Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[Puppet43]

The game have always treated her as Time

Can we remind u that Title do not scale? or we get 4C Narwhal, also the fact that shades do not being called by their name, thats why the make up titles and invented names?

 

[Puppet43]

Well, even though they ride a spaceship, so the spaceship has Infinite Speed lmao.

Sahl for u to get infinite speed for traveling trought something infinite in size, u would need to go beyond the infinite
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Here an example, we have an infinite size street (Deku upscale)

• A infinite speed character could go from the start up to the end of the street
• A below infinite speed character would just travel the infinite street forever, they can walk all they want, they wont be able to finish the infinite street

Traversing a infinite universe in small ammount of time would be FTL - MFTL+ at best

 

[MSahla]

Spoiler: Tsaritsa

[140] A sacred bloodline, the meaning of which is unknown. Emperor Monomakh laid claim to the title "lord of all fae," and as such, he should have been of the same blood as the other fairies. It would seem that he merely used phrase as a means to establish legitimacy....The first year of the 799th Cycle. In the fourth month of this year, Anastasya Feodorovna was crowned Tsaritsa of all Snezhnaya. Many of the fae princes did not come unto Snezhnograd to seek an audience with her. The Dalegrad clan broke ties with Snezhnograd, for Emperor Monomakh had passed away.In the second year of the 799th Cycle, the humans of Port Belovodye, taking advantage of Emperor Monomakh's demise, declared self-governance in the winter, rebelling against the fae princes. Grand Duke Drevogorye launched an assault against them, but failed to secure victory.In the third year of the 799th Cycle, Tsaritsa Anastasya deployed troops to attack the forces of the independent government, occupying the territory of the Drevogorye, Volkhovan, and Cirnareka clans along the way. Charging them with negligence and condoning rebellion, their princely titles as rulers of these territories were revoked, their positions taken over by non-hereditary officials. Unlike Emperor Monomakh, she did not muster the Druzhna, but rather established a force known as the Fatui. It was they who conquered the lands of the fae princes. Grand Duke Drevogorye accused the Tsaritsa herself of treason, and met the Fatui with his own forces, and there he perished. On the tenth day of the third month, the Tsaritsa dispatched envoys to Port Belovodye. They calmed the separatist forces and requested that they hand over the instigators of the rebellion, promising amnesty to all others. The request was accepted, and thus did the port escape being leveled. On the twenty-third day of that same month, she then sent emissaries to all the fae princes who had not yet come to seek an audience with her. She demanded they hand over all their authority, promising that they would retain their honorary titles as aristocracy. Many would pass on before they could make their replies, and those who remained acceded. Thus did Tsaritsa Anastasya take control of the north.In the fourth year of the 799th Cycle, the Tsaritsa bade the Fatui build a new fortress near Snezhnograd. Its name would be Glupov, meaning "the city of fools."The fifth year of the 799th Cycle.In the sixth year of the 799th Cycle, the Tsaritsa established the Snezhnograd Veche to handle the administrative issues caused by the absence of the various princes. The human, Ioanna Ivanovna, was appointed its first chairperson.In the seventh year of the 799th Cycle, the Imperial Order Reformation Edict was published. A great many princely fae, deeply grateful for the Tsaritsa's mercy and virtue, voluntarily forsook their noble titles and departed Snezhnaya.

 

[AsterReal]

Spoiler: Columbina

Columbina and things about the Moons.

 

[Puppet43]

Btw my pfp and Gianny's is accurate

Spoiler: 6.3

They were ragebaiting each other in that restaurant date

 

[MSahla]

She definitely is, it is plenty of times confirmed by dottore and others that he is shade level or even above it and columbina scales to him.

So H.P>Nibelung >Columbina >=Shades>Rerir

Based on? Nicole has made it clear that three moons power are nowhere near strong enough to challenge HP, that includes the shades.

Like bruh, Even the Frostmoon Scions pray to Istaroth so that Istaroth protects the 4 moons.

 

[AsterReal]

Spoiler: Columbina

Columbina and things about the Moons.

