speed and weight, which is another accepted calc, if the speed calc by DMUA changes then the AP one too: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ainsaw_Man:_Slight_ReCalcs_3-_Gun_Devil_Drift
about DMUA calc, it has problems with the links the calc provides
the link showing the feat doesnt work: https://s8.mkklcdnv8.com/************/i2/ix917953/chapter_13_the_gun_devil/12.jpg but its clearly refers to chapter 13 when gun devil destroyed many countries and also aki hayakawa´s house
and the link showing the map of what path did gun devil took, even thought it sends you to the website to make it, it doesnt provides the already made map with the 32190 kilometers path the gun devil supposedly took: https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm# (i asked DMUA, the guy who made the calc and said that it indeed doesnt work, he doesnt remember it because it was 7 years ago so i would need to remade it myself, idk how specifically did he made the map)
but besides that, theres problems with inconsistencies on how to calculate the feat, but before that, ill make a section of the feat on detail, the info it gives that can be helpful to calculate, if you already know the feat in detail then skip it
FEAT DETAILS AND SCANS:
all scans from chapter 13 of chainsawman, you can also see them on a summary with also these scans on imgur :
(Chapter 13, Gun devil time hitting japan and deaths in it)
(Chapter 13, Time gun devil was hitting every country, with its deaths too, all the countries time actually sum up to 421,4 seconds (7 minutes) this will be important later)
(Chapter 13, makimas statement about the gun devil killing all those 1,2 million people in the span of 5 minutes, this was the frame for the calc)
just by reading this you get the whole context of the calc, in 5 minutes (7 minutes if you add all the countries time) gun devil killed people in 8 different countries, were he must have needed to travel across ocean too reach those countries
INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE CALC
1) the time it took gun devil to travell across the world :
makima says they were 5 minutes, but if you sum every countries time (like soviet union being 210 seconds and japan 26 seconds) you get 421,4 seconds, thats about 7 minutes, thats without taking into account any time were the gun devil was in the ocean, like went he went from north america to asia, you may say makima lowballed the 7 minutes to 5 minutes, if thats so then it cannot be 8 minutes if accounting the time he was in the ocean as thats more closer to an highball of 10 minutes
2) the time he ´´was in each country´´ related to their size:
he was 210 seconds in the soviet union (the biggest of those countries) while only 2 seconds in mexico (a mid size country), the soviet union and mexico didnt had that massive size difference, according to these times gun devil must have been going in circles in the soviet union while in mexico he was such a short time that maybe he just hit it from close to the united states to mexico borders
3) MOST IMPORTANTLY gun devil is shown later on in chapter 76 (a chapter released a whole year after the calc was made) that he has a 500 kilometers range with his guns to kill people within it:
(as you can see in the image, makima saw 20% gun devil from 500 kilometers away, the gun devil, from the distance in a wooden area, was shooting at her with his guns, theres even a calc on 20% gun devils shots speed with his attack range: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FuriousFieryFist/The_Gun_Devil_Shoots_His_Guns )
this means that, with his at least 500 kilometers attack range, he could have shoot and kill people within some countries from the distance without physically being within some of those countries, like he gunning canada or mexico from the united states, or casually while going in the ocean gunning at hawaii, same thing for every country next to another
(makima says in chapter 13 that the gun devil was moving so fast across the world that pieces of his body has melted down, this is important)
later on, in chapter 73 makima says that gun devil was secretely killed some time ago, and its body parts where shared across the world by nations and devils by the following percentages:
the ownership of gun devil is mostly owned by china, the soviet union and america (59 all by them), the strongest military forces at the time
but whats important, she specifically says that 37% of gun devil its divided into flesh pieces that devils across the world own, its easy to guess (yet idk if its fully guaranteed) those 37% are all from when he travelled across the world killing people, in his 5 minutes rampage, and not from when he was secretely defeated
the other 63% owned across nations would mostly come from when gun devil was defeated in secret
thought makima said 37% was owned by devils when he said to aki, with how in early part 1 they were searching gun devil parts, its likely that the gun devil lost more than 37% of its body across the world in his rampage, lets say 50% of it, then years later nations have stolen gun devil parts to devils or collecting any gun devil parts left in the ground from the original rampage from 1984, but most of what they own is after gun devil was beaten, and attempting to steal parts to other nations, after all that stealing to other nation and devils, humans now own 63% of gun devil
parts of gun devil being left across the world from his rampage does supports that he did at least travells across most countries instead of gunning from the distance, but this depends on lore debates
CONCLUSION: its hard to calculate the feat, but if at least considering gun devils long attack range, he could have been gunning multiple (at most 2 or 3) countries at the same time, reducing the time of 421,4 seconds to those 5 minutes makima said, that would let the 5 minutes frame stay
but that also means he wasnt in all of those countries individually, some gunning from the distance, that would change the map path to likely be shorter than DMUA 32190 kilometers one
im pretty sure the feat can still be guessed to be massively hypersonic (mach 100-1000) as gun devil still likely has to travell across the ocean to hit the asian or north american countries at high speeds to still be in the 5 minutes frame
if we let the 5 minutes frame stay, gun devil would need to travel at least 10300 kilometers in those 5 minutes to be massively hypersonic, thats the distance of anywhere n the middle of the united states to japan (For reference)
thought that also guess that gun devil was going at the same speed all the time
what do you all think? i will do a voting in the thread, just edit and put voters name in it (idk how else to do it), anything that happens tp the speed calc affects the AP calc by elajruengies so its for both
i made another path within china in the blog i shared earlier
EDIT 1; i made a many edits within this thread til january 16, changing it to also share the Imgur summary and my blog, and make it shorter
the arguments and scans didnt change much tho
EDIT 2: voting system with the people who said a recalc is needed and waiting for staff members vote
Recalc the Feat:
Non Staff (4): Sammy818, Anonymous_Learner, Qurbonboev, Bimbitesthedust
Staff (0):
Leave the Feat values as it is (No Recalc)
Non Staff(0):
Staff (0):
About my Recalc and My Current Map, Qurbonboes Agrees more with my other Map about Gun Devil going within india then getting out from the west to come back to china, but at least personally i dont agree with it anymore
Bimbitesthedust is unsure of which of the tree Maps i shared in this thread he agrees more with
Staff Votes (separated from wether they vote on that a Recalc is needed or not)
Accept this Map for the recalc and the values it gives (0):
Reject that Map and it values (0):
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