Spoiler: Frost Moon

Apparently, Frostmoon will return to Teyvat, and Columbina will be able to live without being rejected by the world.

 

[MSahla]

Can we remind u that Title do not scale? or we get 4C Narwhal, also the fact that shades do not being called by their name, thats why the make up titles and invented names?

That's not just merely a title, they already explain her essence being time itself, and they even more confirming her being Time itself recently

Sahl for u to get infinite speed for traveling trought something infinite in size, u would need to go beyond the infinite

Here an example, we have an infinite size street (Deku upscale)

• A infinite speed character could go from the start up to the end of the street
• A below infinite speed character would just travel the infinite street forever, they can walk all they want, they wont be able to finish the infinite street

Traversing a infinite universe in small ammount of time would be FTL - MFTL+ at best

They literally traveled through infinite distances

 

[Puppet43]

Surtalogi = Literally a sinner and a transcendent being, literally knowledgeable about the world.

Surta aint knowledgeable about this kinda of stuff (Or at least i dont renember his character being asking for this stuff)?

That's not necessarily how it works, you can create or become the embodiment of something without predating that something you embodies. Embodiment is merely an avatar of something/concepts.

Think of like the Logia Type Devil Fruit user from One Piece, once they eat their devil fruit, they become the embodiment of it. Like Kizaru is Light itself, Crocodile is Sand itself, and so on.

I think we got confussed, there are 2 types of embodiments (or 2 meanings of the world)

• U either embodid a concept and create said concept with ur existence (Some legendary pokemons)
• U are an avatar of said shi

If its the second then yes, i agree Shades and other characters (Like some Archons) are the avatar of x

Pfftt, yet he's still a 3-D existence, still constrained by Causality. "Branches of Time" describes narrative causality and fate, not dimensional physics.

Same stuff in ur god damn book

 

[Puppet43]

They literally traveled through infinite distances

Most of the type this kind of statments
"Travel trough infinite distances"
Is just a way to say "He travel a lot"

 

[AsterReal]

This discussion seems like a novel. And it's entertaining, I won't lie.

 

[Puppet43]

Btw some thing i found in the leaks related to powerscaling or i found funny

Spoiler: 6.3 Leaks

• Columbina asking Trav to brush her hair (AEBINA CANON)
• Columbina being the first person Traveler talk to, upon arriving in Teyvat (Apparently Traveler Skin quest?, AEBINA ARE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS SHIP)
• Columbina being scared of Neuvi
• Columbina voice line about the Archons (IT CHANGES EVERYTHING)
• The statment of Arle about his power far exceeds all of ours combined is made when Traveler dissapears
• Paimon : He(She) might be the strongest person Paimon knows, but he(she)'s still human. He(She) feels pain and bleeds just like anyone else... (Paimon saying Traveler upscales any human we meet, this includes Xbalanque, Mavuika, Capitano, Nefer, Varka WE ARE THE STRONGEST)
• Dottore and Traveler glazing each other for the sake of fun, and then proceed to ragebait the other
• Dottore talks about Shades
• Marionette : The primordial power that differentiated itself from the void... The power of light. Yes, "light."
• The Knave : I tell everyone who asks that once crossed swords with Rex Lapis while serving as a key supporter for Rosalyne's plan... But right now, you're acting like a common adventurer. (Arle = Zhongli)
• Canon: Later, we discovered that this great ruler of the firmament bore an almost paranoid hostility toward the desire of certain life forms to seek power... Or perhaps they feared them. (Phanes being a scared cat, fraud)
• Creepus murder was planned by Dottore
• Rerir is chill with Columbina and ask him to tell an afterimage of Tholindis (confirmed dead) that he couldn't save her :c
• Dottore brought Rerir back to life
• Zhongli can make copys of himself to train (Clone jutsu)

Spoiler: Dottore & Trav interactions

Dottore glazing Trav

The Doctor : You performed well in that recent battle. Brave and reckless, as always.
The Doctor : Courage is the sign of a true hero, and impulsiveness is the hallmark of those who strive to advance. I say this not to belittle you — most creatures are far more timid by comparison.

Traveler glazing Dottore

Traveler : If it's not, then why haven't you killed me yet? No one can stop you if you're as powerful as a god.

Trav and Dottore ragebaiting the other

The Doctor : People laud you as a hero, but I suspect there's more to it than that. Oh — but to be clear, I don't say that to flatter you.
Traveler : Do you always give your opponent an appraisal before you deal the final blow?
The Doctor : Call it a long-time habit. I'm a researcher, and one of my duties is to give an objective assessment of my subjects.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Based on? Nicole has made it clear that three moons power are nowhere near strong enough to challenge HP, that includes the shades.

Like bruh, Even the Frostmoon Scions pray to Istaroth so that Istaroth protects the 4 moons.

That doesn't include the shades, They were clearly referring to phanes within the context and not the shades since a singularity destroyed them.

The shades aren't equal in stats, this is confirmed in Gods limit
H.P have been numerous times been used to refer phanes and not the shades specifically
Dottore himself stated he surpassed the shades
Columbina themesong confirms it
Lauma also confirms it

Where do you get that every time h.p is mentioned it must conclude the shades? Asmoday role is literally sustainer of the heavenly principles lol. Rhine literally said that the heavenly principles is asleep, by your logic all shades are asleep.

 

[MSahla]

Surta aint knowledgeable about this kinda of stuff (Or at least i dont renember his character being asking for this stuff)?

Yes he is? Why wouldn't he? He's a sinner who knows shit.

I think we got confussed, there are 2 types of embodiments (or 2 meanings of the world)

• U either embodid a concept and create said concept with ur existence (Some legendary pokemons)
• U are an avatar of said shi

If its the second then yes, i agree Shades and other characters (Like some Archons) are the avatar of x

Theres no two types of embodiments, that's just your thing. The Shades are the embodiments those metaphysical aspects, and therefore they're those concepts itself.

Most of the type this kind of statments
"Travel trough infinite distances"
Is just a way to say "He travel a lot"

Holy coping. Yeah, you're just being denial atp buddy, you just don't want shit to be true.

 

[MSahla]

That doesn't include the shades, They were clearly referring to phanes within the context and not the shades since a singularity destroyed them.

None of those things confirms it, even that lyrics.

The Shades are the emanations of Phanes, A projections of Phanes itself (confirmed by Ronova), they're just one level below Phanes because of Hierarchy. If the Moons are really equal to the shades, then Nibelung would've been rivaled Phanes, yet he didn't.

The Four Shades are not separate beings standing next to Heavenly Principles (as the emanations), they are how Heavenly Principles exists in structured reality. But they're a different people "ontologically".

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

None of those things confirms it, even that lyrics.

They literally do, It literally confirms he surpassed them

The Shades are the emanations of Phanes, A projections of Phanes itself (confirmed by Ronova), they're just one level below Phanes because of Hierarchy

okay but they arent the H.P themselves that title is exclusively used for phanes. Plus Archon Quest confirms H.P granted the shades power.

. If the Moons are really equal to the shades, then Nibelung would've been rivaled Phanes, yet he didn't.

Dude what logic is this? Nibelung isn't equal to the H.P even if moongoddess were on par with the shades, he would lose to Phanes.

The Four Shades are not separate beings standing next to Heavenly Principles (as the emanations), they are how Heavenly Principles exists in structured reality. But they're a different people "ontologically".

And yet they are never referred as H.P in the game unless you can show me that. They were even created as powerless prior to h.p granting them powers lol.

 

[Puppet43]

Dottore himself stated he surpassed the shades
Columbina themesong confirms it

This has never happend, they just said he reached the lvl of a god, could be perfectly moon god lvl since yk, he has 3 moons inside

Theres no two types of embodiments

Trust me, i found both descriptions in multiple disscutions and wikis about powerscaling

Holy coping.

Go ahead and ask any mod. They gonna say something similar to me

 

[MSahla]

They literally do, It literally confirms he surpassed them

They didn't.
HP's power includes the Four Shades.

okay but they arent the H.P themselves that title is exclusively used for phanes.

Because they either didn't know the name or they just scared to say Phanes' name.

Dude what logic is this? Nibelung isn't equal to the H.P even if moongoddess were on par with the shades, he would lose to Phanes.

Yeah, why? Because Phanes' powers includes the Four Shades' power.
And you really want to compare a universal scale (four shades) and planetary scale (3 moons) ??
Their "governing" are not even comparable in scope.

They were even created as powerless prior to h.p granting them powers lol.

Stated absolutely nowhere. Istaroth have already and always existed even before she was created because she's Time itself since the beginning.

 

[MSahla]

Go ahead and ask any mod. They gonna say something similar to me

The statement is already blantant, how can that even false?

 

[MSahla]

If you really think 3 Moons are comparable or stronger than the shades, you're just huffing the copium of the highest caliber, because even with the three moons powers, Columbina can't even revived Sandrone who's just a robot.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

They didn't.
HP's power includes the Four Shades.

And he granted them these powers lol

Because they either didn't know the name or they just scared to say Phanes' name.

Bro how can an angel, dragon even the shades themselves not know the difference between H.P and a shade.

Ronova is very clear that she is a shade and not H.P himself. Asmoday role is literally sustainer of what? The heavenly principles lol

Yeah, why? Because Phanes' powers includes the Four Shades' power.
And you really want to compare a universal scale (four shades) and planetary scale (3 moons) ??

Universal range =/= Universal in ap. Moon goddesses are superior in ap.

Their "governing" are not even comparable in scope.

So? Their power is more than enough to match a shade? Care to show me a shade having the same destruction capacity as the moons goddesses have?

Stated absolutely nowhere. Istaroth have already and always existed even before she was created because she's Time itself since the beginning.

Spoiler

The Doctor: These four divisions anchor the world and shackle those who live in it. But they themselves transcend its boundaries, squandering the power bestowed by the heavens.

Spoiler

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

If you really think 3 Moons are comparable or stronger than the shades, you're just huffing the copium of the highest caliber, because even with the three moons powers, Columbina can't even revived Sandrone who's just a robot.

And care to show me Istaroth doing the same then? Reviving a dead character

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

@Sahlwrld
I also find it funny how you mentioned the Universal influence of the shades yet they fought 40 years characters whom influence are bound to teyvat.

So why is this an argument when the sovereigns who doesn't even govern on an universal scope are comparable to the shades?

 

[AsterReal]

If you really think 3 Moons are comparable or stronger than the shades, you're just huffing the copium of the highest caliber, because even with the three moons powers, Columbina can't even revived Sandrone who's just a robot.

Columbina's humility is surprising. If I were the one in control of those moons, I would reshape the world on a whim.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Columbina's humility is surprising. If I were the one in control of those moons, I would reshape the world on a whim.

Fr she literally have the power to reshap teyvat lmao

 

[AsterReal]

And care to show me Istaroth doing the same then? Reviving a dead character

Ronova did it with the first pyro archon. Since she is the Ruler of Death. Why would the Ruler of Time have the power to resurrect someone?

 

[MSahla]

Ronova is very clear that she is a shade and not H.P himself.

Shade/Emanation/Projection "OF ITSELF"

Asmoday role is literally sustainer of what? The heavenly principles lol

Duh? The sustainer of Heavenly Principles is just like all of the four shades job at this poin because they're the closest thing to Phanes.

Universal range =/= Universal in ap. Moon goddesses are superior in ap.

?
What AP lmao

So? Their power is more than enough to match a shade? Care to show me a shade having the same destruction capacity as the moons goddesses have?

Sure. you have Istaroth who's Time itself, the one who created all moments in the universe.

And this is basically what she is According to this wiki's FAQ about Temporal Dimension, she automatically get Low 2-C AP.

The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.

Spoiler

The Doctor: These four divisions anchor the world and shackle those who live in it. But they themselves transcend its boundaries, squandering the power bestowed by the heavens.

Spoiler

?
All i see is him referring to the four metaphysical aspects (Life, Death, Time and Space) that bestowed by the Heavens, the heavens is always referring to the celestial gods which is the Four Shades and Heavenly Principles.

And care to show me Istaroth doing the same then? Reviving a dead character

Pfftt, Reviving a dead character is not Istaroth's thing, that's Ronova's thing (which Three Moons could never, Ronova > 3 Moons). But, that doesn't mean Istaroth aren't involved in this, because she's the one who create the "moment" of everything.

I also find it funny how you mentioned the Universal influence of the shades yet they fought 40 years characters whom influence are bound to teyvat.

So why is this an argument when the sovereigns who doesn't even govern on an universal scope are comparable to the shades?

That's just an Upscale for the Sovereigns, lmao, that does not downscale the shades whatsoever.

 

[MSahla]

yep.. I am skipping 6.4 and 6.5 just for Nicole

 

[AsterReal]

I don't remember if anyone has already posted this image. But the traveler's ship is on the moon. Which means that he and Columbina can "breathe" in space.

 

[MSahla]

I don't remember if anyone has already posted this image. But the traveler's ship is on the moon. Which means that he and Columbina can "breathe" in space.

Yes, I already posted this. I mean, Columbina obviously have Space Survival because she can live on the moon, her trailer alone is proving that.

 

[AsterReal]

Okay. So, a new skill for the traveler and Columbina.

 

[AsterReal]

I was looking for something interesting in the spoilers, but so far we've already discussed everything that seems to be important. Did we discuss that apparently the Frost Moon can cross the false sky even though Dottore closed the crack he opened with the moons?

 

[MSahla]

I Did we discuss that apparently the Frost Moon can cross the false sky even though Dottore closed the crack he opened with the moons?

Yes i read that before, i just didn't sent it here.

 

[AsterReal]

I wonder if the power of the moons can open the sky under normal circumstances. Given that Teyvat's borders are currently "fragile," according to Alice. By the way, Dottore could have Type 2 immortality, according to a leak I read.

 

[MSahla]

I wonder if the power of the moons can open the sky under normal circumstances. Given that Teyvat's borders are currently "fragile," according to Alice. By the way, Dottore could have Type 2 immortality, according to a leak I read.

They should be capable of doing so, since they also have the power of Space. Dottore split the false sky with the three moons power, no?

 

[AsterReal]

They should be capable of doing so, since they also have the power of Space. Dottore split the false sky with the three moons power, no?

Yes, but Dottore opened the sky of Teyvat when the borders were fragile/weakened. My question is whether the power of the moons can open the borders of Teyvat if they are in their best condition.

 

[AsterReal]

And care to show me Istaroth doing the same then? Reviving a dead character

By the way. This should be enough for Columbina to have Reality Manipulation. The text is quite obvious with the part about "changing the world at will."

 

[MSahla]

After reading Zibai's lore, we know that the Ancient Civilization in Liyue was named "Lang-Gan".

So, these are the Ancient Civilizations from all Seven Nations

1. Mondstadt = Arcadia & Sal Vyndagnir
2. Liyue = Lang-Gan
3. Inazuma = Enkanomiya/Dephil Phyto
4. Sumeru = ???
5. Fontaine = Remuria
6. Natlan = Natlantea
7. Snezhnaya = Hyperborea

 

[AsterReal]

By the way. This should be enough for Columbina to have Reality Manipulation. The text is quite obvious with the part about "changing the world at will."

Spoiler: Tri-Lunar Convergence

• Reality Manipulation (After obtaining the power of the Three Moons, Columbina can change the world at will, both its rules and its appearance, on a mere whim)

 

[AsterReal]

After reading Zibai's lore, we know that the Ancient Civilization in Liyue was named "Lang-Gan".

So, these are the Ancient Civilizations from all Seven Nations

1. Mondstadt = Arcadia & Sal Vyndagnir
2. Liyue = Lang-Gan
3. Inazuma = Enkanomiya/Dephil Phyto
4. Sumeru = ???
5. Fontaine = Remuria
6. Natlan = Natlantea
7. Snezhnaya = Hyperborea

Phanes: What a pity. He proceeds to throw celestial pillars.